4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

So continuing, by adjusting your chairs and couches closer to the 4K panel/screen and watching the displayed imagery in that fashion simulates how we view real world imagery with our eyes in daily life because as long as the pixel pitch is dense enough so that we don’t perceive pixel structure (which 4K displays accomplish better than 2K displays at close viewing distances), moving closer to the screen places the imagery on a larger portion of our retina which therefore engages broader fields of vision, not just ‘foveal vision’ but also foveal, parafoveal and even more peripheral to that. In the display imaging literature, they are referred to as the discriminatory visual field (i.e. foveal), the effective visual field, the induced visual field and the supplementary visual field ( see the Conclusion of this classic study from NHK… http://www.ic-at.org/papers/91117.pdf )

For those who have, or may in the future, experience it in their eye doctors’ office by taking a Visual Field Test, the concept is similar to how you see, think and react to the peripheral bright lights when you peer into that machine (an automated static perimeter device) and they ask you to press the button/buzzer every time you see a tiny light flash. In other words, we humans don’t just *see* with our fovea, which is what the Snellen chart primarily tests….and a commonly quoted viewing distance chart posted on audio video forums is based upon. Sitting at traditional “normal viewing distances” places an artificial separation between visual acuity and visual field when we watch TV (thusly it decreases *realness*) because science tells us that there really is no separation in our vision or in our minds between visual acuity and visual field.

The ramifications of all this are that if you engage all of your HVS (human visual system) rather than sitting at Joe6pack “normal viewing distances” from the screen, you will feel more like you are really experiencing the movie (meaning you are there with the characters) or you are there on the sidelines, etc. of your favorite type sporting event rather than watching it like you would do for some documentary. In other words, increasing your field of view (which 4K displays make possible) should increase your emotional involvement with the content.

Isn’t this pursuit (trying to achieve a greater sense of reality over what we traditionally could get in our living rooms) why many of us went out (and some still do) to commercial theater auditoriums to take in a flick?....teenage years aside . Anyway, as I noted on this forum over a year ago, NHK termed this “visual realness” in their paper first published in a SMPTE Technical Conference Publication of October 2007 and then later published in the April 2008 SMPTE journal itself.

All that said, not much beats the flying EVS (eagle visual system), as I wish I could see through their eyes for a few moments in time, but this will do …..

Flying eagle point of view - YouTube

On our group ride last weekend, one of the guys mentioned to me that the above linked flying eagle YouTube video previously posted from several days ago (when I think it had < 100,000 views at the time), has since gone viral , now clocking in at over the 5 million mark! and he said its great popularity was recently noted even on NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams.

Even though that short clip is a joy to watch as you can’t beat an eagle’s point of view overlooking the French Alps , just so people don’t get the impression that attaching harnesses with cameras to tame predatory big birds originated with the project depicted in that particular YouTube clip, might I remind folks of the Earthflight Blu-ray - https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Earth...Blu-ray/22570/

Because this sort of extraordinary filmmaking (and much more) had previously been accomplished with big birds in the past by John Downer Productions –
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...64884&index=14

Even shuttling a vulture (carrying a small camera on his back) to the drop-off point –

Vulture cameraman! - Amazing shots taken by a flying bird (Earthflight/Winged Planet) - YouTube

[Penton-Man]

Plus, more cool eagle footage and story to come with The Way of the Eagle...http://www.cinando.com/DefaultContro...147&IdF=123834 (from Terra Mater Factual Studios - http://www.terramater.at/ ) using Fraunhofer’s eagle cam… http://www.techhive.com/article/2029...gles-back.html

Of course, if you know me, I’m most looking forward to Among Wolves from them….
http://www.amongwolvesthefilm.com/#/home

[lillsowi]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

.. if the motion picture industry truly cares about deaf and hard of hearing folks.

Oh they must. I live in a country with 10 million cinemagoers each year, and every singe one of the films watched is subtitled. I have talked to some native english speakers and apparently it is pretty jarring to realize us having to use subtitles all the time, and I guess just as equally jarring for you guys when subs appear in films, effectively pulling you out of the movie. They will without any doubt fix the issues that you are talking about, or 2K3D 60 alienates half the world.

[Penton-Man]

4K DCP Movie Release Alert

Prisoners
3996 x 2160 (4K flat)
132 GB
5.1 Audio
Run Time: 2:33:05

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by lillsowi

They will without any doubt fix the issues that you are talking about, or 2K3D 60 alienates half the world.

Yep, and the motion picture industry is very cognizant of the $$ value of non native English speaking markets….http://www.thewrap.com/hollywood-mog...nda-exclusive/

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

4K DCP Movie Release Alert

Prisoners
3996 x 2160 (4K flat)
132 GB
5.1 Audio
Run Time: 2:33:05

Yay! I wanted to see this and this is tasty 4K icing on the cake.

[Penton-Man]

Might I also remind you of this upcoming release which went through a 4K DI -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ge#post7842476

Because, given your knowledge of firearms, talk about some precision shooting using night vision scopes where innocent peoples' lives depended upon it.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Might I also remind you of this upcoming release which went through a 4K DI -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ge#post7842476

Because, given your knowledge of firearms, talk about some precision shooting using night vision scopes where innocent peoples' lives depended upon it.

Captain Phillips has a 4K DI too, eh? That's great as I wanted to see this as well. Now to see if there is a local theater that shows 4K DCP's. The closest one is about 30 miles away as I went to that theater to see Lawrence of Arabia in 4K, but that was a year ago so maybe my local theater has gotten their act together.

