Oblivion 4K UHD (2013)

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Freakyguy666

Lots of pages but very few posting on theatrical color temp vs Bluray…as a big fan of this movie I watched it several times in imax and purchased the bluray immediately upon release and recall vividly not only my disappointment of the missing imax scenes I had enjoyed so much in theaters, but something about the colors seemed “off”…too cold relative to my imax experiences…was very happy to watch the UHD bring the theatrical color timing back…it should be noted that the UHD is not “overly warm” as has been implied on this thread…it’s simply warmer relative to the BD version….but to my mind’s eye, the UHD is much closer to the theatrical!

Exactly this. State of the art theaters such as IMAX, Arclight, etc., with properly calibrated projectors, rendered the colours closer to UHD. Second rate theaters looked more like the Blu-ray.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The Reality Creation on Sony TVs or the sharpness settings on Pannysonic players do wonders for this. Still doesn’t bring back the detail that’s been filtered off but makes it seem a lot sharper without inducing lots of artefacts..

Sony’s Reality Creation is hands down the ugliest out of any TV’s processing. It gives a super etched and bleached look. Like a cheap IG filter. One of the main reasons I’m not a fan of many Sony UHD’s, as they all have various levels of Reality Creation baked in.

[KubrickKurasawa]

Originally Posted by wxman2003

You can fix the raised black issue and eliminate 90% of the problem on the Sony by setting point 1 in the 20 point adjustment to -12, -12, -12. Even though it should not have an effect on near blacks below 3%, it does. Display a 1 through 5% slide, flip between the modified 1st point and a non modified 1st point, and you will notice 1 through 3% are not as bright with the adjustment. So near blacks are no where near as elevated as before. I did that with my Sony A90J, and it now handles near blacks a lot better. You could probably lower all the way down to -15, -15, -15 and have a better gamma curve below 5%.

Or just throw it out a window. I prefer easy smart solutions.

[grape_jelly]

Just watched this for the first time

Had a wonderful time. Not sure why the RT scores are so half-baked on this one. Sure, it was a little tropey, but what sci-fi isn't these days? All in all a solid blind buy for me.

Onward and upward.

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Sony’s Reality Creation is hands down the ugliest out of any TV’s processing. It gives a super etched and bleached look. Like a cheap IG filter. One of the main reasons I’m not a fan of many Sony UHD’s, as they all have various levels of Reality Creation baked in.

Mate,

You need to visit SpecSavers. You seem to be mixing up X-Tended Dynamic Range and Reality Creation. The former could give SDR a bleached look if set to High. It's meant to turned off on SDR or worst case set to Low.

These settings are meant to be used judiciously depending upon the source material. It's not an one size fits all solution.

I have had a LG 65C8 OLED and also have a Panny GZ OKED, none of these come close to Sony with respect to these 2 features.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

I originally bought a Samsung, because my 10-yer-old 1080p TV was a Samsung and I had always been happy with it.

I bought a 60hz 65" Samsung 4K TV , which cost about $600. I bought a 60hz instead of a 120hz because when I had a 1080p TV, 60hz TVs were incapable of doing motion smoothing, and I intentionally chose one over a 120hz TV. However, I absolutely hated the image on the TV. It had that soap opera effect, even when I turned all the motion smoothing settings turned off.

I had Best Buy come collect the TV for a refund after about a week.

I thought maybe a 120hz TV was the answer (since 24fps goes evenly into 120, I hoped maybe that would help), but I viewed a 120hz Samsung at a friend's house, and wasn't happy with that image either.

I asked some friends who work in professional motion picture post-production which TV they would recommend for the most film-like image.

To be clear, I don't watch sports on TV or play video games, I'd rather have dental work than do either of those things, lol. I use my TV exclusively as a monitor for movies.

Multiple friends I spoke to recommended the LG CX OLED TV as the best one.

I bought a 55" LG CX for about $1200, after testing it in the store.

Cheaper TVs at Best Buy are all displayed without remote controls, so you can't adjust anything or change the input. The higher-end TVs, however, are kept in the Magnolia section at Best Buy, and they have remotes for them and they can choose from multiple inputs. I tested about 5 or 6 TVs in the Magnolia section, and they let me switch off all the motion smoothing settings on all of them, and they changed the input to Kaleidoscope, a high-end streaming service. I wanted to actually plug my UHD player in the back and try a real disc (I brought the player and a few discs with me to the store), but the inputs are all blocked because the TVs are mounted on walls. Still, Kaleidoscope presents 4K streaming movies, so it looks pretty much like a UHD.

I tested scenes from about 3-4 movies on each TV, and I picked movies that were live action, not full of CG or animated movies. I think they were Captain Phillips, My Best Friend's Wedding, and a few others.

I spent about 45 minutes looking at everything, and I was happy with the LG CX in the end.

It's the only TV I could find where you could truly turn off every last morsel of motion smoothing.

What I found fascinating was that it still didn't look perfect until I turned off one final setting called Real Cinema, nominally designed to approximate 24fps. Only with that turned off did I finally got a pleasing image that looked film-like.

