8K discussion thread

[Lee A Stewart]

YouTube now streaming 8K video on 8K TVs with AV1 support

8K TVs with support for the new AV1 video codec can now stream YouTube videos in up to 8K resolution. Support will also roll out to Android TVs later this year.

YouTube has flipped the switch on not only AV1 streaming for TVs but also 8K streaming via AV1. It means that you can now enjoy YouTube's 8K videos on compatible 8K TVs.

LG and Samsung's 2020 8K models are the first TVs to support AV1 hardware decoding. Below you see YouTube 8K (60fps) streaming to an LG 2020 8K LCD TV (NANO95 range). Yesterday, TCL said that its new X915 8K TV will also support YouTube 8K via AV1 but that an update to Android 10 (scheduled for later this year) will be required to enable it. Philips has told FlatpanelsHD that it is committed to AV1, too.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1588919283

[JohnAV]

^ Check back two posts Lee.

[Wickerman1972]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But a "QLED" TV is just an LCD TV with a quantum dot backlight, Samsung have always been the kings of this kind of marketing bullshit

True but it's not supposed to stay that way. If and when they're able to move the quantum dot layer to the front it should beat oled.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Wickerman1972

True but it's not supposed to stay that way. If and when they're able to move the quantum dot layer to the front it should beat oled.

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In October, Samsung Display announced that it will invest $11 billion by 2025 to produce QD Displays.

The production of the first iteration of this will begin in 2021, but will be QD-enabled OLED, which uses organic material as the light source and QD material as a film. It will be more similar to Samsung's own AMOLED used for mobile phones and LG's OLED TVs.

If Samsung's eventual goal is to launch a self-emissive QLED display, at minimum, the industry will have to wait until 2025 to see if it is indeed viable.

The problem with Samsung is not just their screen technology, but all the stuff they go their own way and don't support. Their Tizen OS environment is just mediocre with lack of long term support. Using voice command and lousy remotes doesn't equate they care for their TVs as much as their cell phones.

[Wickerman1972]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

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The problem with Samsung is not just their screen technology, but all the stuff they go their own way and don't support. Their Tizen OS environment is just mediocre with lack of long term support. Using voice command and lousy remotes doesn't equate they care for their TVs as much as their cell phones.

I don't know how it's gonna play out but I've seen some interviews with the Nanosys guys where they seem pretty confident that there will be QLED tvs on the market with the quantum dots in the front within a year or two. They could be full of it, I don't know. But they act like they think they can pull it off.

[Wummyhulk]

Blackmagic Design hasn't come out with an Ultra Studio 8K video capture device yet ,so I'm in no hurry to go 8K.

[Lee A Stewart]

Consumer Electronics Giants Endorse MPEG-5 Video Codec

SHENZEN, China—Three of the world’s largest manufacturers of consumer electronics have officially approved a new video codec designed to deliver high resolution video, including 4K UHD, 8K, VR, AR and HDR content. The MPEG-5 EVC standard is a video coding standard for ISO/IEC Moving Picture Experts Group (MPEG).

Huawei, Qualcomm and Samsung announced the approval of MPEG-5 Essential Video Coding (EVC) last week and said they will collaborate to promote the new standard and “reaffirmed their commitments to offer fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory terms for their respective essential patent claims covering this standard.” The companies said they will announce their respective licensing terms for MPEG-5 EVC within two years.

“The MPEG-5 EVC standard is expected to be a great video codec for emerging delivery protocols and networks, such as 5G, enabling the delivery of high-quality video services to an ever-growing audience by providing improved coding performance,” the companies said in their announcement.

https://www.tvtechnology.com/news/co...-5-video-codec

[LexInHD]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

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The problem with Samsung is not just their screen technology, but all the stuff they go their own way and don't support. Their Tizen OS environment is just mediocre with lack of long term support. Using voice command and lousy remotes doesn't equate they care for their TVs as much as their cell phones.

They don't even care that much for their cell phone customers. Samsung just does as they please, in regards to design choices and feature implementation (or subtraction) and the execs have admitted as much and that they "don't know how to make good software to go with the great hardware". They forced Bixby on phone users, removed the programmable button that once acted as a camera shutter and tied it solely into Bixby, and make it difficult to use third-party substitution apps on their phones that would replace their own offerings.

[LexInHD]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Consumer Electronics Giants Endorse MPEG-5 Video Codec



https://www.tvtechnology.com/news/co...-5-video-codec

Those were all companies that proudly backed AV1 to get away from the MPEG patent trolls.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

Those were all companies that proudly backed AV1 to get away from the MPEG patent trolls.

They are also all 5G phone companies if one notices. I really don't think the EVC crew will succeed with fracturing the marketplace.

Useful link
New Codecs for 5G - Harmonic

[Lee A Stewart]

NHK captures two major 8K productions

Japan’s public broadcaster NHK has just wrapped two major 8K productions.

Both productions were captured ahead of the near-global closedown of theatrical productions. The film crew captured a 106-minute performance of the ballet Giselle at the Opéra National de Paris in an 8K co-production between NHK and the Paris Opera.

The NHK crew used six 8K cameras and the recording was made in 22.2 multi-channel audio. The star cast features Dorothée Gilbert as Giselle, Mathieu Ganio as Albrecht, Valentine Colasante as Myrtha, and Audric Bezard as Hilarion. The conductor is Koen Kessels.

Owing to the coronavirus pandemic, a state of emergency has been in place in Japan since April 7th. For Giselle, NHK devised an 8K HDR, 22.2 channel post-production workflow that involved the smallest possible number of staff members for the sake of safety. Channel controller Ochiai Jun said: “People can’t directly experience the performing arts right now, so I’m delighted that we can use television to bring viewers into one of the world’s finest centres of artistic excellence.”

