4K Movies Releases

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

There certainly is a lot revealed in that article, dad nab-it!
Is nothing secret anymore in the motion picture business, now with the world wide web?

I challenge anyone to discover what film this year was released with 96K audio (by Sony) in a theater. Try that one on for size.

Total Recall?

[Steedeel]

I was wrong oops

[ultraman352]

looper? spiderman?

[Penton-Man]

My lips are sealed…….for now.

Optimally, I’ll reveal the title just prior to some audio-enthusiast-oriented website posting some write-up like fxguide did for the vfx of The Amazing Spider-Man on the last page.

All I’ll divulge is that only a small % of theaters were capable of playing the 96K, and even that success required some ‘support’ because of issues beyond the server. But, on the other hand, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t go there (to 96K), if people can hear the difference in their local Multiplex.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

My lips are sealed…….for now.

Optimally, I’ll reveal the title just prior to some audio-enthusiast-oriented website posting some write-up like fxguide did for the vfx of The Amazing Spider-Man on the last page.

All I’ll divulge is that only a small % of theaters were capable of playing the 96K, and even that success required some ‘support’ because of issues beyond the server. But, on the other hand, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t go there (to 96K), if people can hear the difference in their local Multiplex.

you're such a tease...

sure everything is mixed at 48k since it's been the norm, since .. like forever, but come on, 96 and even 192k audio is very noticeable (and superior) on blurays

oh let me guess a title, I bet you it was some dumb pointless movie like 'That's My Boy'

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

My lips are sealed…….for now.

Optimally, I’ll reveal the title just prior to some audio-enthusiast-oriented website posting some write-up like fxguide did for the vfx of The Amazing Spider-Man on the last page.

All I’ll divulge is that only a small % of theaters were capable of playing the 96K, and even that success required some ‘support’ because of issues beyond the server. But, on the other hand, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t go there (to 96K), if people can hear the difference in their local Multiplex.

Sounds like someone guessed correctly!

[saprano]

Whoever has the latest sony releases on BD all you have to do is check what khz it is.

If it's spiderman im surprised nobody mentioned it all this time. Its been out for awhile.

EDIT- "In a theater"

So the bluray version doesn't have it?

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by saprano

Whoever has the latest sony releases on BD all you have to do is check what khz it is.

If it's spiderman im surprised nobody mentioned it all this time. Its been out for awhile.

EDIT- "In a theater"

So the bluray version doesn't have it?

96kHz isn't new on bluray from Sony since they encoded 'Leon: the Professional' as such, but for theater application this is big news. I know that Dolby is trying to get folk to encode/distribute movie soundtracks at 96.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

96kHz isn't new on bluray from Sony since they encoded 'Leon: the Professional' as such, but for theater application this is big news. I know that Dolby is trying to get folk to encode/distribute movie soundtracks at 96.

Yeah i have Sex lies and Videotape and that has 96khz audio. The high frequencies are almost too crisp and detailed on that movie. If that's even a real complaint.

Are you talking about Dolby's new upsampling?

http://dolbylaboratories.tumblr.com/...a-perfect-copy

I have yet see a movie use it. But why not encode it natively?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

you're such a tease...

sure everything is mixed at 48k since it's been the norm, since .. like forever, but come on, 96 and even 192k audio is very noticeable (and superior) on blurays...

I was thinking more along the lines of those Multiplex theaters which are ‘audio challenged’ due to noisy patrons, crying babies, people talking on cell phones…

[Show spoiler]

No Cell Phones In The Cinema: DARTH VADER STYLE - YouTube

and could use either some Darth Vader ^ or Ninja type intervention in order to give 96K appreciation a fair shake…

Theater Hires Ninjas to Discipline Noisy Moviegoers - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

b.t.w., To all those who have contributed feedback either publically…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ck#post6890043

or vis-a-vie PM, thank you for taking the time to do so. I am still trying to procure an accurate ‘Avatar control’ though, which is proving difficult.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

b.t.w., To all those who have contributed feedback either publically…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ck#post6890043

or vis-a-vie PM, thank you for taking the time to do so. I am still trying to procure an accurate ‘Avatar control’ though, which is proving difficult.

oh drat! forgot to give you my impression of the 48HFR presentation of 'The Hobbit' I saw for you... oh well.

[IronWaffle]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

oh drat! forgot to give you my impression of the 48HFR presentation of 'The Hobbit' I saw for you... oh well.

Doesn't 48 just mean the movie takes half as long to watch so us ADD folks don't fall asleep?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

oh drat! forgot to give you my impression of the 48HFR presentation of 'The Hobbit' I saw for you... oh well.

No problem, take your time.

Originally Posted by IronWaffle

Doesn't 48 just mean the movie takes half as long to watch so us ADD folks don't fall asleep?

I’m sure you jest but, that does bring up an interesting format conundrum, which I haven’t seen yet addressed….on a grandeur scale, I would also like there to come a day which is more conducive to a fair format (2D and 3D) visual experience.

