Oblivion 4K UHD (2013) - Page 53 - Blu-ray Forum

Geoff D · 05-06-2018, 10:37 AM

That's 'cause the OPPO's sharpening control barely affects 4K playback, if at all.

Mierzwiak · 05-10-2018, 11:10 PM

I bought Oblivion in 4K Dolby Vision on iTunes and it has nothing to do with the screens from UHD.

I compared it with Blu-ray and it looks the same in terms of details and sharpness. (there are obvious differences in grain / noise presentation, but nothing dramatic)

Color palette is also the same, no overly warm image, just beautiful, stylish, colder look.

The question is: Universal, WTF happened with the disc version?

RockyIII · 05-11-2018, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

I bought Oblivion in 4K Dolby Vision on iTunes and it has nothing to do with the screens from UHD.

I compared it with Blu-ray and it looks the same in terms of details and sharpness. (there are obvious differences in grain / noise presentation, but nothing dramatic)

Color palette is also the same, no overly warm image, just beautiful, stylish, colder look.

The question is: Universal, WTF happened with the disc version?

Are you saying that iTunes and UHD are from different sources?

Mierzwiak · 05-11-2018, 09:45 AM

Looks like they are.

I'm from Poland so I bough it on Polish iTunes, judging by the languages it should be the same in all European stores. I don't know about the US.

RockyIII · 05-11-2018, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

Looks like they are.

I'm from Poland so I bough it on Polish iTunes, judging by the languages it should be the same in all European stores. I don't know about the US.

If there is such difference in sharpness and color temperature, I would assume the iTune and the UHD come from different transfers?

Mierzwiak · 05-11-2018, 10:45 AM

To - Blu-ray, bottom - iTunes. There's no difference in color temperature.

RockyIII · 05-11-2018, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

To - Blu-ray, bottom - iTunes. There's no difference in color temperature.

Bluray also seems to suffer of greater black crush (rock formation where Tom is sitting upon)

Mierzwiak · 05-11-2018, 11:00 AM

Oh no please don't judge shadow details, they're just crushed by my phone (here's a screenshot from the site https://images3.static-bluray.com/re...26_5_1080p.jpg) on the top pic and a little bit more visible on bottom one because of backlight being set to max in HDR mode.

RockyIII · 05-11-2018, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

Oh no please don't judge shadow details, they're just crushed by my phone (here's a screenshot from the site https://images3.static-bluray.com/re...26_5_1080p.jpg) on the top pic and a little bit more visible on bottom one because of backlight being set to max in HDR mode.

So in general lines, iTunes looks better than bluray?

Vangeli · 05-11-2018, 11:32 AM

Are you sure you're streaming the UHD version? The movie page will show UHD but if you don't own the rights to UHD it'll stream the standard 1080p version, and judging by your screenshots that seems to be exactly what's happening given no difference I can see between the two.

Any color or brightness differences would be due to the Apple TV likely being in forced HDR mode and doing it's own SDR->HDR conversion.

RockyIII · 05-11-2018, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Vangeli

Are you sure you're streaming the UHD version? The movie page will show UHD but if you don't own the rights to UHD it'll stream the standard 1080p version, and judging by your screenshots that seems to be exactly what's happening given no difference I can see between the two.

Any color or brightness differences would be due to the Apple TV likely being in forced HDR mode and doing it's own SDR->HDR conversion.

If he hits 'Pause' the Info display should appear on the screen

Mierzwiak · 05-11-2018, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyIII

So in general lines, iTunes looks better than bluray?

It looks the same in terms of image quality but better because it's HDR (I don't have Dolby Vision TV... yet

)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vangeli

Are you sure you're streaming the UHD version? The movie page will show UHD but if you don't own the rights to UHD it'll stream the standard 1080p version, and judging by your screenshots that seems to be exactly what's happening given no difference I can see between the two.

Any color or brightness differences would be due to the Apple TV likely being in forced HDR mode and doing it's own SDR->HDR conversion.

What do you mean by not owning the rights to UHD version?

No SDR -> HDR conversion takes place since I have "match dynamic range" option enabled and my main setup is SDR 50Hz. (there's no reason to have menu in HDR)

We need more people to check it!

RockyIII · 05-11-2018, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mierzwiak

It looks the same in terms of image quality but better because it's HDR (I don't have Dolby Vision TV... yet

)

What do you mean by not owning the rights to UHD version?

No SDR -> HDR conversion takes place since I have "match dynamic range" option enabled and my main setup is SDR 50Hz. (there's no reason to have menu in HDR)

We need more people to check it!

But if that's true it simply means that there are TWO different transfers being used for UHD disc and for iTune streaming respectively

Vangeli · 05-11-2018, 12:56 PM

Strange. I'm seeing the same old warm UHD stream on mine. The Universal logo at the beginning was very soft so I figure it's the same master as the disc.

RockyIII · 05-11-2018, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Vangeli

Strange. I'm seeing the same old warm UHD stream on mine. The Universal logo at the beginning was very soft so I figure it's the same master as the disc.

