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Old 10-10-2011, 07:22 PM   #39181
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Yeah, he probably would love it, but it would be a "completely original opinion that he came to on his own terms", and not just simply him praising anything and everything Lucas does blindly without putting any independent thought into it. Because as we all know, the only "fans" that can be considered mindless followers are those who have issues with the PT and/or the changes to the OT.
I have never read anything positive or constructive from you. It's pretty sad when someone draws happyness only from ridicule. Im sorry for you...
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Old 10-10-2011, 07:24 PM   #39182
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After having watched Episodes I - III over the last weeks I've made it to "A New Hope" yesterday. Despite the dark areas and the scratchy sound it was really great. The film is still pretty impressive. Especially the Death Star and the trench battle still hold up to the prequels. I was amazed how much I see Shmi and Padme through Leias performance now. It shows how clever the prequels were constructed without being forced.

I have finally seen the much discussed R2/CGI-rock change in context and now it's obvious why it was done. The scene with R2 hiding from the Tusken Raiders and being discovered by Obi Wan is much more convincing now.
Ugh. You see Leia in Shmi and Padme's performances, not the other way around. Those two actresses 'may' have used Carrie Fisher's performance as a guide. Carefully contructed? Uh, yeah... about that...

You needed a rock in front of R2 to be convinced that the Tusken Raiders didn't see him? I always thought the Raiders probably wouldn't care about him and thus ignored him for the most part (afterall, he is the equivalent of a toaster in the Star Wars universe).

Wow, just wow. Anyway, glad you enjoyed ANH on blu.

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Old 10-10-2011, 07:27 PM   #39183
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When talking to yoda before they fight palps says that "vader will become stonger than both of them."

Didnt palps fear that vader would eventually bump him off too ?
Yup! Its is the way of the Sith to try and eventually kill their mentor. At least that is what is hinted at in the series. Plaguis killed by Sideous, Sideous telling Vader to kill Tyranus, and eventually Sideous being tossed into a 'chasm of pain' by Vader in Jedi. I left out Maul because the dude was pretty pointless in the grand scheme of things..lol. But you get the idea.
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Old 10-10-2011, 07:27 PM   #39184
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Shades of gray. Why does everyone jump to the most extreme edges of this argument instantly without pause for consideration?

There is a difference between liking or not caring about revisions on a case-by-case basis and what that gentleman is doing, which is trolling everyone for hundreds of pages by insinuating that his opinion is the only valid one and everyone else is some kind of mouthbreathing sheep who can't form their own opinion.

It's plain as day what 2-3 users here have been doing for most of this thread.
... but not you of course. As far as I know "trolling" is posting an opinion only to start an argument. I have seen Episode IV yeserday and simply posted some of my thoughts. I don't see how this is "trolling"! Are only certain opinions allowed in this thread?
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Old 10-10-2011, 07:36 PM   #39185
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I: 5/5
II: 4/5
III: 4/5
IV: 3/5
V: 4/5
VI: 5/5
Really?

I found the AQ of EP III extremely flat with very little use of the surround channels or LFE. I'd even go so far as to rate it below EP IV, which was better than previous DVD audio, but not what I would term impressive for a DTS-HD 6.1 mix.
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Old 10-10-2011, 07:37 PM   #39186
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I have never read anything positive or constructive from you. It's pretty sad when someone draws happyness only from ridicule. Im sorry for you...
I guess because you haven't been looking for it. After getting the BD's, I posted some toughts about some of what I had watched. There is a mixture of things that I like and things that I didn't care for:

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I haven't had the chance yet to sit down and watch any of the movies in full, but I did put in a few discs last night and skipped around to a few scenes to check a few things out.

ANH:

-The Greedo/Han shooting scene in ANH is MUCH better IMO. Not only do they shoot at almost the same time, but the new, shorter edit on that scene just looks a lot better. Basically when they cut to that shot where they both shoot, Han is already in the process of bobbing his head out of the way of Greedo's shot, and it doesn't look as bad as it did on the previous versions. As much as I would prefer it to just be Han shooting, the worst part about that scene IMO was just how bad that head-bob edit always looked. It is a big improvement here.

-I was disapointed to see that it's still pretty much the exact same CGI Jabba from 2004. While I agree with those who say that this scene just doesn't work for a number of reasons, I didn't expect it to be removed from the movie, so the most I was hoping for what for Jabba to look better. While the '04 version was a big improvement over the 1997 CGI version, the coloring of the '04 version is still all wrong and the CGI just looks very "flat" to me. For whatever reason there just doesn't seem to be as much "depth" to the way he looks as their should be. Supposedly this is supposed to me the same model used in TPM, but I checked out his appearance in that last night as well, and that still looks A LOT better to me. His coloring is correct, the animation and depth look much better. This scene could still use a lot of improvement. One unfortunate side effect of watching this scene in HD is seeing just how bad the edit of Han walking around Jabba and stepping on his tale looks. It was already awkward to begin with because originally he just walked straight around the human actor, but they digitially edited it to make it look like Hand goes up and down and he steps on and off of the tail, and it's a very choppy looking edit. But now on top of those issues, seeing it in HD, if you focus on Han as he walks over the tail, there's a few times where he goes from being in focus with decent detail to becoming really, really blurry and looking like he's been SUPER-DNRed, which is probably just a side effect of the digitla edit that they did on him in the first place years ago to make this special effect.