Meaning, you just can’t optimally edit in one format (such as in 2D, which I believe was done with The Hobbit) and exhibit both a 2D version and a 3D version using that same editing style, without some visual compromise to the storytelling of each format. Meaning if you optimally edit for 2D, then the 3D version risks becoming choppy in some scenes and possibly even headache/eye strain inducing if it includes multiple, quick edits having different parallax. On the other hand, if you optimally edit for 3D, then the 2D version risks becoming ponderous in some scenes, as compared to your typical traditional 2D films.

Best recommended practice ….have two content versions –

The 2D version should be edited in 2D and the 3D version should be edited in 3D.

P.S.
Which also brings up another interesting frame rate conundrum given the fact that all Academy membership in the U.S. should have received their screeners for The Hobbit by the end of this week…the latest, given shipping variances. They have/will be getting a traditional frame rate (24 fps), traditional format (2D) experience and if they don’t attend one of the theatrical HFR 3D presentations, then how exactly does one vote meaningfully in certain categories?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by IronWaffle

Doesn't 48 just mean the movie takes half as long to watch so us ADD folks don't fall asleep?

No, the opposite, he filmed at 48fps, so if you watch it at 24fps it takes twice as long (note, this is a joke but if that was what was happening then that would be what happens i.e. 24fps US movies are played back at 25fps in Europe which means the film/TV show has a shorter run time and on the opposite side they run longer.)

[Penton-Man]

Truly ^ . Also, something else technical to keep in mind (and this is not a joke) is that the 24fps versions which audiences are viewing in their Multiplexes, is not traditionally derived or pure, if you will, 24fps. By that I mean, due to this math exercise…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...th#post6846635

deductive reasoning dictates that P.J.’s team didn’t simply drop every other 48 fps frame throughout the motion picture in order to manufacture the 24fps deliverables. Some post production motion compensation was performed…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...on#post6862836

I haven’t read any reviews on this forum for which the motion in the 24 fps deliverables looked funky or ‘off’, so that would indicate that P.J.’s post house was quite successful with their 24 fps tweaking.

P.S.
While posting in the Premier League thread for soccer, I just thought of another possible post production permutation. You know it’s possible that motion compensation was done to the 48 fps 270 degree raw footage and then, they dropped alternate frames in order to produce the 24 fps deliverables. That alternate solution would have been a royal PIA to do though, if indeed that’s the case. Bottom line, some motion compensation was instituted at some step in the process. Had to be.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Sounds like someone guessed correctly!

Sound matters and image matters, we just have to go there (multiple boards for 4K, for instance, as one immediate solution) in all mainstream theaters rather than only exclusive special events/venues….

http://image.matters.pro/images/pdfs...essrelease.pdf

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Sound matters and image matters...

Given that ^, though for some sensitive perspective, one of the things which I deeply care about, are the relatively forgotten in the world… https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...86#post2053771

And, on a more human note, as I revealed somewhere back in this thread before The Hobbit debuted stateside, was that for theater-goers not to be surprised if the 3D HFR version would not have any closed captions, or "subtitles for the hard of hearing" as they like to refer to it across the pond in the U.K. and Ireland (b.t.w., to tob and Steedeel, when I say “speed”, you should think ‘pace’).

Anyway, the above noted cinematic deficiency is something the industry needs to address as a priority as soon as possible. So….To the hearing impaired who may be reading this (and I know we have at least several members here), you are not forgotten and let me assure you that people in the industry are working on this as we speak.

[Penton-Man]

lol, scanning the world wide web...from member victortubeman’s fxguide site, posted Dec. 14…

“It was a lot more information for us,” explains Eric Saindon, “so rather than the normal 2K it was 4K images – so four times the information. Then you go to stereo which was two times that and 48fps so double it again. The amount of information we had on this film was staggering. On a film like Avatar we had about a petabyte of information – for Hobbit we’re about five or six times that information. ”While shot in 4k or 5K – the post pipeline was primarily 2K, stereo, 48fps.

^ From….http://www.fxguide.com/featured/the-hobbit-weta/

Imagine that, who on Middle Earth knew from the get-go? https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ow#post6848379

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

...And, on a more human note, as I revealed somewhere back in this thread before The Hobbit debuted stateside, was that for theater-goers not to be surprised if the 3D HFR version would not have any closed captions, or "subtitles for the hard of hearing" as they like to refer to it across the pond in the U.K. and Ireland (b.t.w., to tob and Steedeel, when I say “speed”, you should think ‘pace’).

Anyway, the above noted cinematic deficiency is something the industry needs to address as a priority as soon as possible. So….To the hearing impaired who may be reading this (and I know we have at least several members here), you are not forgotten and let me assure you that people in the industry are working on this as we speak.

In regards to the above ^, I received a PM from one of our members who prefers to remain anonymous and questioned me as to why there was no hearing impaired tract, (which, to uninformed readers, is different than closed captions) included on the HFR versions of The Hobbit.

Well, there was a concern by the content provider regarding the ability of all the upgraded theatrical projector systems to perform well with the picture and that extra audio tract.

I feel your pain.