Oblivion 4K UHD (2013)

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by singhcr

I saw it in theaters and it definitely had a very cold, blue look to it. It's not warm at all.

The whole post-apocalyptic thing...

[Okiephile]

Picked up Oblivion and Lucy for $8.50 each from Gruv. At that price it was time to upgrade my Blu-rays.

Edit: I’ll fess up the Blu-ray was great, the Atmos made me upgrade.

[Okiephile]

Originally Posted by Casual_G4m3r

I've never ordered from Gruv before.

Are these guys timely with their shipping, and are things well packed?

Any insight is welcome from all.

I’ve had great luck from Gruv, next day shipping and during sales a lot of 4K under $10. I would recommend.

[Freakyguy666]

Lots of pages but very few posting on theatrical color temp vs Bluray…as a big fan of this movie I watched it several times in imax and purchased the bluray immediately upon release and recall vividly not only my disappointment of the missing imax scenes I had enjoyed so much in theaters, but something about the colors seemed “off”…too cold relative to my imax experiences…was very happy to watch the UHD bring the theatrical color timing back…it should be noted that the UHD is not “overly warm” as has been implied on this thread…it’s simply warmer relative to the BD version….but to my mind’s eye, the UHD is much closer to the theatrical!

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by Freakyguy666

Lots of pages but very few posting on theatrical color temp vs Bluray…as a big fan of this movie I watched it several times in imax and purchased the bluray immediately upon release and recall vividly not only my disappointment of the missing imax scenes I had enjoyed so much in theaters, but something about the colors seemed “off”…too cold relative to my imax experiences…was very happy to watch the UHD bring the theatrical color timing back…it should be noted that the UHD is not “overly warm” as has been implied on this thread…it’s simply warmer relative to the BD version….but to my mind’s eye, the UHD is much closer to the theatrical!

[Okiephile]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

Definitely, out of the will.

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by Okiephile

Definitely, out of the will.

Sorry, if some people prefer the richer colors of the 4K, that’s their prerogative, but I’ll fight Tom-Hardy-in-BRONSON-style anyone who says the 4K better matches the look of the original theatrical exhibition. The BD’s comparatively cooler palette is what accomplishes that, while someone in Universal’s home video department got excited about the possibilities of WCG on this brand new UHD format and just started cranking all the dials on the board to the right.

[Okiephile]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

Sorry, if some people prefer the richer colors of the 4K, that’s their prerogative, but I’ll fight Tom-Hardy-in-BRONSON-style anyone who says the 4K better matches the look of the original theatrical exhibition. The BD’s comparatively cooler palette is what accomplishes that, while someone in Universal’s home video department got excited about the possibilities of WCG on this brand new UHD format and just started cranking all the dials on the board to the right.

Never saw it in the cinema, when I get the 4K I’ll definitely let you know what’s better! trying not to let the Atmos influence my decision.

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by Okiephile

Never saw it in the cinema, when I get the 4K I’ll definitely let you know what’s better! trying not to let the Atmos influence my decision.

If you don’t have the theatrical exhibition as a reference, you’ll probably like the more candied colors of the 4K because they’re, well, prettier (if less accurate). Of course, if you’re sensitive to DNR, that could drive you over to the BD (which is where you should be until Universal remasters this 4K correctly).

[Okiephile]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

If you don’t have the theatrical exhibition as a reference, you’ll probably like the more candied colors of the 4K because they’re, well, prettier (if less accurate). Of course, if you’re sensitive to DNR, that could drive you over to the BD (which is where you should be until Universal remasters this 4K correctly).

Worse case, only an $8 mistake and Predator didn’t bother me. I hate to start this but my 1080P projector looks more film-like than my 4K tv’s with any source.

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by Okiephile

I hate to start this but my 1080P projector looks more film-like than my 4K tv’s with any source.

This is why I was super picky with my 4K TV shopping and actually returned the first one I bought to Best Buy after about a week, mot cheaper 4K TVs can't deliver a film-like image, they're aimed at televised sports and video game fans, with smooth motion that can't entirely be disabled

[Okiephile]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

This is why I was super picky with my 4K TV shopping and actually returned the first one I bought to Best Buy after about a week, mot cheaper 4K TVs can't deliver a film-like image, they're aimed at televised sports and video game fans, with smooth motion that can't entirely be disabled

What did you buy and how much did you spend?

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by Okiephile

What did you buy and how much did you spend?

I originally bought a Samsung, because my 10-yer-old 1080p TV was a Samsung and I had always been happy with it.

