8K discussion thread

[LordoftheRings]

First 8K video from space...in down-to-earth 4K

▪ https://gizmodo.com/the-first-8k-vid...1830182435/amp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k2u...ature=youtu.be

[Staying Salty]

https://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/n/NHK-to-...-December-2018

Called BS8K, the “Super Hi Vision” service will begin offering 12 hours of 8K Ultra HD content per day. NHK said it will also launch a second, sister channel called BS4K at the same time, which will provide 18 hours of 4K Ultra HD content per day.

[Staying Salty]

https://www.rapidtvnews.com/20181108...#ixzz5WL1GhiU9

Also on launch night, NHK will show Stanley Kubrick’s legendary film 2001: A Space Odyssey scanned at 8K.

[LordoftheRings]

▪ https://nofilmschool.com/Kubrick-2001-Space-Odyssey-8K

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

▪ https://nofilmschool.com/Kubrick-2001-Space-Odyssey-8K

Did they really not know that 2001 had a new transfer?

[Penton-Man]

New release by Florian:
http://ff.de/new-release-hdrmaster-8...amic-metadata/

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Did they really not know that 2001 had a new transfer?

It doesn't matter; 480p, 1080p, 2160p, ... Japan will see it in 4320p (8K).
...People with a "Monolith" 8K TV.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

It doesn't matter; 480p, 1080p, 2160p, ... Japan will see it in 4320p (8K).
...People with a "Monolith" 8K TV.

Just a different aspect ratio.

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by 6athome

Wow!Looks like people are wising up in 2018 and not buying 8K TV'S without HDMI 2.1,well the way I'm reading this is HDMI 2.1 in 2019.

Wait for HDMI 2.1

Industry watchers attribute the slow start to the lack of content and that consumers are “waiting for more improved 8K TVs”.

That is a polite way of saying that Samsung and Sharp have jumped the shark. Their current 8K TVs lack HDMI 2.1, which is required to input 8K video at decent frame rates. YouTube is one of the only providers to offer 8K video content but the current TVs are not capable of decoding it. Companies are trying to sell the story of the wonders of upscaling but consumers are evidently not buying it.

More TV manufacturers are expected to launch 8K TVs in the coming year as HDMI 2.1 chipsets emerge. Some of these TVs may be showcased at CES 2019 in Las Vegas next month.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1544161722

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[Robert Zohn]

My crystal ball says....

We're see a few new 8K TVs at CES.

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by fafrd

Just found this: https://www.newsshooter.com/2018/12/...cast-in-japan/

"NHK’s 8K (well it’s actually 7680 x 4320) broadcasts are now available on a daily basis on a special channel between the hours of 10 am and 10 pm. The picture quality of the broadcasts will be 16 x greater than that of HD, and audio will be delivered in 22.2 multi-channel. NHK will be broadcasting in frame rates of 59.94, 60 and 120P."

So 120fps HFR seems to be part of the 8K 'Super High Vision' package...

Even if the first generation 8K TVs don't support a 120Hz refresh rate, it is clear they are going to need to by Gen 2 or Gen 3.

That means backplane speeds are going to need to increase dramatically and a 120Hz 8K panel refreshing in '4K mode' will be able to deliver a 240Hz effective refresh rate and 50% BFI @ 120Hz.

LCD 8K panels have the second blanking control for the backlight and so will be able to support a 240Hz effective refresh rate even at 8K (meaning they can suport BFI @ 120Hz even at full 8K resolution).

Hopefully LGD is understanding this disadvantage they have versis 8K LED/LCD and will turn that minus into a pkus by adding a seperate blanking co trol to their WOLED backplanes. OLED is far faster than LCD, so with a seperate blanking control, WOLED will be able to do everything LED/LCD can do as far as HFR and motion performance, just better (no smearing).

