List of 4K film transfers on Blu-ray shot on film (non-digitally shot)

[FrameFecker]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Version 4.3 sped up the process/performance of temporal degrain. If memory serves, I believe Lou (which also seems to be standard practice with a lot of colorists) favors first grading the image then applying t.d. (if needed) further on downstream, e.g. color correct, pull out the highlights, comp in the features, then degrain…and add a tad bit of sharpening to bring back what the temporal filter softened up in the image in the first place.

It’s kind of funny because on the other hand, it seems those who have written software for texture control actually claim and recommend (based on the parameters to which they’ve written the software to work in the first place…and that even includes the degrainer for Baselight) that you should degrain first and then color grade, etc. i.e. degrain the raw images before you do anything else.

I guess it goes to show that ‘practice’ doesn’t always follow ‘theory’.

Yes?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by FrameFecker

Yes?

Yes.
The rubber meets the road with practitioners (i.e. the colorists themselves).

[eChopper]

Originally Posted by L'armée des ombres

Got a link to that?

not sure how reliable ...but is certainly looks like it was scannend at 4k

[Penton-Man]

L'armée, a belated happy Bastille Day/holiday.

I’ve been watching Le Tour which has gotten me thinking and speaking French. In that regard, you can add Jappeloup - https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Jappeloup-Blu-ray/70728/

Background Horse talk about the flick…http://horsetalk.co.nz/2013/02/25/ja...#axzz2ZAHz9pAB

[Maxwell Everett]

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/ron-smith/32/207/691

Apologies if this has already been pointed out (I didn't see it in the list).

[L'armée des ombres]

Originally Posted by Maxwell Everett

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/ron-smith/32/207/691

Apologies if this has already been pointed out (I didn't see it in the list).

And Samson and Delilah

[Penton-Man]

Let me know whether you are amenable or not to adding Captain Phillips ( http://www.captainphillipsmovie.com/site/ ) to your list, for if not, I’ll pass it on over to Goofnut on the other list when the eventual Blu-ray is announced. ‘Captain’ is another one of those hybrid acquisitions where the vast majority was film acquisition and some scenes (mostly in low lighting conditions) were captured digitally (with the Alexa).

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by Maxwell Everett

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/ron-smith/32/207/691

Apologies if this has already been pointed out (I didn't see it in the list).

Unfortunately it's the only film out of the original 6 films that was given the proper treatment.

[The Fallen Deity]

Has anyone added the new Mastered In 4K editions of Men In Black, Godzilla, The Pineapple Express and Spider-Man 2 to the list?

[L'armée des ombres]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

Has anyone added the new Mastered In 4K editions of Men In Black, Godzilla, The Pineapple Express and Spider-Man 2 to the list?

Spidey 2 is on the list...will add the others

[Scholer]

Fight Club
Road to Perdition
Braveheart

Does anybody know whether if they're 4k too. There was talk about new transfers for all 3 but they wer'nt ever mentioned as 4K. But given that its Fox and Paramount I think they may very well be 4k.

Thin Red Line which was scanned around the same time as Braveheart was 4k and both were approved by John Toll.

And David Fincher mentioned somewhere about Minor Grain Reduction used in Fight Club and he mentioned at one point ''when we went to a very high resolution some things became more apparent".

And even in the bluray itself Sam Mendes was raving about the new transfer for Road to Perdition, and most of his other films were 4k too.

And Nausicaa and most of the Studio Ghibli titles were scanned in 6k. I heard there was mention of this in the booklets in the Japanese editions. Though some UK and US releases, especially Grave of the Fireflies use older transfers.

[Scholer]

And what about Snow White, it's 4k too. Funny fact is it was a 4k Harvest for even the Platinum Edition DVD back in those days.

[BozQ]

Question, do any of the IMAX documentaries qualify in this list?

[42041]

Originally Posted by BozQ

Question, do any of the IMAX documentaries qualify in this list?

There was some buzz about Grand Canyon Adventure: River at Risk using an 8k master. The documentary itself is kind of a bore though. There are probably others but IMAX docs are not really my realm of knowledge.

[Tech-UK]

Originally Posted by BozQ

Question, do any of the IMAX documentaries qualify in this list?

IMAX Under the Sea, from the specs over on IMDb seems to have an 8K master:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1020876/...ef_=tt_dt_spec

The Blu-ray has been released by WB:

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Under...-Blu-ray/9954/

[BozQ]

Actually, I know these IMAX features uses a 4K, 8K or higher master. What I meant was, is there a reason why these IMAX documentaries are not in this list? Or is it only reserved for feature length films?

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

Has anyone added the new Mastered In 4K editions of Men In Black, Godzilla, The Pineapple Express and Spider-Man 2 to the list?

I believe that the visual effects shots were uprezzed from the original 2k, so the new 4k archival "masters," from whence these 1080p Blu-ray's are sourced from, seem to be a mix of resolutions. Same with Spidey 1.

I doubt many films with 2k special effects (but where the rest of the principal cinematography was shot on film or 4k digital cameras) will ever get re-rendered to 4k to match the rest of the footage with new, "100% 4k" masters struck. Spielberg had expressed interest in adding more detail to the dino special effects of Jurassic Park because they weren't even at 2k resolution when created in the early 90's, so there is talk in the industry. Maybe it will happen for the big tent pole titles.

Now, a purely CGI animated film, of course, could be completely re-rendered with a newer, wider color gamut and 4k detail added to their models if Disney/PIXAR, Sony Animation, Blue Sky, etc. thought there was money in it. In fact, PIXAR was considering updating their archive files to 4k at some point when storage costs were cheaper and UHD started to take off.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by BozQ

Actually, I know these IMAX features uses a 4K, 8K or higher master. What I meant was, is there a reason why these IMAX documentaries are not in this list? Or is it only reserved for feature length films?

Well that’s at the discretion of the OP but since L'armée may be on summer holiday, for a quick answer from the peanut gallery, no, I think it’s simply because nobody thought about nominating them, given our minds have been on the non-IMAX lot. I believe this is the first time the issue has been raised.

As an aside, sad thing is, I remember back in the day when IMAX required films be shot in 15/70 in order to protect the brand’s reputation for quality but, relinquished that requirement when it started converting Hollywood films with the DMR process.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

I believe that the visual effects shots were uprezzed from the original 2k, so the new 4k archival "masters," from whence these 1080p Blu-ray's are sourced from, seem to be a mix of resolutions. Same with Spidey 1...

Due to the time/cost involved and the fact that filmmakers believe that theater-goers don’t appreciate any difference, or at least not so much of a difference in quality that it bothers them, up-converting remains a common practice even with current feature films because, if done well, it can look pretty good…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...on#post7581588

For instance, current films like the recently released After Earth (see the P.S. at the bottom of the Youtube clip - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...fx#post7638213 )

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

I doubt many films with 2k special effects (but where the rest of the principal cinematography was shot on film or 4k digital cameras) will ever get re-rendered to 4k to match the rest of the footage with new, "100% 4k" masters struck...

That’s a safe assumption but I wouldn’t get too wrapped up over what constitutes “100% 4K”, unless one also fairly points out that the effective resolution of what people consider to be ‘100% 4K’ is actually in the 3’s, even if it’s a 35mm film source - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...so#post5695796

or a digital source like the Red One camera or even Epics in some cases - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ic#post7742627

Or when using a central extraction of 3.6K to make a 4.3 DI - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...on#post7790463

Etc., Etc., Etc…..

The most precise parameter in all of this is really the amount of detail (resolution, if you will) in the shot itself rather than the resolution of the entire shot (frame).