8K discussion thread

[JohnAV]

SkyStream PRO 8K Streaming Media Player

Stream with the best and get the best, only with SkyStream PRO, which offers you up to 8k Ultra High Definition streaming capabilities — something Apple TV and Chromecast don’t support.

Go figure, likely its got some kind of 8K output using YouTube videos in 8K.

[JohnAV]

"Yachats" || Laowa 12mm T/2.9 Zero-D Cine Lens Tests (8K FUHD) - YouTube

A good 8K example of how the medium can project a potential environment for a movie very well. In fact one comment was "Amazing cinematography & music feels like a netflix series"

[JohnAV]

NFL Pro Bowl: ESPN Further Experiments With 8K Technology - SportsVideoGroup News

Before Super Bowl LIV kicks off in Miami, the NFL’s best players of the season will head 223 miles north to Camping World Stadium in Orlando, FL, for the 2020 Pro Bowl. Covering the game for another year, ESPN will continue its push toward 8K technology with a Panasonic 8K camera at the 50-yard line.

“The Pro Bowl is a little more relaxed and laid back,” notes Steve Carter, senior operations manager, ESPN. “There are opportunities to test these types of technologies, and the NFL has been very receptive to that.”

Test and Check: 8K Abounds at League’s Penultimate Contest
To stay ahead of the technological curve, ESPN is researching potential regular-season applications of 8K equipment. Although it’s only one camera, it packs a punch that can possibly enhance games on a more regular basis.

“The idea is to have four pan-and-scans in this one 8K frame, so we’ll be doing varying levels of electronic zoom and tracking the ball manually,” says Carter. “We’re looking at the technology to see the actual physics of the lens. It’s great to have the image in high resolution, but is it sharp and in focus? We just want to test the viability and feasibility of using a single camera for multiple camera feeds.”

ESPN is increasingly ambitious in exploring large-scale productions in higher-resolution formats. In the past few months, the broadcaster has embraced native 4K on regular-season college football, college basketball, and the CFP National Championship’s MegaCast.

[gkolb]

Seems like so many of these tech writer articles mention up-rezzing 2k/HD content to 8K. Then of course they allude to how much guessing the AI algorithms have to go through to fill the 8K display (16x up-rez for 2k to 8k).
If only they knew about 4K content with HDR and WCG. (sarcasm alert) An up-rez to 8K is only a 4x algorithm process. And yet, 4K content is mostly ignored by these techies.

Just a side note, finally watched my 4K UHD disc of Red Heat (Lionsgate/Studio Canal). What a beautiful picture with well managed grain on my 65” Sony Z9D and Oppo 203. It surely looked as good or better than it did in the cinema when I saw it in the 80’s. With better AI it would look fantastic on a top-notch 8K display. I’m just in no hurry to upgrade except for the desire for a large 77 or 85ish screen. It’ll be at least 2+ years and 8K will be more improved and more affordable by then.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

SkyStream PRO 8K Streaming Media Player





Go figure, likely its got some kind of 8K output using YouTube videos in 8K.

4 whole cores!

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by gkolb

Seems like so many of these tech writer articles mention up-rezzing 2k/HD content to 8K. Then of course they allude to how much guessing the AI algorithms have to go through to fill the 8K display (16x up-rez for 2k to 8k).
If only they knew about 4K content with HDR and WCG. (sarcasm alert) An up-rez to 8K is only a 4x algorithm process. And yet, 4K content is mostly ignored by these techies.

Just a side note, finally watched my 4K UHD disc of Red Heat (Lionsgate/Studio Canal). What a beautiful picture with well managed grain on my 65” Sony Z9D and Oppo 203. It surely looked as good or better than it did in the cinema when I saw it in the 80’s. With better AI it would look fantastic on a top-notch 8K display. I’m just in no hurry to upgrade except for the desire for a large 77 or 85ish screen. It’ll be at least 2+ years and 8K will be more improved and more affordable by then.

You must have a different Red Heat UHD to me because the compression is atrocious at times. c'est la StudioCanal

[gkolb]

it's my 68 yr ol eyes. A'int what they used to be.

[wxman2003]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

SkyStream PRO 8K Streaming Media Player





Go figure, likely its got some kind of 8K output using YouTube videos in 8K.

Would be nice to know what forms of HDR it supports. Their page doesn't list the HDR spec nor does their video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLcE...ature=youtu.be

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

SkyStream PRO 8K Streaming Media Player





Go figure, likely its got some kind of 8K output using YouTube videos in 8K.

