Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[DarkDune]

Originally Posted by Red Pill 101

Can anyone help me out here...

A long time ago (in a galaxy... ) I read a post somewhere on this forum about Star Wars. It wasn't even in this thread, and was well before the Blus were announced.

This person had an interesting take/opinion that I had never read before:

It had to do with the conversation between Anakin and Palpatine in the 'opera' in Episode III and Darth Tyranus (-I know, probably wrong). I think it might have had some type of significance with Darth T and Anakin not having a father. It was a very long time ago that I read this, though.

Can anyone expand on thoughts/theories or point me in the direction of that post? I just remember thinking it was really interesting.

I'd love to read it again before I watch the Blus.

Thanks!

Shmi and Palpatine had a love-child. It was Anakin.

[Shallow_]

Originally Posted by AlexSing

I thought this kind of BS had been eradicated from this thread? You're not a Star Wars fan if you don't like the prequels? Give me a break. I'd loved the OT for 20yrs before the prequels came along. Are you even that old? This is the BLU RAY thread and people can talk about the PQ/AQ and quality of the films as much as they want without fear of abuse from the Star Wars Stazi.

Honestly this thread sometimes.

Oh, and it's sustain.

Originally Posted by Dino Last

I like the prequels, especially Revenge of the Sith which I like more than Jedi (Especially now, thanks for ruining my favourite scene George) but you can't say people who do not like the prequels are not Star Wars fans. What next, if you don't like the CGI show Clone Wars, you are not a Star Wars fan? or if you don't like the movie an Ewok Adventure you're not a Star Wars fan?

Originally Posted by Bukax42

What does it men being "fan"? Loving absolutely everything with SW logo on it?

I'm a fan of OT, it doesn't matter what I think about prequels and other SW things.

Originally Posted by Coov

And if one did not like Superman 3, 4 and Superman Returns, then obviously you are not a Superman fan.

Originally Posted by svenge

It doesn't take a division of the movies into trilogies to sustain disliking the prequels. The prequels' lack of quality does it for us!



And it also means that if you don't like "Highlander II: The Quickening", "Star Trek V", or "Batman and Robin" (other examples of unnecessary hideous sequels), you're not a fan of Highlander, Star Trek, or Batman

And before you even think of saying it's different because George Lucas made the prequels, the George Lucas of the mid/late 70s and the George Lucas of the mid-90s onwards are completely different people, if not legally then by almost any other measure.

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Do we really need to start this who is and isn't a "real fan" debate again? It never gets us anywhere and it just goes around in circles.

For many people, Star Wars was one thing for a good 20 years or so, then between the changes to the movies and the creation of the PT, in many respects it became another. Some took well to that, others didn't. It doesn't mean that they don't love what came originally, which is ultimately what made Star Wars the well-known franchise that it is today.

This may not apply to you specifically, Shallow_, but what I find funny is that many of the people who more or less defend Lucas at every turn, claim to love to Saga as a whole and look upon it as one big story and not as 2 separate trilogies, more often than not (whether it is explicitly or implicitly) tend to show more of a general preference towards the PT films. I can't help but find it very ironic that the people who claim that it's all one cohesive story and not 2 separate trilogies tend to show more of a preference for one "half" of that story (aka one trilogy) over the other, and then often go on the chastise those who only like the OT and don't care much for the PT. That's kind of like someone saying that they never drink milk, but they love cow-utter-juice.

So, I love Starwars. I have since I saw Ep 4 for the first time, and from then to 1999 those 3 were my all time favorite film. The following years I expanded my horizon, and since 2002 I have 6 favorite films. I like some of them better than others, but even the one I like the least is still a million times better than any other film ever made. Starwars-movies are the best ever for me, no contest(would probably score them from 10.000001-10.000006/10)

With this in mind, a Starwars thread should be a haven for me to post in. Where Starwars fans discuss what it is we love about the films, and how we look forward to the Bluray release. But thats not the thread I have seen when reading afew pages now and then.

I think I have yet to read one page where there are more positive things about Starwars than negative.. It should be us against the world, us against lotr-fanboys, us against any other movie trilogies/quadrilogies/whatnot fans. We should be defending Starwars agains all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Im sure there are more positive comments about Starwars in the lotr AND Startrek threads combined (if there are such threads )

For this reason I have not read all the previous 'I am a bigger fan' etc. discussions, and so am sorry I 'started' another one.

In my opinion the 3 newest additions to the Saga are 100% Starwars films. 100% true to the mythology and universe. I think they are 100% equal in amount of adult oriented content and content for children.
I think that 'growing up' is a bad thing in many respects. I say, if you outgrow something, you never really liked it enough to start with.

I think that is the problem with alot of the people who like the first 3 films but not the last 3. I believe they are unable to see that the latest films are 100% the same as the first and I think that the age difference plays a big part in it. This is not true for all cases ofcourse.

