Oblivion 4K UHD (2013)

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I don't hate 6500K and I use it on 80% of what I watch. I just feel that it is not a good choice for some content, such as:
A) Selected movies
B) TV series and sitcoms
C) Sports
D) Documentaries
E) Daytime shows (news, talk shows, etc.)

Ever watched the Winter Olympics in 6500K? Just plain fugly

Think about it this way. The purpose of calibrating your greyscale to 6500K is to make sure all the shades in the greyscale is accurately presenting that shade. 6503K is the color white. Don’t think of 6500k as being warm. Think of it as white is white. If your below 6500k then it’s warmer than white which means white has more red in it. Above 6500k is cooler meaning more blue in white so it’s not really white anymore. When a calibrator is working he’s trying to get all steps in the greyscale to match the shade perfectly without any push in color. If the low end of the greyscale (dark grey) has too much red then shadows can look brownish or if too much blue is in the image than it can look purple. If too much red in the white then of course the image will look to hot or warm. When you measure the 10 point greyscale you are looking for errros in the shades. In my opinion display manufacturers should have never called colour temperature warm or cool because technically the warm setting which on most displays will be closest to 6500k is the normal setting. I like Vizios approach by calling 6500k normal because that’s what it is. You probably think Olympics or whatever you are watching on your OLED looks ugly because there is too much yellow which means you probably have a red and green push. If you watch a properly calibrated display for a while a slight push in greyscale can be glaring. I know for a fact my OLED is too “warm”. It’s probably sitting around 6100k. I can live with it until I pick my new meter but if it pushed towards blue I wouldn’t be able to stand it. When I calibrate my greyscale if I see errors I won’t rest until I get the image as close to 6503k as I can. It’s one of the reasons why I’m not a projector owner anymore. They shift too much because they have bulbs. I was calibrating all the time. I hated it.

Commercial theatres are warmer around 5400 because it’s a massive image in a completely dark room so it’s softer on the eyes so the audience won’t get eye fatigue. And that’s a properly calibrated projector. I know for a fact that the projectors in my local theatre are much warmer because I don’t think they bother calibrating them as much as they should. Think about it like you’re shopping for light bulbs. My wife replaced our light bulbs in my theatre room with 60 watt 5000k bulbs. I noticed right away that my room looked brighter and harsher compared to the soft white of 2700k. Even she hated it, we replaced them with 2700k and it’s more inviting now.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Think about it this way. The purpose of calibrating your greyscale to 6500K is to make sure all the shades in the greyscale is accurately presenting that shade. 6503K is the color white. Don’t think of 6500k as being warm. Think of it as white is white. If your below 6500k then it’s warmer than white which means white has more red in it. Above 6500k is cooler meaning more blue in white so it’s not really white anymore. When a calibrator is working he’s trying to get all steps in the greyscale to match the shade perfectly without any push in color. If the low end of the greyscale (dark grey) has too much red then shadows can look brownish or if too much blue is in the image than it can look purple. If too much red in the white then of course the image will look to hot or warm. When you measure the 10 point greyscale you are looking for errros in the shades. In my opinion display manufacturers should have never called colour temperature warm or cool because technically the warm setting which on most displays will be closest to 6500k is the normal setting. I like Vizios approach by calling 6500k normal because that’s what it is. You probably think Olympics or whatever you are watching on your OLED looks ugly because there is too much yellow which means you probably have a red and green push. If you watch a properly calibrated display for a while a slight push in greyscale can be glaring. I know for a fact my OLED is too “warm”. It’s probably sitting around 6100k. I can live with it until I pick my new meter but if it pushed towards blue I wouldn’t be able to stand it. When I calibrate my greyscale if I see errors I won’t rest until I get the image as close to 6503k as I can. It’s one of the reasons why I’m not a projector owner anymore. They shift too much because they have bulbs. I was calibrating all the time. I hated it.

Commercial theatres are warmer around 5400 because it’s a massive image in a completely dark room so it’s softer on the eyes so the audience won’t get eye fatigue. And that’s a properly calibrated projector. I know for a fact that the projectors in my local theatre are much warmer because I don’t think they bother calibrating them as much as they should. Think about it like you’re shopping for light bulbs. My wife replaced our light bulbs in my theatre room with 60 watt 5000k bulbs. I noticed right away that my room looked brighter and harsher compared to the soft white of 2700k. Even she hated it, we replaced them with 2700k and it’s more inviting now.

I know all that. But if snow looks yellow during the Winter Games (just an example) I know for a fact that I wont leave it on Warm 2 just because it's supposed to be the closest one to 6500K on an uncalibrated Oled tv

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Why being limited to one color temperature when our TVs offer a broad selection?
I was revisisitng Miss Peregrine in UHD and any color temperature colder than Warm 2 looked too cold and sickly. But then I went to watch Hulu's original series Marvel's Runaways and Warm 2 over cooked the picture so I selected Medium instead, and all skin tones, green grass, dark rooms, blue skies, came back to life.
Choices my friends. There is a reason why our TV sets are not stuck to just ONE color temperature.

Yeah, but not the reason you think why.

In a perfect world, TVs would be factory set to 6500K already with no other options left available.

Anyway, Oblivion.

I'm still thinking of getting this on UHD, but the comments in here concerning the transfer is what has kept me from doing so. I think someone here mentioned the iTunes stream looks better. Anyone care to elaborate on that? I still have some iTunes credit left to spare, might as well spend it on this then if it's really better looking than the disc version.

[ROSS.T.G.]

I don’t think you do though. If your snow looks like piss than I would say it’s time to pay for a calibration or get a new tv.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

Well if your snow looks like piss than I would say it’s time to pay for a calibration or get a new tv.