While I like the 8K streaming player concept, you are most likely correct the only native 8K content will be from consumers with 8K camcorders posting Youtube videos. How about classic James Cameron movies like Titanic, Abyss and others getting a 8K master scan of the film negative and then offered at high bit rate 8K with lossless audio to place 4K Blu-ray in checkmate. Maybe one day but streaming is not at that quality level yet. No 8K Netflix and VUDU yet. Not enough 8K displays sold to justify the bandwidth needed to stream at 8K.

[wxman2003]

I got an email from SkyStream about their 8K device and these are the formats it supports.

Video Formats: VP9, VP10, HDR, MPEG-1 MP/HL, MPEG-2 MP/HL, MPEG-4 Part 2, ASP, WMV/VC-1 SP/MP/AP, H.264 HP@L4.1, H.265, REAMDEO 8/9/10, M-JPEG & JPEG

Video Codecs: MPEG, MPE, MPG, M2V, ISO, TS, VOB, DAT, AVI, MKV, MP4, MOV, 3GP, 3GPP, FLC, WMV, FLV, RM

Video Subtitles: SRT, SUB, IDX, PGS

Audio Codecs: ACC, AC-3, ADPCM, AMR-NB, MIDI, MP2, MP3, MS-ADPCM, PCS, RV40 Vorbis WMA, AAC+ (HE-AAC vi), eAAC+ (HE-AAC v2)

[Lee A Stewart]

Sharp to launch 4K OLED after 8K LCD fails to excite buyers

Sharp will launch 4K OLED TVs, based on LG Display panels, after its 8K LCD TVs have failed to excite buyers in Japan, pushing down Sharp to third place in domestic market share, according to Nikkei.

Sharp has seen little succes with its 8K LCD TVs, despite the launch of 8K broadcasts in late 2018 and the upcoming Tokyo Summer Olympics that will be captured and broadcast in 8K in Japan.

Sharp was the leading TV brand in Japan in 2018, according to market share data by IHS Markit, but it slipped to third place in the first three quarters of 2019, trailing Sony and Panasonic. Other Japanese brands have captured sales by launching 4K OLED TVs, according to sales data.

In Japan, Sharp's OLED TVs will launch in spring in 55 and 65 inches starting at 300,000 yen. The company has not commented on its plans for Europe or North America.

It is not just Sharp who is struggling to sell 8K LCD TVs. As a result, IHS Markit has revised its global sales forecast for 8K TVs down from 430,000 to just 140,000 units in 2019 and down from 2 million to 630,000 units in 2020.


https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1580199587

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Sharp has seen little succes with its 8K LCD TVs, despite the launch of 8K broadcasts in late 2018 and the upcoming Tokyo Summer Olympics that will be captured and broadcast in 8K in Japan.

Sharp was the leading TV brand in Japan in 2018, according to market share data by IHS Markit, but it slipped to third place in the first three quarters of 2019, trailing Sony and Panasonic. Other Japanese brands have captured sales by launching 4K OLED TVs, according to sales data.

In Japan, Sharp's OLED TVs will launch in spring in 55 and 65 inches starting at 300,000 yen. The company has not commented on its plans for Europe or North America.

It is not just Sharp who is struggling to sell 8K LCD TVs. As a result, IHS Markit has revised its global sales forecast for 8K TVs down from 430,000 to just 140,000 units in 2019 and down from 2 million to 630,000 units in 2020.

Japanese TV manufacturers are delirious if they think that the 2020 Summer Olympics is a catalyst to greatly increased 8K adoption when their country is so lacking even with 4k adoption.
Remember the Redshark article back in September 2019.

Perhaps the most surprising result is from Japan, where UHD takeup is likely to struggle to barely 19% by 2020 and 32% by 2023. The supposition is that comparatively few Japanese apartments have space for a TV big enough to make even 4K, let alone 8K, meaningful (the average millennial Londoner might feel the same way.)

It’s a ringing irony in the place where NHK have been very publicly gearing-up for an 8K Olympics next year. Very few domestic viewers will be equipped to enjoy it. The opposite problem exists in the USA and, to a much greater extent, in China, where 4K (not to say 8K) TV shipments proportionally outstrip the availability of content for them. This imbalance is less pronounced in Western Europe, where around 60% of TVs shipped are UHD, and about 60% of “linear channels” offer it, though it’s not quite clear whether that’s new startup channels; certainly in the UK it is not the case that 60% of all TV is available in 4K.

Nikki just decided to post really old news as news I guess.