The second major production was carried out in London at the Covent Garden Opera House and featuring the Royal Opera Ballet’s Swan Lake, and filmed in March just days before the lockdown. Currently in post-production it will be broadcast later this month.

https://advanced-television.com/2020...k-productions/

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

Those were all companies that proudly backed AV1 to get away from the MPEG patent trolls.

Originally Posted by JohnAV

They are also all 5G phone companies if one notices. I really don't think the EVC crew will succeed with fracturing the marketplace.

Useful link
New Codecs for 5G - Harmonic

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I remember when some folks thought VP9 would prevail over HEVC.

Anyone but Google remember VP9 now?

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

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I remember when some folks thought VP9 would prevail over HEVC.
Anyone but Google remember VP9 now?

If you look at slide 12 from the harmonic link you can see it’s now AV1 vs VVC with AV1 being computer centric and VVC being TV/smart phone centric. Slide 11 points to VVC being better then EVC.

[Lee A Stewart]

8K Association Webinars: What Didn’t Happen in Vegas Stays Outside Vegas…

https://displaydaily.com/article/dis...-outside-vegas

[JohnAV]

Discusses how 4K is propagating in US market and touches on whats in store with the future.

DVB Webinar: UHD – commercial success or work in progress? (May 2020) - YouTube

Where is UHD? Whilst the move to HD for US primetime slots happened very quickly, HD had actually taken many years to gain a hold on the market. Now, though SD services are still numerous, top tier channels all target HD and in terms of production, SD doesn’t really exist. Is UHD successfully building the momentum needed to dominate the market in the way that HD does or are there blockers? Is there the will but not the bandwidth? Can we show that UHD makes financial sense for a business? This video from the DVB Project and UltraHD Forum answers these questions.

Ian Nock takes the mic first and explains the UltraHD Forum’s role in the industry ahead of introducing Dolby’s Jason Power. Ian explains that the UltraHD Forum isn open organisation focused on all aspects of Ultra High Definition including HDR, Wide Colour Gamut (WCG), Next Generation Audio (NGA) and High Frame Rate (HFR). Jason Power is the chair of the DVB Commercial Module AVC. See starts by underlining the UHD-1 Phase 1 and Phase 2 specifications. Phase 1 defines the higher resolution and colour gamut, but phase 2 delivers higher frame rate, better audio and HDR. DVB works to produce standards that define how these can be used and the majority of UHD services available are DVB compliant.

On the topic of available services, Ben Schwarz takes the stand next to introduce the UltraHD Forum’s ‘Service Tracker‘ which tracks the UHD services available to the public around the world. Ben underlines there’s been a tripling of services available between 2018 to 2020. It allows you to order by country, look at resolution (from 2K to 8K) and more. Ben gives a demo and explains the future plans.

Paul Bray focusses on the global television set business. He starts looking at how the US and Europe have caught up with China in terms of shipments but the trend of buying a TV set – on average – an inch larger than the year before, shows little sign of abating. A positive for the industry, in light of Covid-19, is that the market is not predicted to shrink. Rather, the growth that was expected will be stunted. The US replaces TVs more often than other countries, so the share of TVs there which are UHD is higher than anywhere else. Europe still has a large proportion of people who are happy with 32″ TVs due to the size and HD is perfectly ok for them. Paul shows a great graph which shows the UHD Penetration of each market against the number of UHD services available. We see that Europe is notably in the lead and that China barely has any UHD services at all. Though it should be noted that Omdia are counting linear services only.

[Rocky Road]

I have been using programs with MP4-H265.

And I like it alot.

Now I hear there are others coming out soon.

H.266 VCC Versatile Video Coding

MPEG 5 EVC Essential Video Coding

MPEG 5 LCEVC Low Complexity Enhancement Video Coding

Also something called ATSC 3.0

I hear some of these could handle 12K

Interesting !!!!!!

What do you all Think ?????

[Lee A Stewart]

8K TVs from Samsung Electronics and LG Electronics Only Ones That Support the AV1 Codec at the Moment

https://translate.google.com/transla...20200513200002

[Robert Zohn]

I expect Sony will be adding AV1 CODEC too.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I expect Sony will be adding AV1 CODEC too.

If the SoC doesn't support hardware decoding then what? Another sony exclusive like their DV support?

In previous 8K Youtube articles Sony wasn't listed. Example 8K TVs from Samsung Electronics and LG Electronics Only Ones That Support the AV1 Codec at the Moment - ETNews 5/13/20

AOMedia is made up of multinational corporations such as Samsung Electronics, LG Electronics, Amazon, Apple, Facebook, Intel, Netflix, and Microsoft

Although other multinational TV manufacturers are also working on products that support the AV1 codec, they have yet to develop such products. Although TCL, which is the world’s third biggest TV manufacturer, announced that its new 8K TV that was released this year would support the AV1 codec, it announced that such update will take place after the “Android 10” update that is scheduled in the near future. It is heard that Philips are also working on developing TVs that support the AV1 codec.

“Although more TV manufacturers are beginning to launch 8K TVs, codecs of their TVs that support 8K videos are all different from each other.” said a representative for the industry. “One needs to confirm whether a product can support many formats in order to watch various 8K videos.”

Now its possible Sony because its using android also is stuck in the same situation as a possibility.

[Robert Zohn]

I can't say for sure, but if Sony's SoC is not capable to decode AV1, which I doubt, they can build an external decoder box like LG did for the 88" 8K Z9 OLED TV.