I think of myself as a fan of the Starwarsmovies, not everything Starwars. So just The films, the Posters/Teaser posters (prefer the 97 special edition posters for ep 4-6), and licenced prop replicas. I also enjoy the Clonewars etc, but games and expanded universe/fan fiction etc. does nothing for me.

When it comes to other movie franchises I cant really say what one should like and not, but that is not what I am doing with Starwars either even though some interpret it that way. I see alot of people who say they love Starwars but spend most of their time bashing it. For me thats just wrong.

I wrote one post where I made this comment, and then a 4 times longer post describing the HD audio on ep 1-3. Only one person was interested in that, and only wanted to know if the audio was 'bad'...


Sorry guys, but this, IN MY OPINION, is not Starwars fans discussing something they love... this is something else..

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

This may not apply to you specifically, Shallow_, but what I find funny is that many of the people who more or less defend Lucas at every turn, claim to love to Saga as a whole and look upon it as one big story and not as 2 separate trilogies, more often than not (whether it is explicitly or implicitly) tend to show more of a general preference towards the PT films. I can't help but find it very ironic that the people who claim that it's all one cohesive story and not 2 separate trilogies tend to show more of a preference for one "half" of that story (aka one trilogy) over the other, and then often go on the chastise those who only like the OT and don't care much for the PT. That's kind of like someone saying that they never drink milk, but they love cow-utter-juice.

For me, the explanation for this is simple. Lucas has taken what I fell in love with, the action, and multiplied the amount. More action/explosions/fighting/lightsabers/spaceships=More STARWARS

[Merlinpants]

Deleted, can't be bothered being ignored anymore. Give a good explanation that cannot be answered or argued and it is ignored. Kind of a trend in this thread to be honest.

[Red Pill 101]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

Shmi and Palpatine had a love-child. It was Anakin.

Don't think that was it...I remember it being a little deeper than that.

[Shallow_]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

Deleted, can't be bothered being ignored anymore. Give a good explanation that cannot be answered or argued and it is ignored. Kind of a trend in this thread to be honest.

Im sorry, which post(s) did I miss ? Had a lot of reading to catch up on after work

[MCT]

Its too bad you say SW EU does nothing for you, because Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2 for Xbox are more true to what makes Star Wars "Star Wars" than any of the three prequels. Bioware gets it.

[TylerDurden]

613 1 star reviews!
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Comp...owViewpoints=1

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by Red Pill 101

Don't think that was it...I remember it being a little deeper than that.

In the conversation, palpatine eluded to the fact that Darth Plageus taught him how to manipulate the midi whatsits to create life and prevent death. He eludes that he learnt how to create life from the midi whatits which tied into TPM when qui gon took mannequins reading to be higher than yoda's, as if the midi whatsits had created him themselves. Also Shmi said the conception was immaculate (no father) so the midi whatsits put him there, not palpatines sabre . That means Palpatine is like his father without the embarrasing bit that most Star Wars fans have no knowledge of anyway

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by Shallow_

Im sorry, which post(s) did I miss ? Had a lot of reading to catch up on after work

Look up, it quoted you directly, twice now

[JamesKurtovich]

After Vader says, "No," I expect it to end with, "George Lucas and your local movie theater would appreciate you shutting off cellphones for the feature presentation. Thank you!"

Reminds me of those ads.

[DarkDune]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

Shmi and Palpatine had a love-child. It was Anakin.

Originally Posted by Red Pill 101

Don't think that was it...I remember it being a little deeper than that.

Oh yeah, George said this though:

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[MrJoeKalel]

Originally Posted by killermike2178

The problem with this is, the end of Episode I, we hear the Imperial March/Darth Vader theme when Obi-Wan and Yoda are discussing Anakin's tumultuous future. So, if you watch Empire after it, you are already clued in to Anakin being Darth Vader. Watching it in this order, though, reminds me of watching LOST. Very tempting, but still, some problems with it.

Still, IMO, I don't think the connection can be made just because of the music, after all, Obi-Wan told us that Anakin was murdered by Darth Vader, of course, from his point of view.

Another thing to think about is how similar VI and I are in terms in content. Both have young protagonists that are new to 'the force', both feature mentors that die, both feature those young protagonists as 'heroes' in the end when they destroy the big ships (or "small moon" XD ), and both end in a celebration. Of course, more can be added to this, but you get the main idea.

I just feel that having II after the ending of V when the 'revelation' comes out, also fits very nicely.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

Deleted, can't be bothered being ignored anymore. Give a good explanation that cannot be answered or argued and it is ignored. Kind of a trend in this thread to be honest.

Dude, not every single post is going to get (or warrants) a response.