-Overall the lightsaber coloring during the scene where Luke is training on the Falcon is better and and somewhat more consistent. I would have still preferred if the FX had just been completely redone, but compared to the 2004 debacle, this is an improvement. The biggest inconsistency is that when we see Luke from one angle (with his right side facing the audience a bit more, and this being the angle during which at times we see Han and Obi Wan to the right side of the screen), the saber is a more blue-ish color. It's still not quite the right shade, but it's not a starck green anymore.... then when we see him from another angle (more so his left side facing us a big more, with us seeing more of the background behind him and the other side of the falcon away from Obi Wan and Han), his lightsaber has more of that white coloring to it, with a slight aqua colored glow around it. So, that is the biggest shift that I noticed, but otherwise the saber seems to be relatively consistent within each separate angle... it's just when comparing the two that the issue occurs, but it's not like the effect has ever quite looked right. I'm not defending the other color timing issues that still exist, and some residual effects of the 2004 coloring may still be present in the sabers, but this looked better to me.


-Then there's the scene with R2 hiding behind the new rocks. This looked better than I had thought it would. I'll admit that the question of "how did he get in there" is still a reasonable one, but it doesn't look bad to me. Even the inconsistency of him being behind those rocks and then when we see him later outside of there with the little cave or whatever still in the background but without the new CGI rocks, it wasn't that jarring. I can see where it wouldn't be totally obvious to the audience that what we are seeing was specifically his hiding place, and could possibly just be him from another angle with different rocks in the background. I'm not so much defending this inconsistency (because I do agree that they should have thought about this and made it consistent from the get-go), but it's not really one that I think is going to stand out that much unless you specifically know what you are looking for.

-It's interesting seeing what I assume to be unintended details on Vader's mask in this. Especially during the first scenes where he shows up at the start of the movie, when the camera is zoomed in on his face, you can really see some scratches and roughness on the mask which was likely a result of it's construction, and other minor flaws in the mask and helmet. Having also watched some parts of ROTJ (more on that below, and note I haven't checked out TESB at all yet, so I'm just comparing these 2 movies), I noticed how it looked smoother and shinier in ROTJ. So, some improvement occurred over the course of the OT.

ROTJ:

-Wicket's eyes for the most part are nice, though will take a little getting used to. A couple of times the blinking looked odd to me, but overall I can see the improvement.

-The lightsaber battle at the end looks a lot better. There are still a few minor coloring inconsistencies, but to me overall it looked pretty good. Maybe those with a more keen eye for this sort of thing will see more of a problem than I did, but overall it still looks good. One thing that I did notice (both in watching this disc and from previous stills that were posted) is that while they very much fixed the problem with that shot where Vader and Luke cross their sabers in front of the Emperor, if you take a close look at Luke's saber-blade, towards the bottom of it in that shot, some of the white core still has some green coloring to it. It's as if they went to fix it but didn't quite go down far enough. Really not a big deal, but just something I happened to notice.

- I'm still not thrilled about the "noooo" at the end of the movie, but now that I've gotten used to it, it's not too bad. I do still find Obi Wan's new dragon call in ANH to be laughable, though.



TPM:

-The new Digital version of Yoda looks nice. I checked out a few scenes with him in it.

-I also, as stated earlier, checked out Jabba's brief appearance during the pod race scene, and he's still one of my favorite former-puppet-translated-to-CGI characters that I've seen out of the movies. I really, really wish they would do more to make ANH Jabba look more like that if we absolutely have to have that scene in ANH.

-I did notice the DNR in some scenes. For instance, when Qui Gon is talking to the council about training Anakin. But it's wasn't too terrible.

-I also checked out a bit of the lightsaber battle at the end, which overall looks nice, but there are a few spots where it's EASY to tell that they are on a green/blue screen and not in that actual location.



ROTS:

Not too much to say aside from it looking very good. I didn't really notice any changes in any of the scenes that I checked out. I mainly watched it for the PQ, mostly the lightsaber battle at the end.


I haven't checked out TESB or AOTC yet. I would have, but it was getting late and I was tired. I checked out ANH and ROTJ since they had the most changes of the OT movies, and TPM for largely the same reason for the PT. And of course ROTS for the PQ. Now I need to sit down and actually watch the movies from start to finish.
This also isn't the first time that I've pointed this out to you.



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... but not you of course. As far as I know "trolling" is posting an opinion only to start an argument. I have seen Episode IV yeserday and simply posted some of my thoughts. I don't see how this is "trolling"! Are only certain opinions allowed in this thread?
While your intentions here are suspect, it probably isn't quite trolling.


