8K discussion thread

[Geoff D]

"Many of those [65mm] films exist on 8K masters already"? That's a bit fanciful bruv. SCANNED in 8K (actually 11K on the sensor), yes, actually finished in 8K, nope. We know of a couple that NHK have sprung for, but then they kinda have a vested interest in this stuff.

As for Rec 2020, most professional monitors still don't cover 100% of that gamut - which brings the issue of metamerism into play as the wavelengths diverge - and I certainly wouldn't expect a professional display to hit that within "the next 24 to 36 months", to say nothing of consumer sets. Just look at that ermazing new Sony 8K: 94% of the P3 gamut

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

And it will be an ultra compressed McDonald's-grade look just like we have now with streaming. With lossy audio.

The industry NEVER learns. N...E...V...E...R.

And where's the content coming from, eh? We barely have true 4k as it is.


I've seen NHK's 8k stuff and it looks no better than 4k. It looks better blown up BIIIIIIIIIIIG (and who outside of the ultra rich can afford IMAX screens in their homes), but the actual perceived resolution was about the same.


We're getting into the ridiculous territory now. 4k with the promised 2020 or thereabouts color gamut, 12 bit, etc. would be just fine.

No need to have giant screen. In my 96” 21:9 screen, even 8K eShift looks more solid than with 8K eShift turned off (viewed from my usual 8-9ft away)

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

No need to have giant screen. In my 96” 21:9 screen, even 8K eShift looks more solid than with 8K eShift turned off (viewed from my usual 8-9ft away)

Said like a true projektor owner. Dude, trust me: 96" is ****ing HUGE compared to the sort of displays that 99% of people are watching on.

[JohnAV]

My question to anyone speculating on 8k based on streaming access, hows that ever going to be achieved in rural USA/Canada never mind a another codec?

Is the investment in enhancement of rural broadband worth it?

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

"Many of those [65mm] films exist on 8K masters already"? That's a bit fanciful bruv. SCANNED in 8K (actually 11K on the sensor), yes, actually finished in 8K, nope. We know of a couple that NHK have sprung for, but then they kinda have a vested interest in this stuff.

As for Rec 2020, most professional monitors still don't cover 100% of that gamut - which brings the issue of metamerism into play as the wavelengths diverge - and I certainly wouldn't expect a professional display to hit that within "the next 24 to 36 months", to say nothing of consumer sets. Just look at that ermazing new Sony 8K: 94% of the P3 gamut

It’s pretty sad that for a TV that expensive it can’t even do 100% P3

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Said like a true projektor owner. Dude, trust me: 96" is ****ing HUGE compared to the sort of displays that 99% of people are watching on.

LOL. But you must concede, in terms of projection screen, 96” is miniscule. At least amongst my friends and clients, I have the smallest projection screen.

[Geoff D]

I can't help your feelings of inadequacy amongst your circle of friends and clients, I'm sure they all laugh at your little tiddler but out there in the wider world things are a bit different. I'm watching the Cricket World Cup at the moment on a 48" TV, so your "miniscule" projection is literally four times as big.

[stvn1974]

I will buy an 8K television set when it comes with the Star Wars Original Threatrical Trilogy 8K UHD bundled with it.

[SeeMoreDigital]

For anyone living in the EU with an 8K television, there's currently an FTA 'SES 8K satellite test transmission' via 28.2 East: -

Freq: 11973.00MHz | Pol: V | SR: 31000 | FEC: 9/10 | Modulation: 8PSK
Video PID: 336 [H.265] | Audio PID: 337 [AAC] | SID: 7249


Cheers

[Geoff D]

Heh. Reminds me that I could only watch the Astra 4K demo feed so many times, you know?

[LordoftheRings]

8K is good; it will push 4K manufacturers to include more and better features...3D in 4K.

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

I hate to break the news to you . . . there isn't going to be a videophile 8K format like there is for 4K (UHD-BD). For 8K to succeed, it will depend on the masses buying into it and that means streaming.

The content will come from 8K shot TV shows/movies and 65mm movies transferred to 8K. With less than 200 of them ever made, that category will be the smallest available pool for 8K content but it may be the first to arrive as many of those films exist on 8K masters already.

TV manufacturers aren't going to expand 4K. No 12 bit panels, no REC 2020 color gamut. Those improvements will probably show up on 8K TVs in the next 24 to 36 months. The only improvement you may see to 4K TVs will be increased HDR brightness - up to 4000 nits.