[Penton-Man]

PM me if you know what brand projector system they used to show ‘Lawrence’.
Meanwhile, on another note, a Kickstarter campaign that proved successful …http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...tal-or-go-dark

[TDSOTM]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

4K DCP Movie Release Alert

Prisoners
3996 x 2160 (4K flat)
132 GB
5.1 Audio
Run Time: 2:33:05

Isn't the source 2.8K? What's the point of upscaling?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by TDSOTM

Isn't the source 2.8K?

Shot with Arri cameras (< 4K rez), capturing in ArriRaw (2880 x 1620). The final ‘theatricial’
outputs were a 4K filmout (on an Arrilaser) and a 4K DCP (as spec-ed above). If you recall, Skyfall, which also had an ArriRaw source format yielded a 4K DCP… https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ll#post7528259 and for which the ASC liked the look - http://www.thewrap.com/awards/column...-skyfall-77051 .

Originally Posted by TDSOTM

What's the point of upscaling?

You mean as opposed to just producing a 2K DCP? I would imagine the goal is to improve the perceived detail in the images and high quality post production up-scaling solutions are even more elegant than consumer display up-scaling engines, which aren’t too shabby….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...es#post7948551

[TDSOTM]

First off, thanks for answering.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

You mean as opposed to just producing a 2K DCP? I would imagine the goal is to improve the perceived detail in the images and high quality post production up-scaling solutions are even more elegant than consumer display up-scaling engines, which aren’t too shabby….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...es#post7948551

That's what I was told the previous time I asked the question. I still don't get one thing, though. No matter how good the upscaling tools may be these days, how is it possible to improve image quality after upscaling? There's a quality loss in any case. Wouldn't it be more logical if those 2.8K films were shown in 2.8K? I'm assuming that only 2K and 4K projectors exist, because that's the only logical explanation to this.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

The final ‘theatricial’ outputs were a 4K filmout (on an Arrilaser)

Does this mean that all 35mm theatrical prints were 1st gen?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by TDSOTM

First off, thanks for answering.
That's what I was told the previous time I asked the question. I still don't get one thing, though. No matter how good the upscaling tools may be these days, how is it possible to improve image quality after upscaling? There's a quality loss in any case.

If the algorithms are good and the implementation is done well, on the contrary, I think there can be a quality improvement. Maybe this article regarding Technicolor’s process, e.g. “Technicolor wanted to ensure that 2K up-converted material would deliver an experience to viewers that is very close to native 4K” will help explain it better…. http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/columns/...tification.php

Originally Posted by TDSOTM

Does this mean that all 35mm theatrical prints were 1st gen?

Nope. 4K film out to an intermediate stock, not the release print stock.

[Penton-Man]

In regards to Prisoners, a shout-out to Hotlanta folks - although the story is set in Pennsylvania, one of the filming locations was Conyers, a place I personally know well , for after flying over the handlebars at speed, I incurred a massive tear of my rotator cuff on the old Olympic mountain bike course there…

Conyers Olympic Mountain Bike Trails - YouTube

which required surgery the next day and months of physical therapy to get back normal range of motion. I'll never forget it.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

If the algorithms are good and the implementation is done well, on the contrary, I think there can be a quality improvement. Maybe this article regarding Technicolor’s process, e.g. “Technicolor wanted to ensure that 2K up-converted material would deliver an experience to viewers that is very close to native 4K” will help explain it better…. http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/columns/...tification.php

I can vouch for the de-noising that's a necessary part of the 4K upscaling, as the 'mastered in 4K' setting on my Sony X9 introduces a very slight layer of noise reduction.

[Penton-Man]

Yes, handling noise is a big part of it, no matter whose solution one employs, from 3/24/2011 -
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...on#post4528837

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

and for which the ASC liked the look - http://www.thewrap.com/awards/column...-skyfall-77051...

Speaking of Honors & Awards, a BIG one…
http://advanced-television.com/2013/...r-nhks-8k-uhd/

[Penton-Man]

This is a 4K PSA (public service announcement, for those with prostate problems!) especially for federal government employees who can’t afford a 4K TV now because they’re not receiving pay checks due to the fact that a small nutty group in Congress has decided to hold all of us Americans hostage by trying to defund the affordable care act which has already had 3 years of debate, countless attempted conference sessions and was upheld by the Supreme Court as law.

Well, all that said (and I just can’t wait for the debt ceiling *debate*, as to what they’ll be doing with that) anyway, Panny is doing a 4K TV giveaway , specifically this model -
http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model...wt600_09042013

Scroll down to the Sept. 11 post (below the bicycle rider)…https://plus.google.com/+PanasonicUSA/posts So, I guess watch for more details on how to win in the next several days.

[Penton-Man]

Lyris, tell it bro , I like this paragraph…”None of that will stop tech pundits and consumers dismayed at the thought of their current flat panel no longer being cutting edge from predicting the failure of UHD….

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsu...1310013344.htm

[TDSOTM]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

If the algorithms are good and the implementation is done well, on the contrary, I think there can be a quality improvement. Maybe this article regarding Technicolor’s process, e.g. “Technicolor wanted to ensure that 2K up-converted material would deliver an experience to viewers that is very close to native 4K” will help explain it better…. http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/columns/...tification.php

Great article. Thanks for posting it.