Trolling would be more like... I don't know.... say... somebody and their brother, both of whom regularly post on a certain message board, who completely disagree and hate the idea of someone making fan edits of someone else's movies, attempting to friend a certain person who makes fan edits on Facebook assuming that he won't know that they are the same people who post on said message board in order to post inflamatory messages on his wall, etc.
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Old 10-10-2011, 07:38 PM   #39187
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... but not you of course. As far as I know "trolling" is posting an opinion only to start an argument. I have seen Episode IV yeserday and simply posted some of my thoughts. I don't see how this is "trolling"! Are only certain opinions allowed in this thread?
LOL ok I have seen alot of your post and you like to bait people into arguments
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Old 10-10-2011, 07:40 PM   #39188
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LOL ok I have seen alot of your post and you like to bait people into arguments
ridiculous!
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Old 10-10-2011, 07:41 PM   #39189
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Trolling would be more like... Bla Bla Bla
Look at your Avatar picture!
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Old 10-10-2011, 07:44 PM   #39190
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Look at your Avatar picture!
Yeah, it's pretty freakin' sweet, isn't it?!

That still doesn't excuse the kind of crap that you were trying to pull (the stuff that you changed to "blah blah blah" when quoting me).

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Old 10-10-2011, 07:52 PM   #39191
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ridiculous!
Really Look below


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Yeah, it's pretty freakin' sweet, isn't it?!

That still doesn't excuse the kind of crap that you were trying to pull (the stuff that you changed to "blah blah blah" when quoting me).
Case Closed, Guilty as charged!
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:02 PM   #39192
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When talking to yoda before they fight palps says that "vader will become stonger than both of them."

Didnt palps fear that vader would eventually bump him off too ?
More than likely as the traditional Sith rule is that there can only be two Sith at a time because they keep betraying each other.

Anakin was already planning on betraying Sidious when he told Padmé they could both rule the galaxy instead.

I guess if Anakin got really powerful then Sidious would have to find a new apprentice and replace him - it just so happens that when Vader gets weak, Sidious focuses his attention on Luke as an able bodied apprentice.
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:09 PM   #39193
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Okay, I've had it with this poison! Dynamo and El Jay: on the ignore-list you go! Goodbye!
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:19 PM   #39194
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Okay, I've had it with this poison! Dynamo and El Jay: on the ignore-list you go! Goodbye!
Thank God, can we get back to talking about Star Wars now?
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Old 10-10-2011, 08:56 PM   #39195
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fanatic -a person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal

fan - an enthusiastic devotee, follower, or admirer
They're both fools if they think they're different from the other.
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While your intentions here are suspect, it probably isn't quite trolling.


Trolling would be more like... I don't know.... say... somebody and their brother, both of whom regularly post on a certain message board, who completely disagree and hate the idea of someone making fan edits of someone else's movies, attempting to friend a certain person who makes fan edits on Facebook assuming that he won't know that they are the same people who post on said message board in order to post inflamatory messages on his wall, etc.

Who would do that? That person or persons should be banned from here for doing that crap, Unstable people like that do not belong here. I would never take it to that level.
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:06 PM   #39197
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the Death Star and the trench battle still hold up to the prequels.
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Shades of gray. Why does everyone jump to the most extreme edges of this argument instantly without pause for consideration?

There is a difference between liking or not caring about revisions on a case-by-case basis and what that gentleman is doing, which is trolling everyone for hundreds of pages by insinuating that his opinion is the only valid one and everyone else is some kind of mouthbreathing sheep who can't form their own opinion.

It's plain as day what 2-3 users here have been doing for most of this thread.
True enough. I have a hard time following this thread because every hour or two, it's jumped another couple of pages. So I can't really say I know who has been doing what, so my response was based on what I was reading and not the full context of what cetain users have been like in this thread.
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Shades of gray. Why does everyone jump to the most extreme edges of this argument instantly without pause for consideration?

There is a difference between liking or not caring about revisions on a case-by-case basis and what that gentleman is doing, which is trolling everyone for hundreds of pages by insinuating that his opinion is the only valid one and everyone else is some kind of mouthbreathing sheep who can't form their own opinion.

It's plain as day what 2-3 users here have been doing for most of this thread.
Which is why it's best to not become engaged in those discussions. Nobody's going to change anyone else's mind. We all have our opinions on SW, Lucas, revisions, etc. If it's become quite clear what those few users are doing, why continue to fuel the fire? I put an equal amount of blame on people who let themselves become baited constantly.

This thread has been reduced to irrational extremes instead of allowing fruitful, moderate discussion of different opinions. I guess that's what happens when everyone is so passionate about these movies one way or another. But it's a shame any thoughtful criticism of the PT, SE changes, or blu-rays is so poorly received.

Now let's all have some Jawa Juice and chill out.
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Really?

I found the AQ of EP III extremely flat with very little use of the surround channels or LFE. I'd even go so far as to rate it below EP IV, which was better than previous DVD audio, but not what I would term impressive for a DTS-HD 6.1 mix.
I haven't had a problem with any of the movies, although PM did stand out as possibly the best sounding blu ray I've ever heard.

I played the movies at so loud though that I cant rate the quality at a lower volume.
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