List of UHDs that contain Dolby Vision

[bruceames]

I can imagine that over time nearly all movies will have Dolby Vision, and eventually the list would be much more compact if it listed the titles without Dolby Vision instead. Right now I think only Fox has no plans to release on DV, but surely they will capitulate if everyone else releases DV.

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by bruceames

I can imagine that over time nearly all movies will have Dolby Vision, and eventually the list would be much more compact if it listed the titles without Dolby Vision instead. Right now I think only Fox has no plans to release on DV, but surely they will capitulate if everyone else releases DV.

You are pretty optimistic.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by BozQ

You are pretty optimistic.

Says the person with the depressed looking Sonic the Hedgehog for an avatar

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by BozQ

You are pretty optimistic.

Right. At least regarding the major studios I am. I don't see any reason to think otherwise. With Warner, Universal, Lionsgate, Paramount and Sony soon to be releasing DV discs, the so-called format war with dynamic HDR on the shiny platter is a non-starter. Fox and Samsung are all alone on that island now. Disney's disc sales are huge compared with other studios (they are usually behind Blu-ray's biggest sales weeks) and it's only a matter of time before they release on UHD BD and they are known to support DV.

[Geoff D]

I don't think the floodgates are gonna open just yet, and where was it said that Paramount and Sony are going to be releasing DV on disc? And don't forget Panasonic, they're on that HDR10-only island too.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I don't think the floodgates are gonna open just yet, and where was it said that Paramount and Sony are going to be releasing DV on disc? And don't forget Panasonic, they're on that HDR10-only island too.

I never said floodgates but I see no reason not to be optimistic about even Sony. They aren't on that Island the last I checked. Paramount will go along with whatever WB does and Panasonic's UHD BD clout in the U.S. is selling a handful of UHD players.

[BozQ]

I don't think it will be that huge. I believe most of the UHD BDs will be HDR10. With a select few mastered in Dolby Vision. Pretty much like how most of the BDs are released with 7.1 soundtracks, and only some in Dolby Atmos.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by bruceames

I never said floodgates but I see no reason not to be optimistic about even Sony. They aren't on that Island the last I checked. Paramount will go along with whatever WB does and Panasonic's UHD BD clout in the U.S. is selling a handful of UHD players.

Sony are weirdos though, with their various departments each pulling in a different direction e.g. planned Dolby Vision support for their TVs but no word whatsoever on a DV update for their UHD Blu player, and then there's using Dolby's HDR tech to master their HDR material in general but there's no hint of a word about DV support on disc (they were conspicuously absent from the CES bit about DV on disc). And the CE tech side is most definitely not the same as the home video side - not that the tech sides appears to be agreeing with each other anyway! (see above)

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by BozQ

I don't think it will be that huge. I believe most of the UHD BDs will be HDR10. With a select few mastered in Dolby Vision. Pretty much like how most of the BDs are released with 7.1 soundtracks, and only some in Dolby Atmos.

Well the format is gonna need some form of dynamic HDR as it gains steam, in order to make the format more attractive to buyers of lower end HDR displays or more generally those that don't come close to meeting HDR Premium specs. I don't see it being anything but DV right now, but true it's not quite a slam dunk yet.

Of course lessor titles and movies from minor distributors and many catalogs may not get the DV layer and just continue to be base HDR10. I don't know the extra cost or effort associated with adding the DV layer so I couldn't say.

[Geoff D]

Yeah, I was thinking that the added encoding complexity of DV (plus the licensing costs for the indie distributors) would likely mean that it's not going to be used on every little thing, see the mini-movies on the Despicable Me discs for a start.

But if the majors continue to use 4000 nit grades for HDR10 then that's one of DV's intended USPs taken care of already, it's more the extended bit depth (which may/may not see huge improvements on anything but animation, particularly considering panels are mostly 10-bit anyway so the 12-bit source will still need to be dithered back down to 10-bit) and special sauce metadata (for remapping to less than fully specced TVs) that are the biggest draws right about now.

[puddy77]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I don't think the floodgates are gonna open just yet, and where was it said that Paramount and Sony are going to be releasing DV on disc? And don't forget Panasonic, they're on that HDR10-only island too.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Sony are weirdos though, with their various departments each pulling in a different direction e.g. planned Dolby Vision support for their TVs but no word whatsoever on a DV update for their UHD Blu player, and then there's using Dolby's HDR tech to master their HDR material in general but there's no hint of a word about DV support on disc (they were conspicuously absent from the CES bit about DV on disc). And the CE tech side is most definitely not the same as the home video side - not that the tech sides appears to be agreeing with each other anyway! (see above)

While neither Paramount nor Sony have explicitly announced DV discs yet, they both release DV grades online. Paramount on Vudu, Sony on Amazon. So the masters and the workflow are already there. It would be a waste to keep them online only. Fox is the only studio that has made no inclinations whatsoever towards DV home grades, probably because of their close relationship with Samsung.

[Geoff D]

I know they've both done DV grades online, but one still doesn't automatically equal the other especially at Sony where internal politics seem to take on a hellish new dimension about what dept. should be doing what, lest we forget Sony's own 4K streaming app.

Not saying it'll never happen for those two, just that a few more stars might need to align first. The irony is that these DV discs are probably being authored with Sony software and pressed at Sony DADC!

[BozQ]

Yeah. And Sony failed to include UHD BD playback on the PlayStation 4 Pro. Most painful miss. Such a huge waste. I'd have traded in my old PS4 and gotten this right away.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by BozQ

Yeah. And Sony failed to include UHD BD playback on the PlayStation 4 Pro. Most painful miss. Such a huge waste. I'd have traded in my old PS4 and gotten this right away.

Keep in mind you should treat Sony Electronics vs. Sony Studios/Home Video vs. Sony TVs vs. PlayStation division as separate entities that often don't talk to each other.


I'm sure Sony Home Video was just as disappointed.

[Elbie]

Originally Posted by BozQ

Yeah. And Sony failed to include UHD BD playback on the PlayStation 4 Pro. Most painful miss. Such a huge waste. I'd have traded in my old PS4 and gotten this right away.

So mad about this. I would have zero reason to buy a Blu-ray player. Now my PS4 just hanging out collecting dust because I don't game much anymore.

[trippledx3]

Originally Posted by BozQ

Yeah. And Sony failed to include UHD BD playback on the PlayStation 4 Pro. Most painful miss. Such a huge waste. I'd have traded in my old PS4 and gotten this right away.

actually the news today says the ps4 pro WILL play uhd blurays after a update!

[legends of beyond]

Originally Posted by trippledx3

actually the news today says the ps4 pro WILL play uhd blurays after a update!

It supports 4K video from external sources now. Anything else is false.

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by trippledx3

actually the news today says the ps4 pro WILL play uhd blurays after a update!

Pretty sure you're mistaken. There is no 4K Blu-ray drive in the console, no amount of update is going to change that.

[joenostalgia23]

Check the date people.

[s_har]

Originally Posted by BozQ

Yeah. And Sony failed to include UHD BD playback on the PlayStation 4 Pro. Most painful miss. Such a huge waste. I'd have traded in my old PS4 and gotten this right away.

Yeah, I always found this to be a really weird decision by Sony. After all, don't they in some way own the licensing rights to format or something? (please correct me if I'm wrong here).
And they are releasing UHD discs themselves. So shouldn't it be in their own interest to promote the format? PS3 playing Blu-rays helped that format immensely, it's weird they don't wanna see the same thing happening with UHD discs. Particularly when even Xbox One plays UHD discs these days.