[JohnAV]

World's Fastest 8K Video Editor Workstation Astrodesign Tamazone AW-8800, 8K output SD-7075 HDMI 2.1 - YouTube

As shown at CES 2020 HDMI forum booth

Astrodesign presents the Tamazone Workstation, designed as the ultimate workstation and server combined, handling 12TB of heavy 8K data storage, Maximum 56 CPU cores, Maximum 768GB of main memory, 4 double-height GPUs, redundant power supply, dual Xeon CPUs that allow up to 27GB/s of sequential Read/Write speed. Although it is designed to be a catch-all for 8K data, it can be utilized for anything from CG/VR/AR creation to processing-heavy applications like real-time rendering and Deep Learning.

When this hardware is combined with the proprietary software, the Tamazone Media Player, this workstation can also be considered as an advanced 8K playback system. The software allows the user to use clips recorded or imported into the system to create an original playlist. All it takes is to simply select files and arrange them in any order on the timeline. Playback can be preset to stop or start at any time as well as set to only play back a certain section of the playlist.

[JohnAV]

These are the next generation TV technologies you'll be able to buy very soon - RedShark 1/28/2020

8K was clearly a high-profile TV trend at CES 2020 but fuelling TV advancements are several underlying display technologies that will continue to drive innovation and, hopefully, sales in the future. I am talking about new direct-view displays powered by microLEDs, LCDs powered by miniLED backlights and an alternative LCD architecture called dual-cell. All these are being used to make 4K and 8K TVs. In this part, I will discuss miniLED TVs and dual-cell TVs. In Part 2, I will turn our attention to microLED displays featured at CES 2020.

This is part 1 covering miniLED and duel cell TVs.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Sharp to launch 4K OLED after 8K LCD fails to excite buyers

Sharp will launch 4K OLED TVs, based on LG Display panels, after its 8K LCD TVs have failed to excite buyers in Japan, pushing down Sharp to third place in domestic market share, according to Nikkei.

Sharp has seen little succes with its 8K LCD TVs, despite the launch of 8K broadcasts in late 2018 and the upcoming Tokyo Summer Olympics that will be captured and broadcast in 8K in Japan.

Sharp was the leading TV brand in Japan in 2018, according to market share data by IHS Markit, but it slipped to third place in the first three quarters of 2019, trailing Sony and Panasonic. Other Japanese brands have captured sales by launching 4K OLED TVs, according to sales data.

In Japan, Sharp's OLED TVs will launch in spring in 55 and 65 inches starting at 300,000 yen. The company has not commented on its plans for Europe or North America.

It is not just Sharp who is struggling to sell 8K LCD TVs. As a result, IHS Markit has revised its global sales forecast for 8K TVs down from 430,000 to just 140,000 units in 2019 and down from 2 million to 630,000 units in 2020.


https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1580199587

This is a good thing, IMO. I am hoping that more manufacturers will load up new features in 4k models rather than holding them hostage in only 8k models. I am planning on buying my first 4K TV this year and would like to get as many "8K" features I can.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

This is a good thing, IMO. I am hoping that more manufacturers will load up new features in 4k models rather than holding them hostage in only 8k models. I am planning on buying my first 4K TV this year and would like to get as many "8K" features I can.

Too early for trickle down. This 8k ecosystem is feature tied to many things not mainstream. Be it AI processing, HDMI ports, broadcast, media, display types. Last year was the very first year you had a few consumer grade 8k displays. Sharp only recently reclaimed their name from Hisense for North America TV sales as FYI. But you will see better sets this year as the backlighting advancements for LCD/LED are progressing. OLED’s are fairly feature rich, with 48” models late 2020 becoming available.

[Agent Kay]

Always wondered what would have happened it Sony didn't give up on OLED manufacturing.
And if this came out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoEj...ature=youtu.be

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Agent Kay

Always wondered what would have happened it Sony didn't give up on OLED manufacturing.
And if this came out.

I keep remembering the issues of incorrect transportation practices with large plasma TV's in trucks. The Panasonic 103" from 2 years earlier (2010) was 706 pounds. They also had a 152" 4K plasma" was 1300 pounds. I don't recall these other then CES monster sets, not shipped to consumers?

Comparably the recent Sony 8K Z9G 98" weighs 249 pounds. LG 88" 8K OLED weighs 229 pounds.

[LordoftheRings]

The next TVs (ultra thin OLED, MicroLED, foldable) should weight paper thin feather.

[ray0414]

Wonder if Best Buy and other places inform buyers that 8k tvs also use double the power?