I bought a 60hz 65" Samsung 4K TV, which cost about $600. I bought a 60hz instead of a 120hz because when I had a 1080p TV, 60hz TVs were incapable of doing motion smoothing, and I intentionally chose one over a 120hz TV. However, I absolutely hated the image on the Samsung 60hz 4K TV. It still had that soap opera effect, even when I turned all the motion smoothing settings off.

I had Best Buy come collect the TV for a refund after about a week.

I thought maybe a 120hz TV was the answer (since 24fps goes evenly into 120, I hoped maybe that would help), but I viewed a 120hz Samsung at a friend's house, and wasn't happy with that image either.

I asked some friends who work in professional motion picture post-production which TV they would recommend for the most film-like image.

To be clear, I don't watch sports on TV or play video games, I'd rather have dental work than do either of those things, lol. I use my TV exclusively as a monitor for movies.

Multiple friends I spoke to recommended the LG CX OLED TV as the best one.

I bought a 55" LG CX for about $1200, after testing it in the store.

Cheaper TVs at Best Buy are all displayed without remote controls, so you can't adjust anything or change the input. The higher-end TVs, however, are kept in the Magnolia section at Best Buy, and they have remotes for them and they can choose from multiple inputs. I tested about 5 or 6 TVs in the Magnolia section, and they let me switch off all the motion smoothing settings on all of them, and they changed the input to Kaleidoscope, a high-end streaming service. I wanted to actually plug my UHD player in the back and try a real disc (I brought the player and a few discs with me to the store), but the inputs are all blocked because the TVs are mounted on walls. Still, Kaleidoscope presents 4K streaming movies, so it looks pretty much like a UHD.

I tested scenes from about 3-4 movies on each TV, and I picked movies that were live action, not full of CG or animated movies. I think they were Captain Phillips, My Best Friend's Wedding, and a few others.

I spent about 45 minutes looking at everything, and I was happy with the LG CX in the end.

It's the only TV I could find where you could truly turn off every last morsel of motion smoothing.

What I found fascinating was that it still didn't look perfect until I turned off one final setting called Real Cinema, nominally designed to approximate 24fps. Only with that turned off did I finally got a pleasing image that looked film-like.

I realized that Real Cinema was still a processing program.

Obviously everyone's tastes will vary, but an LG, with absolutely every processing function turned off, even the allegedly "good" ones, was what I needed and have been happy with for a year.

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

To be clear, I don't watch sports on TV or play video games, I'd rather have dental work than do either of those things, lol. I use my TV exclusively as a monitor for movies.

[Brahmzy]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

…until Universal remasters this 4K correctly).

Been waiting for this since I day-one’d the current UHD BD. Complete botch-job in so many ways. Yes, the UHD has its moments of beauty and the HDR is amazing. So freaking soft compared to the BD though.

Needs a remaster bad. I’d even be fine leaving the colors alone. But bring back that razor sharp, crisp stuff that made the original BD. I’ve even made a custom MadVR profile just for this 4K disc to try and sharpen it up. It doesn’t help much - the information is just gone baby.

[Geoff D]

The Reality Creation on Sony TVs or the sharpness settings on Pannysonic players do wonders for this. Still doesn’t bring back the detail that’s been filtered off but makes it seem a lot sharper without inducing lots of artefacts..

[HDMan72]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The Reality Creation on Sony TVs or the sharpness settings on Pannysonic players do wonders for this. Still doesn’t bring back the detail that’s been filtered off but makes it seem a lot sharper without inducing lots of artefacts..

Do you have recommended starting point for Reality Creation? Been wanting to revisit this movie and I'm always trying to decide to watch the more detailed blu or go for less detail and enjoy that Atmos track.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by HDMan72

Do you have recommended starting point for Reality Creation? Been wanting to revisit this movie and I'm always trying to decide to watch the more detailed blu or go for less detail and enjoy that Atmos track.

Put it on manual and set the slider to 20. Or go with what you like, this has been filtered so heavily that it can withstand more aggressive treatment. (This is with the actual sharpness control set to the default median of 50.)

[HDMan72]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Put it on manual and set the slider to 20. Or go with what you like, this has been filtered so heavily that it can withstand more aggressive treatment. (This is with the actual sharpness control set to the default median of 50.)

Thanks.

[Okiephile]

[QUOTE=James Luckard;19864278]I originally bought a Samsung, because my 10-yer-old 1080p TV was a Samsung.

Funny, my best tv is a 12 year old Samsung plasma. Looks like OLED is the way to go. Thanks for all your input. I guess Sony or LG at this point. I would like a 4K projector that handles hdr but still out of my price range.