Once I change color temperature to medium snow looks like snow again
Also let me add that I am not a "cool temperature" fanboy per se, and many times I may start watching a movie and I immediately feel like the color temp is messing with the natural shades. In fact, most movies I watch are in Warm 2.
But when it comes to TV content, sports, live events, news, more often than not what works for movies doesn't work the same way and picture looks too over cooked.

[punisher]

well I watch a lot of Ice hockey and I don't like yellow ice..lol. A little cooler on both my plasma and OLED tv's works just fine. Don't let anyone tell you just cause it measures correctly that you"must' watch it that way. Watch it any way you like that appeals to you. It's your tv.

[ROSS.T.G.]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I don't hate 6500K and I use it on 80% of what I watch. I just feel that it is not a good choice for some content, such as:
A) Selected movies
B) TV series and sitcoms
C) Sports
D) Documentaries
E) Daytime shows (news, talk shows, etc.)

Ever watched the Winter Olympics in 6500K? Just plain fugly

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Once I change color temperature to medium snow looks like snow again
Also let me add that I am not a "cool temperature" fanboy per se, and many times I may start watching a movie and I immediately feel like the color temp is messing with the natural shades. In fact, most movies I watch are in Warm 2.
But when it comes to TV content, sports, live events, news, more often than not what works for movies doesn't work the same way and picture looks too over cooked.

I know, I get that. What I’m saying is if you have a properly set display you won’t feel the need to do that. Unless it’s some borked disc like TGTBTU everything you watch will look “normal”. Trust me.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by punisher

well I watch a lot of Ice hockey and I don't like yellow ice..lol. A little cooler on both my plasma and OLED tv's works just fine. Don't let anyone tell you just cause it measures correctly that you"must' watch it that way. Watch it any way you like that appeals to you. It's your tv.

In all honesty, I kinda have to agree with this also.

[ROSS.T.G.]

The problem is people think when they choose the warm 2 setting that it’s 6500k. It’s not! It might be the closest to 6500k that’s it. It usually has a significant push towards red and green which means ice and snow will look like piss.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by ROSS.T.G.

The problem is people think when they choose the warm 2 setting that it’s 6500k. It’s not! It might be the closest to 6500k that’s it. It usually has a significant push towards red and green which means ice and snow will look like piss.

For all we know both default Warm 2 and Warm 1 are equally off from 6500K, so choosing warm 1 or warm 2 on uncalibrated sets becomes a matter of preference

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by DJR662

In all honesty, I kinda have to agree with this also.

Preference over Reference, yes

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Preference over Reference, yes

My preference = reference.

[shield80]

When it is calibrated to 6500k then it would all look like it should look like.

Rocky's Display is not calibrated and therefore it would not look right and you got the green tint.

When I got my B7 calibrated I stopped fiddling with settings and my tv, now I just watch it and I know everything is right and looks the way it should look.

My preference=reference

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by shield80

When it is calibrated to 6500k then it would all look like it should look like.

Rocky's Display is not calibrated and therefore it would not look right and you got the green tint.

When I got my B7 calibrated I stopped fiddling with settings and my tv, now I just watch it and I know everything is right and looks the way it should look.

My preference=reference

And I thought pro calibration was very expensive in your country

[trekky76]

I use medium because it works the best for me and that's good enough.
It's not fair to talk about warm1 or warm2 as the correct setting when you got a manually calibrated display. Your display will not look the same as someone else's and white balance will behave differently.

[shield80]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

And I thought pro calibration was very expensive in your country

Got a good offer +I was not the only customer he did a calibration for, it was 5 others here where I live who wanted it to.
I paid 416 dollars for it and money well spent

Why buy an Oled and not calibrate it, my opinion

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by shield80

Got a good offer +I was not the only customer he did a calibration for, it was 5 others here where I live who wanted it to.
I paid 416 dollars for it and money well spent

Why buy an Oled and not calibrate it, my opinion

Budget limitations. An uncalibrated oled is still better than NO oled at all

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

A PS3 or PS4 is not a television. Shouldn't have to state that, but there we are. And people shouldn't be using a games console for any kind of reference disc playback (didn't the PS4 have to have DVD playback enabled in firmware or something, and it doesn't play CDs at all? Shows how much Sony care about optical disc on that machine). Shouldn't have to state that either, but there we are.

How certain am I? 100% Having run several sharpness test patterns on the various Sony TVs I've owned over the last few years I've noticed no oversharpening anomalies, and you'd think that all of the actual pros out there would've picked up on such a thing by now. If anything Sony's TV processing actually rolls off higher frequency detail and chroma resolution ever so slightly, at least when it comes to the TV's internal 1080p upscaling which is why I prefer to let an outboard player do the 4K uprezzing.

Well obviously they’re not TVs, it was just an example. My previous two Sony TVs were A1E and XBR850B, both had weird sharpness boost to my eyes while comparing to other brands.

Don’t knock on the gaming systems. Xbox One X is an exceptional UHD player, even with the RGB issue. I’ll be comparing it with the 820 soon enough. You couldn’t convince me to give it up for a Panasonic 900 or Sony 800/700.

[shield80]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Budget limitations. An uncalibrated oled is still better than NO oled at all

Naw not after you see what a calibration can do, too dark, color is wrong etc

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Budget limitations. An uncalibrated oled is still better than NO oled at all

OLED is the best thing to ever happen to home video. I cannot remember a time I enjoyed movies at home more than I do now.

If I had to pick the worst thing to happen to home video, it would absolutely be LCD.