It's goid news that NHK is putting a focus on HFR 120Hz 8K broadcast. They understand the advantage that HFR and improved motion performance has to deliver to sports broadcasts: https://www.nhk.or.jp/strl/publica/b...ture0074-1.pdf

And in light of that and their position that OLED is superior to LCD for HFR and improved motion performance, the recently-announced partnership between NHK and LGD for 8K Briadcast of the 2020 Olympics is especially intriguing : http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20181207000442

It appears as though the odds of LG delivering 120fps 8K WOLEDs no later than Spring 2020 just went up significantly!

(Oh, and just noticed this from the KoreaHerald article: 'LG Display’s adviser Yeo Sang-deok said in his keynote speech at the forum, “Self-emissive OLED panels with a wide viewing angle and infinite contrast ratio feature quick responses that are ideal for watching sports games.” ' - LG is only going to be able to show-off the quick response tmrs of their WOLED panels if they speed up their backplane and also hopefully add a blanking control ).

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[LordoftheRings]

Good one..."Monolith" 8K TV's aspect ratio, when viewing vertically.
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True, YouTube 8K videos do exist.
True, 8K UHD TVs do exist.
True, 2001: A Space Odyssey is going to be presented in 8K in Japan.

8K TVs and 8K content are slowly building up; you can't stop what's comin' up.
■■ https://www.redsharknews.com/technol...ble-hdmi-cable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCer...ature=youtu.be

[puddy77]

Red is partnering with Nvidia for realtime 8k 24fps processing: https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2018/1...movie-editing/

[Robert Zohn]

Now ^^ that's good news. Two great companies coming together to accomplish very great things.

I can tell you that we'll see more 8K TVs at CES.

[Staying Salty]

Gaming on the CLEAR TV Prototype! - YouTube

Really fascinating video. Transparent display.

[LordoftheRings]

■ https://robbreport.com/gear/tvs/is-8...gh-in-2836651/

□ https://www.techspot.com/amp/news/78...8k-begins.html
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Extra: For monitors (PC Screens, laptops, tablets, ...), 4K makes a noticeable and better visual experience.
Then 8K would follow this scientific (measurable) and observable pattern.

For large screens ... 100-300 inches diagonally (front projectors), 8K would be a blast (laser light).
For MicroLED (and QLED and OLED and LCD LED) flat panel TVs, eventually (just like 4K), 8K is going to be the trend...say roughly five years from now. We cannot escape it because in Japan they are already working on 16K. We can't stop progress no matter what we say and believe in; it's just life in our technological and economically productive entertaining TV watching world.

Happy New Year! :fireworks: :champagne: :love&kisses: :allthatjazz:

[puddy77]

https://8kassociation.com

Just a heads up, even though this site is legit AFAIK, my work internet finds it unsafe and blocks it. Viewing it through a VPN works for me.

[Staying Salty]

https://www.avsforum.com/8k-associat...d-at-ces-2019/

Unsurprisingly, there is much work to be done if this initiative is to succeed. The founding members of the new 8K Association are: AU Optronics (AUO), Hisense, Panasonic, Samsung Electronics and TCL Electronics. Samsung Display is joining the association. Notably absent from the list are Sony and LG, both of which fielded 8K TVs at the show. Also missing is Vizio, although that company did not have any 8K related announcements at CES.

Edit: I posted this incase our members were interested in reading the AVS comments.

The 8K Association link that puddy77 posted above works now.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Staying Salty

The 8K Association link that puddy77 posted above works now.

Incomplete and erratic. ...Link from post #357
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* This one is straighter (more complete and problem-free):
http://www.hughsnews.ca/new-8k-assoc...future-0058654

[nick4Knight]

I don't think MicroLED will be able to be miniaturized enough to fit 8K pixels on a 75" panel if it's had giant technical difficulties getting 4K pixels on that size display for the Samsung.

For mine I'm not gonna be in the market for that tech unless it can get to 65", or even 55" preferably. That would deeffffinitely limit it to 4K resolution. And I'm fine with that.

8K is only gonna be for upscaling 4K UHD discs in the mainstream hollywood content sphere. I would be super shocked if 8K ever even became a thing in streaming for movies with scans 8K and above. Even 10 years down the line, that would be such a niche library it wouldn't really be a thing at that point.