4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Throwback Thursday post from last March…

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

If, over the upcoming years, and I emphasize the words ‘if’ and ‘years’, the LED LCD manufacturers precipitate a nits race (which, accept it or not, increased brightness will appeal to Joe and Jane consumer in the typical showroom)….akin to an arms race….

And so, the first inkling of intentions for higher and higher luminance (dem nits) begins….http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09...=1442507309513

I can just envision the future debates between 'absolute black' aficionados and those who see more value in average and peak brightness with the displayed content.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Finally, the RED folks have acknowledged the value of HDR (with something other than in camera HDRx) and stepped up to the HDR plate at IBC with HDR monitoring output in PQ (ST 2084) support available (with some but not all of their cameras) - http://www.broadcastingcable.com/new...ologies/144152

In the future, as we advance further and further with HDR implementation becoming the defacto imaging standard (as opposed to the historic (and truncated) display range known as ‘SDR’, which my buddy Mike still clings too ), practically speaking, one of the most relevant issues those thinking ahead (post production costs) will be concerned with is which camera….the REDS, the Sony F55/65, the Alexas? will provide the most noiseless image for colorists to work with in post because.....noise is unfriendly to HDR grading.

Are you paid per namedrop of my name? And don't call it SDR that's like calling a "high" resolution screen a "retina" display.
It's marketing rubbish. More so as they can't decide on a standard.
Plus its all well saying that you were worried about older movies being graded, but where is the proof all the Fox 2k UHD titles were approved by either Directors or DOP's?

[Geoff D]

To be fair Mike those Fox titles are all recent films so it wouldn't surprise me if the HDR versions were already done and dusted as part of the usual grading passes for the home video iterations. It's interesting that on the UHD M-Go service the theatrical cut of DOFP is regular UHD while the just-recently-completed Rogue Cut is available in UHD HDR. Life of Pi is a little older but HDR clips have been doing the rounds for a while, Ang Lee seems to love his tech so it wouldn't surprise me if he signed off on that a while ago. [edit] Yep, according to Fox Lee approved the final HDR master for Pi (ditto for Ridley Scott and Exodus): https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/ces...020548334.html

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

To be fair Mike those Fox titles are all recent films so it wouldn't surprise me if the HDR versions were already done and dusted as part of the usual grading passes for the home video iterations. It's interesting that on the UHD M-Go service the theatrical cut of DOFP is regular UHD while the just-recently-completed Rogue Cut is available in UHD HDR. Life of Pi is a little older but HDR clips have been doing the rounds for a while, Ang Lee seems to love his tech so it wouldn't surprise me if he signed off on that a while ago. [edit] Yep, according to Fox Lee approved the final HDR master for Pi (ditto for Ridley Scott and Exodus): https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/ces...020548334.html

See that is fine, if they are approved that is fine by me.
But not many will be I bet.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Are you paid per namedrop of my name?

You got me.

I might as well completely ‘fes up….. I also serve as an agent for Tanya

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

...More so as they can't decide on a standard.

Perhaps a two stage approach (don't try to do it all at once) to setting HDR standards be best.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Perhaps a two stage approach (don't try to do it all at once) to setting HDR standards be best.

^ Like as reported 3 hours later at the very end of The Hollywood Reporter article by Carolyn here…..http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/beh...ange-is-824151

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

like calling a "high" resolution screen a "retina" display.

Actually the resolution marketing claim by Steve Jobs of Apple was purrty (we’ve got a cat in our family now ) accurate based upon 20/20 visual acuity, but as Dr. Beaudot explains “The significance of the 20/20 standard can be best thought of as the lower limit of the normal visual acuity”.….http://www.kybervision.com/Blog/file...naDisplay.html and upon which that infamous colored graph makes an appearance on consumer video forums every 6 months or so.

As also previously scientifically discussed and illustrated here.

Originally Posted by dvdmike

"retina"

Real world Friday resolution Pearl:
Regarding those who are able to truly *make a difference* in “retina” (and vitreous), meaning beyond offering entertainment services…..more like changing the quality of peoples’ lives , this is one of the, or perhaps thee most prestigious training program in all the United States -> http://bascompalmer.org/physician-re...ina-fellowship

Take home message? The Fellows are taught by some of the best ophthalmic teachers/health care providers there are. So, for those Blu-ray.com members/readers with parents or grandparents living in South Florida and confronted with a “retina” problem, or, for that matter any eye problem originating from the cornea to the optic nerve, tell ‘em Penton says Bascom Palmer’s the place to go for help.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Actually the resolution marketing claim by Steve Jobs of Apple was purrty (we’ve got a cat in our family now ) accurate based upon 20/20 visual acuity, but as Dr. Beaudot explains “The significance of the 20/20 standard can be best thought of as the lower limit of the normal visual acuity”.….http://www.kybervision.com/Blog/file...naDisplay.html and upon which that infamous colored graph makes an appearance on consumer video forums every 6 months or so.

As also previously scientifically discussed and illustrated here.

Real world Friday resolution Pearl:
Regarding those who are able to truly *make a difference* in “retina” (and vitreous), meaning beyond offering entertainment services…..more like changing the quality of peoples’ lives , this is one of the, or perhaps thee most prestigious training program in all the United States -> http://bascompalmer.org/physician-re...ina-fellowship

Take home message? The Fellows are taught by some of the best ophthalmic teachers/health care providers there are. So, for those Blu-ray.com members/readers with parents or grandparents living in South Florida and confronted with a “retina” problem, or, for that matter any eye problem originating from the cornea to the optic nerve, tell ‘em Penton says Bascom Palmer’s the place to go for help.