All good points, and I mostly agree, but with couple exceptions.

1st in my case and others, I'll be shooting my own 8K HDR content and look forward to displaying on our 8K TVs.

Most of the 8K TVs have other advancement that are not available in any of the 4K HDR TVs, even the flagship models. Some examples are Sony's 85" & 98" Z9G where they brought back the very highly respected Backlight Master Drive. For LG, of course, they will have the only emissive display, the 88" 8K OLED Z9P with the new and exclusive a9 Gen 2 PRO processor.

So if a videophile wants the best TV, like it or not, it will be an 8K TV.

Looking ahead, by Q1 2020 we'll see Sharp's 75" 8K mini LCD, which is a dual cell LCD and sometime later in 2020 we'll hopefully have Samsung's 8K micro LED TVs.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

I will buy an 8K television set when it comes with the Star Wars Original Threatrical Trilogy 8K UHD bundled with it.

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Most of the 8K TVs have other advancement that are not available in any of the 4K HDR TVs, even the flagship models. Some examples are Sony's 85" & 98" Z9G where they brought back the very highly respected Backlight Master Drive. For LG, of course, they will have the only emissive display, the 88" 8K OLED Z9P with the new and exclusive a9 Gen 2 PRO processor. So if a videophile wants the best TV, like it or not, it will be an 8K TV.

These two comments represent prefect contradictions to each other. In the first content matters, in the second it's stressing hardware before any content which comes across as marketing. No doubt if you want the most advanced you could buy a early 8K UDTV, but of course its questionable your investment would be entirely usable once mainstream 8K codecs and transport mediums fully arrive.

Robert I omitted the 8k camera content presented on displays, why because that is not consumers will readily find. The first thing you want to attract people to 8K UHD technology is to readily experience it in cinemas.

PS I wish they get rid of the movie theater chain calling themselves 8K Cinemas-Movie City.

[Robert Zohn]

John, thanks for the comments. Sorry if my post came off as "marketing" I certainly had no intent to do that. In fact, I made no comment as the any advantage of 8K by itself, other than my use of a 8K camera to create my own 8K content. What I did reference is the physical and exclusive advantages that Sony and LG employed into their 8K TVs.

BTW, native 8K consumer cameras will be available from Sharp by Q2 2020.

These new 8K display types and enhanced processors will deliver a better image quality than any other 4K HDR TV period. I have seen this with my own eyes as we are displaying and demonstrating Sony's 8K 85" Z9G and I've been fortunate to spend much time with this display and this is confirmed by the many reviews by well respected professional TV reviewers.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

John, thanks for the comments. Sorry if my post came off as "marketing" I certainly had no intent to do that. In fact, I made no comment as the any advantage of 8K by itself, other than my use of a 8K camera to create my own 8K content. What I did reference is the physical and exclusive advantages that Sony and LG employed into their 8K TVs.

BTW, native 8K consumer cameras will be available from Sharp by Q2 2020.

These new 8K display types and enhanced processors will deliver a better image quality than any other 4K HDR TV period. I have seen this with my own eyes as we are displaying and demonstrating Sony's 8K 85" Z9G and I've been fortunate to spend much time with this display and this is confirmed by the many reviews by well respected professional TV reviewers.

No disagreements with what's in bold.

I think you need to get a new Mac Pro for your 8k editing.

[puddy77]

Apple's new Mac Pro workstation can edit three 8k streams simultaneously. And its Pro Display XDR is 32" 6k HDR (1000 nits average, 1600 nits peak).

https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/3/18...otos-wwdc-2019

[Robert Zohn]

Thanks for the heads-up on Apple's new Mac Pro workstation for 8K editing!

I have Sharp's new 8K camera reserved and hope to be a Beta tester.

[JohnAV]

Information is trickling in now
Apple Targets Hollywood with New Mac Pro - Hollywood Reporter

A slew of companies that develop software for Hollywood's production and postproduction community were announced as supporting the new Mac Pro, including Avid, Adobe, Blackmagic Design, Epic Games (the maker of the Unreal Engine), Foundry, Maxon, Side Effects, Red and Pixar.

see also https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/

[LordoftheRings]

Apple 8K TV...when?

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Once they get Versatile Video Coding (VVC) in place, streaming 8K content will be doable. Will take about 40 MBPS. The development of the VVC standard is expected to be completed in 2020.

I did not know this. So glad to hear streaming will actually be able to handle true 4K+