8K discussion thread

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Who? Your mate Noremac, that comment was directly from the top tier of the hyperbole section.

I'd have to be also claiming to be an expert, nay a god of all home video tec matters to be on his level of hyperbole.

Was that hyperbolic? Nope.

[Geoff D]

That really was like something from the Mij playbook re: his hatred for LCD though, but to give you credit it was much more inventive than anything he's ever come up with. I don't mind people being c*nts as long as they're entertaining, when they're just being plain c*nts it's all rather joyless.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That really was like something from the Mij playbook re: his hatred for LCD though, but to give you credit it was much more inventive than anything he's ever come up with. I don't mind people being c*nts as long as they're entertaining, when they're just being plain c*nts it's all rather joyless.

Oh the LCD thing. Well in the context of HDR performance, barring a few stand out examples. Then I think it's a fair analogy. And hence one reason why investment is going into OLED over LCD/LED.

And it looks like you are now stuck with your ZD9 for the next 7 or 8 year's if you aren't going to adopt OLED.

But even when microLED hits. Even the most minute bit of blooming will keep OLED on top.

But I don't have some stupid hatred aganist LED. It served it's time, it had it's spotlight.

[PeterTHX]

Until they fully resolve any possible burn-in issues with OLED...having them as computer monitors, where the display stays the same for hours at a time while in use, is a non-starter. As in no f-ing way.

[dirtnoise1]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Oh the LCD thing. Well in the context of HDR performance, barring a few stand out examples. Then I think it's a fair analogy. And hence one reason why investment is going into OLED over LCD/LED.

And it looks like you are now stuck with your ZD9 for the next 7 or 8 year's if you aren't going to adopt OLED.

But even when microLED hits. Even the most minute bit of blooming will keep OLED on top.

But I don't have some stupid hatred aganist LED. It served it's time, it had it's spotlight.

microLED won't have any blooming though.. Just like OLED each individual pixel can simply turn off. Perhaps you're confusing it with mini-LED.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Until they fully resolve any possible burn-in issues with OLED...having them as computer monitors, where the display stays the same for hours at a time while in use, is a non-starter. As in no f-ing way.

Yeah, that really feels like the worst possible way to use the tech to me, and yet we're starting to see it be adopted for exactly that purpose.

Will be very interesting to hear from owners how those OLED laptops, etc. hold up over the years.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by dirtnoise1

microLED won't have any blooming though.. Just like OLED each individual pixel can simply turn off. Perhaps you're confusing it with mini-LED.

I probably am. But I guess we will just have to wait another 7 year's to find out.

I mean OLED promises perfect blacks on paper. But real world performance varies.

Still, microLED won't be self emisive. So how exactly the colours will look, and gray uniformity will be are unknowns.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Oh the LCD thing. Well in the context of HDR performance, barring a few stand out examples. Then I think it's a fair analogy. And hence one reason why investment is going into OLED over LCD/LED.

And it looks like you are now stuck with your ZD9 for the next 7 or 8 year's if you aren't going to adopt OLED.

But even when microLED hits. Even the most minute bit of blooming will keep OLED on top.

But I don't have some stupid hatred aganist LED. It served it's time, it had it's spotlight.

I'm not exactly crying into my cereal at that prospect. In terms of balancing high brightness with deep blacks and good contrast it's still one of the best consumer HDR TVs around ("one of the best LCDs ever made" according to your man Vincent, though that may only be the best by East German standards so I appreciate that the endorsement may not count for much). If it goes pop then I'll have to weigh up the options, the Sony OLEDs are curiously flaccid for brightness while the Panny OLEDs look like the realeffingdeal.com, but the posterisation that Vincent mentioned re: high brightness on the GZ2000 makes me wonder about the state of Panasonic's processing, of which the HDR Optimiser on their players also causes some mild banding, funnily enough.

[dirtnoise1]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

I probably am. But I guess we will just have to wait another 7 year's to find out.

I mean OLED promises perfect blacks on paper. But real world performance varies.

Still, microLED won't be self emisive. So how exactly the colours will look, and gray uniformity will be are unknowns.

microLED is self-emissive hence why it can have the same 'perfect blacks' as OLED, it's just not organic.

You're right that we will have to wait to see how everything pans out in the real world but in theory microLED offers only upsides from OLED.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'm not exactly crying into my cereal at that prospect. In terms of balancing high brightness with deep blacks and good contrast it's still one of the best consumer HDR TVs around ("one of the best LCDs ever made" according to your man Vincent, though that may only be the best by East German standards so I appreciate that the endorsement may not count for much). If it goes pop then I'll have to weigh up the options, the Sony OLEDs are curiously flaccid for brightness while the Panny OLEDs look like the realeffingdeal.com, but the posterisation that Vincent mentioned re: high brightness on the GZ2000 makes me wonder about the state of Panasonic's processing, of which the HDR Optimiser on their players also causes some mild banding, funnily enough.

At least you have a choice of cearl of which to cry in. We now have the reality where it's OLED or nothing. And LG being the sole manufacturer of the panels. Not that anyone can blame LG for taking the ball and running with it.