High, and higher resolution screens existed before.
They are just very good at sticking a name on things.

[spectre08]

speaking of higher and higher resolution, I figure I'm about a month maybe 2 away from replacing both the monitors on my PC with 4K ones. I am very excite.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

High, and higher resolution screens existed before.
They are just very good at sticking a name on things.

I take it you disagree with Dr. Beaudot’s assertion at the very end of the article saying “but so far Apple "Retina Display" is the closest thing ever done in display technology for the consumer market that matches the human retina resolution at these short distances”.

[yanghao6998]

I have a question:
Since 4K Blu Rays are going to be thing, should I stop buying regular Blu Rays now and wait for 4K re releases for all the movies I want to buy ?

[Coenskubrick]

Originally Posted by yanghao6998

I have a question:
Since 4K Blu Rays are going to be thing, should I stop buying regular Blu Rays now and wait for 4K re releases for all the movies I want to buy ?

Only if the movies you want to buy either currently have 4k transfers or are of high quality source material enough that they could benefit from a 4k transfer.

[Vashetti]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

To be fair Mike those Fox titles are all recent films so it wouldn't surprise me if the HDR versions were already done and dusted as part of the usual grading passes for the home video iterations. It's interesting that on the UHD M-Go service the theatrical cut of DOFP is regular UHD while the just-recently-completed Rogue Cut is available in UHD HDR. Life of Pi is a little older but HDR clips have been doing the rounds for a while, Ang Lee seems to love his tech so it wouldn't surprise me if he signed off on that a while ago. [edit] Yep, according to Fox Lee approved the final HDR master for Pi (ditto for Ridley Scott and Exodus): https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/ces...020548334.html

So is the Rogue Cut likely to come out on UHD Blu-ray at the same time as the theatrical?

[Geoff D]

No idea.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Vashetti

So is the Rogue Cut likely to come out on UHD Blu-ray at the same time as the theatrical?

Depends on its finish, mind you a 2k or less finish has not stopped Fox yet

[Nightopian]

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

How big of a display am I going to need to see a difference?

It depends on how far away you're sitting from the screen.

Here is a calculator which will tell you right now if you are fully resolving 1080p and would therefore benefit from 4K. Just type in your screen size and it will tell you how far away you need to sit before you can resolve it. If you're sitting closer than that, 4K could be worth it...

http://tripp.com.au/screen.htm

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Nightopian

It depends on how far away you're sitting from the screen.

Here is a calculator which will tell you right now if you are fully resolving 1080p and would therefore benefit from 4K. Just type in your screen size and it will tell you how far away you need to sit before you can resolve it. If you're sitting closer than that, 4K could be worth it...

http://tripp.com.au/screen.htm

Size/distance is not needed to see better color, more "depth" to an image.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Nightopian

It depends on how far away you're sitting from the screen.

Here is a calculator which will tell you right now if you are fully resolving 1080p and would therefore benefit from 4K. Just type in your screen size and it will tell you how far away you need to sit before you can resolve it. If you're sitting closer than that, 4K could be worth it...

http://tripp.com.au/screen.htm

Those size/distance charts are has much crap as the bmi

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Nightopian

It depends on how far away you're sitting from the screen.

Here is a calculator which will tell you right now if you are fully resolving 1080p and would therefore benefit from 4K. Just type in your screen size and it will tell you how far away you need to sit before you can resolve it. If you're sitting closer than that, 4K could be worth it...

http://tripp.com.au/screen.htm

Firstly, the calculator which you posted by “Ken” is flawed (one can sit even further back than suggested and still see a difference in detail with higher resolutions) as the calculator is based upon, as it says in his spiel….”A person with perfect 20/20 (or 6/6) eyesight can resolve 1/60 of a degree of Arc”, which equates to 30 cycles/degree (cpd) contrast sensitivity. That is not ‘perfect’ vision, but rather what is considered by vision scientists to be the lower limit of normal vision. Re-read this -> https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post11294043
esp. the ‘here’ hyperlink. Think of it like this, 20/20 means you are on the Manchester City or Chelsea (etc.) football club, but you are relegated to perpetually sitting on the bench as a reserve, or second stringer…..that’s ‘20/20’ vision. While not quite directly comparable, so-called “20/20” vision represents only the ability to detect image features twice as BIG as ‘perfect’ vision.

Several physical factors limit the highest spatial frequencies that can be perceived by the human
eye, for instance, the diffraction limit of the pupil, the foveal cone spacing, etc. “Perfect” vision or the maximum perceived frequency is much better than what is the basis of that calculator. Rather than 30 cpd, perfect vision is closer 60 cpd (half arc-minute pixels) when objects are moving at an average speed of about 0.15 degrees per second (Daly, S. Engineering Observations from Spatiovelocity and SpatiotemporalVisual Models. In IS&T/SPIE Conference on Human Vision and Electronic Imaging III., SPIE Vol. 3299, pp. 180-191). This is under optimal (but non-Vernier) conditions and then when one considers Vernier acuity, our vision capability is even better …..



Secondly, and importantly, 4K/UHD tvs offer HDR solutions, which simplistically translates to improved contrast and color, that later of which has been coined by the acronym WCG ….. both of which are distance independent, as Peter has noted.