[Merlinpants]

Finally! Discs dispatched. C'mon you beauty!!!!!

Chordata, a good post never warrants a response, because it will leave no room for one. What annoys me is when the conversation goes on around it, and the whole point of the post was to try and stop the whole roundabout of drivel this thread has become. The person in question was directly quoted, and then carried on as if it had never happened as it didn't fit the argument. Parts of the post were then used by others as if they had come up with it and then directly quoted by the plaintiff LOL. That IS ANNOYING like 99% of this thread.

I bet no-one even clicked on the link to the video at the top showing how cool the special features are!

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/09/...ve-cloud-city/

[Shallow_]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

Examples:

The Godfather - 1 & 2 are cinema classics, 3 not
Die Hard - The law of diminshing returns applies until you reach 4 where we hope it stops
Jaws - Franchise cash in that has ended with the atrocious 4
James Bond - So many misses it defies logic including the latest
Alien - 1 & 2 are classics, 3 & 4 best forgotten but again reboot incoming
Spiderman - 1 & 2 great, 3 not, reboot coming
Batman (Burton era) - best not mentioned
Raiders of the lost ark - Wow, returns with KOCS and everyone wished it hadn't
Back to the future - Original is one of the greatest scripts ever written, but then meh
Blade - The original defied belief and sparked the current super hero franchises, 2 & 3 best forgotten
Lethal Weapon - Just wow, and then just well.......
Blues Brothers - Classic followed by made for TV
Ghostbusters - Greatest comedy ever, followed by greatest travesty
Mad Max - Need I say more?

Most of your examples here are clearly influenced by the 'rule' that all sequels suck, a rule which I dont follow

Godfather - yuck
Die Hard - Live Free or Die Hard is by far the best
Jaws - never got into the series
James Bond - Dont like any of the Sean Connerys, George L or Live and let die. Spy who loved me, A view To a kill and Goldeneye favs.
Alien - dont like Alien, Aliens and Alien3 favs.
Spiderman - First is too slow, should gotten into action much sooner. 2 better, 3 best.
Batman - Prefer the last 2, BB over TDK
Indy - Prefer Indy 3 and 4
Back 2 the future - Enjoy all, but always loved BTTF 3
Blade - Trinity is the best, with 2 second. all are fantastic though.
Lethal weapon - 2 and 3
Blues Brothers - not my cup of tea
Ghostbusters - hey, here I prefer the first
Mad max - never got properly into these either.

So I am clearly not in tune with the majority on this subject..

[DarkDune]

Hope you all enjoyed those quiz slides.

They were fun to make...

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by Shallow_

Most of your examples here are clearly influenced by the 'rule' that all sequels suck, a rule which I dont follow

Godfather - yuck
Die Hard - Live Free or Die Hard is by far the best
Jaws - never got into the series
James Bond - Dont like any of the Sean Connerys, George L og Live and let die.
Alien - dont like Alien, Aliens and Alien3 favs.
Spiderman - First is tioo slow, should gotten into action much sooner. 2 better, 3 best.
Batman - Prefer the last 2, BB over TDK
Indy - Prefer Indy 3 and 4
Back 2 the future - Enjoy all, but always loved BTTF 3
Blade - Trinity is the best, with 2 second. all are fantastic though.
Lethal weapon - 2 and 3
Blues Brothers - not my cup of tea
Ghostbusters - hey, here I prefer the first
Mad max - never got properly into these either.

So I am clearly not in tune with the majority on this subject..

Totally not the point! Films are a matter of personal taste. Being a fan is liking something, not everything. Godfather sequel acknowledged as better, Aliens better than Alien, ESB better than ANH. Not all sequels suck by a long margin!You even put Die Hard 4 above Die Hard??? Blade trinity above Blade??? You are arguing against yourself. Is there no hope for you? Your arguments are clouded and non-functional. Please stop them!

Case closed your honour, the plaintiff pleads insanity

Your choice in films smacks of baiting also, so please everyone lets move on!!!!! ....or could you be shallow by name, shallow by nature???

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

Deleted, can't be bothered being ignored anymore. Give a good explanation that cannot be answered or argued and it is ignored. Kind of a trend in this thread to be honest.

It was a post by a signature spammer. The site's spam filter took care of it .

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by Jesse757x

hypothetically speaking, if someone were to watch these for the first time, should they watch them in order of episode numbers or start with IV?

Hypothetically if a person never watched Star Wars (thus that person is certainly not a Star Wars fan, then there is no need for a non-Star Wars fan to watch the prequel video games. And if you find out that you do love 4-6, still don't watch the prequels):

If you are a child, watch 1-6.
If you are an adult, watch 4-6.

[BPutman]

Originally Posted by DarkDune

Hope you all enjoyed those quiz slides.

They were fun to make...

I enjoyed them. Good job!