Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

This is just nitpicking, honestly. You know what I meant by that. Scanning in the film itself is standard practice, using a decade old master used for Laserdisc, of all things, isn't. I think he just chose the worst versions available just to prove his point. Unless you believe the originals are really gone .

Those were the best available of the untouched original trilogy. The original negative is too far gone. He would have to restore them all over again to be presentable. The 1993 transfer was from an IP made in the '80s.

You do NOT use film prints.

[whbinder]

Originally Posted by aox

so, the purists don't want the originals. I see. Lucas gave you guys what you wanted. He didn't know he was supposed to tweak the sound and audio on 30 year old films for 21st century specifications.

??? So, I guess to answer the original question, you clearly don't know what anamorphic means.

What sound and audio tweaks are you talking about? What "tweaks" would you have to do to create an anamorphic transfer? Honestly, I'll repeat the question, do you know what anamorphic means? Or are you just arguing to argue? I have an anamorphic DVD of "My Fair Lady". Want to tell me what tweaks were made to that film?

Look, I'm not one of these "purists" you're talking about, but the request is a simple and reasonable one. Put the film as it was released in theaters with some minimal level of quality control.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

Honestly, who throws a shoe ?

I swear, it's not mine!

[whbinder]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Those were the best available of the untouched original trilogy. The original negative is too far gone. He would have to restore them all over again to be presentable. The 1993 transfer was from an IP made in the '80s.

You do NOT use film prints.

OK, see. That's a fair argument against an anamorphic DVD. I'm not one of the folks saying Lucas "must" do this. If that's the case, well fine. But let's not argue that wanting an anamorphic DVD is a terribly unusual request.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by whbinder

OK, see. That's a fair argument against an anamorphic DVD. I'm not one of the folks saying Lucas "must" do this. If that's the case, well fine. But let's not argue that wanting an anamorphic DVD is a terribly unusual request.

Of course an anamorphic DVD is preferable, but people seem to think Lucas was trying to screw them over.

I have a relative who's a purist and he was surprised that the 4x3 DVDs looked "decent"...he was a *huge* LaserDisc buff (he's the one who got me into it) and remarked that they did look better than the LDs. A lot of the LD analog artifacts: color noise, speckling, limited bandwidth, were removed.

[whbinder]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Of course an anamorphic DVD is preferable, but people seem to think Lucas was trying to screw them over.

I have a relative who's a purist and he was surprised that the 4x3 DVDs looked "decent"...he was a *huge* LaserDisc buff (he's the one who got me into it) and remarked that they did look better than the LDs.

I would agree with all of that. (I also have both and would tend to agree with your relative's assessment).

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Yes, but mono surround sound. Stereo surround did not happen until some test footage on Superman and then officially for 70mm prints of Apocalypse Now.

Fantasound.

Look it up.

[al cos.]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

I have a relative who's a purist and he was surprised that the 4x3 DVDs looked "decent"...he was a *huge* LaserDisc buff (he's the one who got me into it) and remarked that they did look better than the LDs.

Eh, it's not unreasonable to hold Lucasfilm to a higher standard than that, it's like something you'd hear in 1997 about Tango and Cash.

[Magicmonger]

Originally Posted by bpmford

We all know the prequil Trilogy will look much more crisp and new, while the original triligy will look gritty, grainy and a bit les sharp...

But I hold firm that that's okay, they aren't meant to look the same... as long a sLucas keeps each of them true to their time, then

Why will the originals look gritty, grainy and a bit less sharp?

HMMM maybe that was the point I was trying to make in an earlier post in this thread...

BAZINGA!

[radagast]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Well, shows what you know about video and transfers (as if we need more evidence).

Anamorphic DVDs are converted from 16x9 video masters, usually transferred in HD and downconverted to 480i.

The *original* (non-SE) Star Wars Trilogy did not have 16x9 masters. The last time it was transferred to NTSC digital masters at 4x3 in 1993 for LaserDisc. And it was from those the DVD "extras" were mastered. The next time the movies were transferred it was the Special Edition versions.

Getting the picture (so to speak) yet?

Even so, the original (non-SE) Star Wars trilogy was in widescreen. And that could have been digitally extracted, from the same source, to create an anamorphic version on DVD. New transfer? Yes, I suppose so. Sort of.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by whbinder

OK, see. That's a fair argument against an anamorphic DVD. I'm not one of the folks saying Lucas "must" do this. If that's the case, well fine. But let's not argue that wanting an anamorphic DVD is a terribly unusual request.

Nor should it be terribly hard to do for the wizards at Lucasfilms.

[bpmford]

LOL, don't know if I saw the earlier post!

Maybe less sharp, but maybe not, depends on how the work is done for their conversion.

I do think they will be grainy and gritty, just like the Godfather movies do, and other older titles do!!

Originally Posted by Magicmonger

Why will the originals look gritty, grainy and a bit less sharp?

HMMM maybe that was the point I was trying to make in an earlier post in this thread...

BAZINGA!

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by saprano

Have you guys seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz1L6...eature=related

This guys is funny.



EDIT- Oh, make sure you guys check out 8:25. LOL wow.