Very odd indeed

Brahmzy · 05-11-2018, 03:04 PM

The disc is definitely a botched release. Needs to be redone in a bad way.

Mierzwiak · 05-11-2018, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vangeli

Strange. I'm seeing the same old warm UHD stream on mine. The Universal logo at the beginning was very soft so I figure it's the same master as the disc.

Weird.

Is it possible there's some kind of problem and it streams me 1080p version (maybe my connection speed was too low at that moment) instead of 4K BUT with HDR metadata?

I'm gonna check it again after work.

Mierzwiak · 05-11-2018, 09:10 PM

OK guys, here we go.

I played the movie again (starting from the beginning) and once again it looked as sharp as Blu-ray, with the same colors.

That's where things start to get interesting: I got back to Oblivion's main page and played movie again, from the last time played and there it is - much softer, warmer version, the same as on screens from UHD.

What is happenning?

I don't think it has anything to do with my connection speed which is fine and every other movie plays nice as it should, maybe this is some kind of bug on Apple TV, or other problem on iTunes side?

PS. Now I see that previously, even though my TV maxed the backlight just like every other time when the HDR video is played, it was just nothing more than just the setting. Now I see the movie is really in HDR and it looks gorgeous. (Well, minus softer image)

Ruined · 07-10-2018, 12:03 AM

Looks like this is gonna be $10-$13 on amazon in 20min

NightKing · 07-10-2018, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruined

Looks like this is gonna be $10-$13 on amazon in 20min

Appreciate the tip, just ordered.

05-11-2018, 09:10 PM	#1058
Mierzwiak Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Feb 2015 4K collection:247 Blu-ray collection:534 Digital collection:3	OK guys, here we go. I played the movie again (starting from the beginning) and once again it looked as sharp as Blu-ray, with the same colors. That's where things start to get interesting: I got back to Oblivion's main page and played movie again, from the last time played and there it is - much softer, warmer version, the same as on screens from UHD. What is happenning? I don't think it has anything to do with my connection speed which is fine and every other movie plays nice as it should, maybe this is some kind of bug on Apple TV, or other problem on iTunes side? PS. Now I see that previously, even though my TV maxed the backlight just like every other time when the HDR video is played, it was just nothing more than just the setting. Now I see the movie is really in HDR and it looks gorgeous. (Well, minus softer image) Last edited by Mierzwiak; 05-11-2018 at 09:16 PM.

05-06-2018, 10:37 AM	#1041
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	That's 'cause the OPPO's sharpening control barely affects 4K playback, if at all.

05-10-2018, 11:10 PM	#1042
Mierzwiak Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Feb 2015 4K collection:247 Blu-ray collection:534 Digital collection:3	I bought Oblivion in 4K Dolby Vision on iTunes and it has nothing to do with the screens from UHD. I compared it with Blu-ray and it looks the same in terms of details and sharpness. (there are obvious differences in grain / noise presentation, but nothing dramatic) Color palette is also the same, no overly warm image, just beautiful, stylish, colder look. The question is: Universal, WTF happened with the disc version?

05-11-2018, 09:45 AM	#1044
Mierzwiak Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Feb 2015 4K collection:247 Blu-ray collection:534 Digital collection:3	Looks like they are. I'm from Poland so I bough it on Polish iTunes, judging by the languages it should be the same in all European stores. I don't know about the US.

05-11-2018, 10:45 AM	#1046
Mierzwiak Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Feb 2015 4K collection:247 Blu-ray collection:534 Digital collection:3	To - Blu-ray, bottom - iTunes. There's no difference in color temperature.

05-11-2018, 11:00 AM	#1048
Mierzwiak Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Feb 2015 4K collection:247 Blu-ray collection:534 Digital collection:3	Oh no please don't judge shadow details, they're just crushed by my phone (here's a screenshot from the site https://images3.static-bluray.com/re...26_5_1080p.jpg) on the top pic and a little bit more visible on bottom one because of backlight being set to max in HDR mode.

05-11-2018, 11:32 AM	#1050
Vangeli Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Apr 2017 Location:Maine, US Trading Score:3	Are you sure you're streaming the UHD version? The movie page will show UHD but if you don't own the rights to UHD it'll stream the standard 1080p version, and judging by your screenshots that seems to be exactly what's happening given no difference I can see between the two. Any color or brightness differences would be due to the Apple TV likely being in forced HDR mode and doing it's own SDR->HDR conversion.

05-11-2018, 12:56 PM	#1054
Vangeli Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Apr 2017 Location:Maine, US Trading Score:3	Strange. I'm seeing the same old warm UHD stream on mine. The Universal logo at the beginning was very soft so I figure it's the same master as the disc.

05-11-2018, 03:04 PM	#1056
Brahmzy Senior Member Member since:Dec 2014 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Digital collection:- iTunes collection:- Trading Score:28	The disc is definitely a botched release. Needs to be redone in a bad way.

07-10-2018, 12:03 AM	#1059
Ruined Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Sep 2009 Blu-ray collection:1 Trading Score:1	Looks like this is gonna be $10-$13 on amazon in 20min

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