While the rest of industry has been pushing 3D! Then 4K! Instead of R&D into innovating LED for consumer TVs. They are responsible for this reality. And it's only now they've been forced into making those innovations, yet very telling from how far out it is just what a mountain they have to climb to beat LGs impending panel monopoly.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by dirtnoise1

microLED is self-emissive hence why it can have the same 'perfect blacks' as OLED, it's just not organic.

You're right that we will have to wait to see how everything pans out in the real world but in theory microLED offers only upsides from OLED.

I'd take a dual-panel LCD too, if they ever become financially viable for a consumer set from Sony or Panasonic who've both created dual-LCD mastering solutions for professional usage. Even using a 2K greyscale panel with a 4K main panel the blooming would be almost non-existent because content going down to the single-pixel level in 4K content is extremely rare, though it looks like they're going with 4K greyscale panels anyway in newer models.

It's funny though that while LCD's demise is apparently imminent in the consumer world, in the professional world they're slowly drifting away from OLED as a mastering monitor.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I'd take a dual-panel LCD too, if they ever become financially viable for a consumer set from Sony or Panasonic who've both created dual-LCD mastering solutions for professional usage. Even using a 2K greyscale panel with a 4K main panel the blooming would be almost non-existent because content going down to the single-pixel level in 4K content is extremely rare, though it looks like they're going with 4K greyscale panels anyway in newer models.

It's funny though that while LCD's demise is apparently imminent in the consumer world, in the professional world they're slowly drifting away from OLED as a mastering monitor.

Oh indeed they are using dual layer. Panasonic who own it are selling off the rights I believe. So maybe Sony might buy it up, bring it to the consumer market. But I think they are more invest in Crystal for the long term game.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

At least you have a choice of cearl of which to cry in. We now have the reality where it's OLED or nothing. And LG being the sole manufacturer of the panels. Not that anyone can blame LG for taking the ball and running with it.

While the rest of industry has been pushing 3D! Then 4K! Instead of R&D into innovating LED for consumer TVs. They are responsible for this reality. And it's only now they've been forced into making those innovations, yet very telling from how far out it is just what a mountain they have to climb to beat LGs impending panel monopoly.

It's so sad that Sony did so much to make OLED viable but had to pull the plug. It needed such a massive investment and willingness to piss away cash on such low yields that no-one wanted a piece of it, but to their credit LG stepped up and are now reaping the benefits. That said, even though there may never be another mass manufacturer of OLED panels at the same kind of volume as LG Display (not outside of a Chinese sweatshop anyways) it's been a blessing for the tech that other companies decided to do their own take on OLED with LG panels because it's forced LG to up their game considerably re: their internal processing. (Someone with a 2018 LG messaged me about the posterisation on their TV, it looked ****ing horrendous.)

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's so sad that Sony did so much to make OLED viable but had to pull the plug. It needed such a massive investment and willingness to piss away cash on such low yields that no-one wanted a piece of it, but to their credit LG stepped up and are now reaping the benefits. That said, even though there may never be another mass manufacturer of OLED panels at the same kind of volume as LG Display (not outside of a Chinese sweatshop anyways) it's been a blessing for the tech that other companies decided to do their own OLEDs because it's forced LG to up their game considerably re: their internal processing.

And while that might have ensured LGs dominance for the first half of the next decade. If they keep all their eggs in the OLED basket, and don't move that capital when it really starts rolling in to other panels. Then they might find them self flogging a dead chicken by 2028.

I can't say I've noticed any posterisation on my C8. But maybe that's just because I'm not looking hard enough for it.

[slimdude]

These 8K TVs aren't flying off the shelves like the retailers thought they would. Consumers are still buying 4K TVs, and walking right past the 8K TVs as if they're not there. The only one who's buying 8K TVs are the early adopters, who want the latest and the greatest of every new technology as always.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by ray0414

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Dominance? Maybe someone should have told that to LG before they fired their TV divisions CEO for an array of bad TV performance all around. Their lcd business is trash and oled hasnt been able to turn a profit for them.


https://www.channelnews.com.au/lg-ce...pact-business/

So it's more that LCD's "demise" is that panel makers like LG are cutting back while the Chinese are doubling down on it. Huh.

[Lee A Stewart]

Cadillac's 2021 Escalade to sport a 38-inch curved OLED display

Cadillac announced that the 2021 full-size luxury SUV Escalade will adopt a 38-inch curved OLED display. Cadillac says this OLED will enables bold imagery, perfect blacks and the largest color range available in the automotive industry.

The 38" OLED will sport "twice the number of pixels of a 4K TV". As it seems to be a very wide format, it could be a resolution of 8192 x 2160 or something like that. As this is the first time a 38" OLED is discussed, we do not know who is developing this display. A large number of companies are developing and producing automotive OLED displays - to learn more about this exciting new OLED market, click here.

https://www.oled-info.com/cadillacs-...d-oled-display

[Waboman]

That won't be distracting at all.

[rachaeldeckard]

All it does is combine the dashboard and infotainment into one big screen. And they are not the first company to do this. Mercedes has the exact same design if slightly smaller.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Cadillac announced that the 2021 full-size luxury SUV Escalade will adopt a 38-inch curved OLED display. Cadillac says this OLED will enables bold imagery, perfect blacks and the largest color range available in the automotive industry.

Yet still gets less than 10 miles to the gallon.