I realized that Real Cinema was still a processing program.

Obviously everyone's tastes will vary, but an LG, with absolutely every processing function turned off, even the allegedly "good" ones, was what I needed and have been happy with for a year.

If I spend that much time testing 4K TVs in the store, I would be exhausted and burned out literally. I don't think the technicians at the manufacturer spend that much time testing their own TVs because if they did, the customers wouldn't have so many problems with them! The TVs that are on display is not going to look the same at home as they do inside the store because of the lighting, regardless of what the customer do to it. A person will have to determine the true picture quality is when the TV is inside the home. The same as when you're listening to speakers and other audio equipment. It's not going to sound the same at home because of the difference size of the room and the acoustics.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Mate,

You need to visit SpecSavers. You seem to be mixing up X-Tended Dynamic Range and Reality Creation. The former could give SDR a bleached look if set to High. It's meant to turned off on SDR or worst case set to Low.

These settings are meant to be used judiciously depending upon the source material. It's not an one size fits all solution.

I have had a LG 65C8 OLED and also have a Panny GZ OKED, none of these come close to Sony with respect to these 2 features.

Best not to feed.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by lgans316

Mate,

You need to visit SpecSavers. You seem to be mixing up X-Tended Dynamic Range and Reality Creation. The former could give SDR a bleached look if set to High. It's meant to turned off on SDR or worst case set to Low.

These settings are meant to be used judiciously depending upon the source material. It's not an one size fits all solution.

I have had a LG 65C8 OLED and also have a Panny GZ OKED, none of these come close to Sony with respect to these 2 features.

Brew, I’m aware of how it works and when it should be used. I just despise the look, even when set to low. Sony TV’s have Reality Creation permanently baked in, even when set to off. This is why I don’t use Sony TV’s anymore. And it’s not pleasant watching their UHD’s, as it has Reality Creation baked into the master and brings that etched Sony TV look to my non Sony TV’s. It’s even now baked into Sony photo cameras and film cameras, projectors, movies, etc.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Best not to feed.

If you have nothing to add to the discussion, then maybe work on your next compression thesis instead of trolling this forum 24/7?

[Bostonyte]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Brew, I’m aware of how it works and when it should be used. I just despise the look, even when set to low. Sony TV’s have Reality Creation permanently baked in, even when set to off. This is why I don’t use Sony TV’s anymore. And it’s not pleasant watching their UHD’s, as it has Reality Creation baked into the master and brings that etched Sony TV look to my non Sony TV’s. It’s even now baked into Sony photo cameras and film cameras, projectors, movies, etc.

Sorry Geoff, I have to feed the troll! Sony puts out some of the best looking UHD movies on the market, so as lgans316 recommended, go have your eyes checked. Maybe the lack of light under that bridge has done irreparable damage?

[Geoff D]

I told you not to feed!

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Bostonyte

Sorry Geoff, I have to feed the troll! Sony puts out some of the best looking UHD movies on the market, so as lgans316 recommended, go have your eyes checked. Maybe the lack of light under that bridge has done irreparable damage?

Sony has put out the most processed UHD’s out of any studio. So if that’s what you mean by best, then I won’t argue. When someone has no opinion of their own and has nothing interesting to say, they tend to resort to personal attacks. I see nothing has changed here…

[gates70]

Originally Posted by noremac mij

sony has put out the most processed uhd’s out of any studio. So if that’s what you mean by best, then i won’t argue. When someone has no opinion of their own and has nothing interesting to say, they tend to resort to personal attacks. I see nothing has changed here…

lol

[KMFDMvsEnya]

So did anyone manage to take some screencaps of the fabled itunes 4K stream?
Is the grading like the original blu-ray or the UHD grading?

[lgans316]

Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya

So did anyone manage to take some screencaps of the fabled itunes 4K stream?
Is the grading like the original blu-ray or the UHD grading?

It looks similar to the disc. DNR on parts (mild to heavy). Need to check again.

[The Admiral]

Originally Posted by gates70

lol

I second that lol

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by mkc

My humble opinion is the Blu-ray looks over-sharpened compared to the 4K. Yes, the 4K does look a little soft, but I think it looks more natural and unfettered compared to the Blu-ray.

That opinion is, indeed, very, very humble.

[aetherhole]

It's all relative, right?

I will watch the UHD version over blu-ray, hands down, as I think the HDR implementation makes it a lot better, but yeah, I'm fully aware it is softer and DNR'ed...

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by aetherhole

It's all relative, right?

Whether you prefer the sacrifice of high frequency details in exchange for “prettier” colors or vice versa is entirely relative. But it is not relative to state that the BD is sharpened and the softer look of the 4K is more accurate—the 4K has missing high-frequency details. That’s not a matter of opinion. That’s fact.

[aetherhole]

True and I'm not disagreeing with ya really. My point was the statement "over-sharpened" could be a statement of relativity. It COULD look "over-sharpened" versus the UHD; the UHD COULD look overly softened versus the blu-ray. In other words, two sides of the same coin. Which is more accurate? Most of us will agree that the UHD was artificially softened because of a loss of detail that once was there.