That guy certainly creates the most entairtaining movie reviews Ive ever watched. His critisims are sharp his voice is hilarious and his serial killer jokes are priceless. I don't agree with every critism he makes against the prequels (For example I like Attack of the Clones much more then The Phantom Menace and better than Return of the Jedi) but at the same time his critice hit the spot in so many ways

Heres how Id rate the saga by the way

The Phantom Menace - C+
Attack of the Clones - B
Revenge of the Sith - A
A New Hope - A
The Empire Strikes Back - A+
Return of the Jedi - B-

Oh and in case your wondering

Holiday Special - Z

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

of course, i'll be buying the ultimate collectors edition (should such a thing exist, and i'm sure it will)but, i'd also like to think with the capacity of blu ray that they could fit both versions of each movie on one disc making it a 6 disc set for movies plus say one blu ray just for all the extras. I would put all the extras for all movies on one blu-ray disc in 1080p & lossless audio too! that's what i would do. making it a 7 blu-ray disc set. that would be sweet with a special wrap around cover with art from all the movies from front to back. i would also put movie art sleves as page turners inside the case to show the artwork for each movie as you get to it so that it looks like multiple cases within a master case. don't forget to throw some collectable holographic cards in each case; oh yeah, you would get the complete set of cards with the ultimate edition to make people what to buy that one.

that's my dream, what's yours

Seamless branching: Yes, but the purists would cry foul again, since the SEs have a more modern look, so it'd probably be best to have separate discs for the SEditionT and OT.

I definitely want one bonus BD per Episode. One BD for all the extras would never be enough.

On a side note:

More votes please!

[kenkraly2004]

I am very excited that the Star Wars Flims are being worked on for a Blu-Ray release. I hope that for the original trilogy both the origianl and the special edtion's of Epiosodes 4, 5 and 6 are on blu-ray. Can't wait for all 6 star wars films to come out on blu-ray in the not too distant future.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

I am very excited that the Star Wars Flims are being worked on for a Blu-Ray release. I hope that for the original trilogy both the origianl and the special edtion's of Epiosodes 4, 5 and 6 are on blu-ray. Can't wait for all 6 star wars films to come out on blu-ray in the not too distant future.

So are we!

For your wishes on which version should be available, please vote on this thread:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-mo...ml#post3337553

Thanks.

[JTStarkiller]

I honestly don't care what the price is. If George released an entire box set with all six films (and the OT in both unaltered and SE formats), I'd be first in line. I love the SEs, so much that I do prefer them, but nothing would beat having both.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by JTStarkiller

I honestly don't care what the price is. If George released an entire box set with all six films (and the OT in both unaltered and SE formats), I'd be first in line. I love the SEs, so much that I do prefer them, but nothing would beat having both.

Can't argue with that!

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by radagast

Even so, the original (non-SE) Star Wars trilogy was in widescreen. And that could have been digitally extracted, from the same source, to create an anamorphic version on DVD. New transfer? Yes, I suppose so. Sort of.

That's not how it's done, what you're suggesting is doing a zoom and a upconvert basically. The 4x3 master is about DVD resolution to begin with, so the results would be even worse than what we got.

I can do the same with my BD player and TV with the discs.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

I voted for the Ultimate set. But in reality, I will likely buy most any configuration that they come in.

Though, there almost should be 3 versions of the original trilogy in this set. The original theatrical versions, The 1997 theatrically released Special Edition with all changes, edits, and effects exactly as they were in that release (and on the subsequent VHS release), and the new editions with whatever extra changes he is making beyond the ones already done to the 2004 DVD release (since there were flaws in the '04 release due to it being a rushed job, I don't consider those being a version worth preserving).

Realistically I realize that having 3 versions is even less likely than having 2 versions (the newest and the original) in the same package, and in all honesty I can live without the '97 versions, but given that they were special for the 20th anniversay, it would be nice to see them preserved as well.

Regardless, I don't think the varations between the versions could be handled with "seemless branching". Some things are so far changed that it would just be easier to give each verison it's own disc.



Now, I am not nearly as concerned about preserving specific versions of the prequel trilogy (because I don't care for those movies as much as I do the original trilogy), but one has to wonder if there will be options for more than 1version of the prequel films.

Yoda was mostly a puppet in Episode 1 (except for when we actually see him walking around, etc), but was completely CGI in Episodes 2 and 3. But, in one of the extra feature documentaries on the 2nd disc of the Episode 3 DVD release, they show that scene from Episode 1 where Yoda gives his speech "Fear leads to anger... anger leads to hate... hate leads to suffering" and the original Episode 1 puppet Yoda used in that scene was replaced with a CGI Yoda.

It stands to reason that we can expect to see this change, and probably more, to the prequel trilogy in the future Blu-Ray release. (Not to mention that the DVD release of Episode 1 has an extended Pod Race sequence with additional footage not seen in theaters... not that I feel there to be a need to have both versions, but if we are going to get specific about changes to the movies in general, it should be pointed out). So, would this all mean that there should be at least 2 versions of each prequel (assuming that more changes are in store than the ones we already know of)?

Granted, since this prequels were made using newer special effects technology, the changes probably wouldn't be as great and it may be possible to have both versions via seemless branching if the differences aren't too extensive.