4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Adrian Wright

New website from the BDA promoting UHD BD

http://www.uhdbdinnumbers.com/

Interesting. German site owned by Tim Spink. Consulting for the BDA perhaps.

http://domainsono.com/domain/uhdbdinnumbers.com

https://www.linkedin.com/in/timothy-spink-0ab79498

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Adrian Wright

New website from the BDA promoting UHD BD

http://www.uhdbdinnumbers.com/

A cookie goes to anyone that can point out the inferior lacrimal punctum. The rest of the information should be pretty much well known to Blu-ray.com forum members by now who've been reading this and the 4K Movies Releases thread.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

It is actually a Penton Man self portrait...

Nope.
See emoticon (More) list about half way down the right column…

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

“Technically correct, (but) artistically incorrect.” ( http://www.etcentric.org/smpte-webin...lenges-of-hdr/ ) [something I brought readers' attention to over a year ago]....

ERRATUM
Twas closer to 5 months ago….
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post10915645

[Coenskubrick]

Originally Posted by Adrian Wright

New website from the BDA promoting UHD BD

http://www.uhdbdinnumbers.com/

Terrible example of HDR. It's one of those really fake looking HDR images, making everything weirdly bright and contrast, rather than using it to restore lost detail in highlights and shadows.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by Coenskubrick

Terrible example of HDR. It's one of those really fake looking HDR images, making everything weirdly bright and contrast, rather than using it to restore lost detail in highlights and shadows.

Agreed, the SDR picture is way more natural....

[murphywmm]

Originally Posted by spectre08

honestly, maybe. A lot of people didn't adopt blu-ray because they couldn't see much of a difference. At least some of those people should be able to see the difference between DVD and UltraHD Blu-Ray.

Anybody who claims they couldn't see a difference between BD and DVD is either:
1 - Lying
2 - Blind
3 - Doesn't have their display calibrated properly
4 - Watched a really poor release (like say, "The Hills Have Eyes" 1977 version)

[Coenskubrick]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

Agreed, the SDR picture is way more natural....

I don't even understand it. They're trying to show the capabilities of HDR... by making the midtones brighter and changing the colour temperature slightly? On a non-HDR display you can't totally get the idea of HDR anyway, but that image would not have a huge amount of benefit from it anyway. There's almost nothing blown out in the sky and very few dark spots. Really it just looks a stop or two underexposed.

[elwaylite]

Originally Posted by murphywmm

Anybody who claims they couldn't see a difference between BD and DVD is either:
1 - Lying
2 - Blind
3 - Doesn't have their display calibrated properly
4 - Watched a really poor release (like say, "The Hills Have Eyes" 1977 version)

This was quite common back in the day, that and "I can't tell a difference between DD 5.1 and TrueHD/MasterHD"...

Both of which are complete BS to me if you are setup properly.

[RedSabbath]

Originally Posted by murphywmm

Anybody who claims they couldn't see a difference between BD and DVD is either:
1 - Lying
2 - Blind
3 - Doesn't have their display calibrated properly
4 - Watched a really poor release (like say, "The Hills Have Eyes" 1977 version)

I'd like to chime in saying that I agree with that above statement....

However....

The difference in BD versus UHD-BD will NOT be as large as above. No way.

[dubious]

I noticed Amazon had a "Movies & TV : 4k Movies & TV" and "4k blu-ray" sections today, not sure how long that's been up, but it's full of 1080p "Mastered in 4K" products.

If Amazon can't even get it right, average Joe has no chance.

[Geoff D]

Amazon UK have listed the Sony 'Mastered in 4K' line as 'Blu-ray 4K' since day one, and Sony's initial marketing of those discs was very misleading too, I complained to the advertising standards bods and it was changed but the damage had already been done.

There will be plenty of 4K owners out there who really do think they've got 4K Blu-ray already, so I can't wait to see what the reaction will be when UHD Blu finally launches (and also when they're told that WCG/HDR isn't compatible with their sets either). Don't ever change, consumer electronics industry.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by RedSabbath

The difference in BD versus UHD-BD will NOT be as large as above. No way.

So far that has been true for the UHD titles released via SEN and the Sony FMP-X10. I have not purchased any SEN UHD titles because they showed little improvement over the BD counterpart.

I am not saying there is no difference because there is. Just compared the Fifth Element from SEN to the newly released Cinema Series release and the SEN version shows some improvement in detail. Comparison was made using both in pause mode. Can't wait to hear the Dolby Atmos remix on the The Cinema Series version of the TFE. All setup except for an audio processor.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

So far that has been true for the UHD titles released via SEN and the Sony FMP-X10. I have not purchased any SEN UHD titles because they showed little improvement over the BD counterpart.

I am not saying there is no difference because there is. Just compared the Fifth Element from SEN to the newly released Cinema Series release and the SEN version shows some improvement in detail. Comparison was made using both in pause mode. Can't wait to hear the Dolby Atmos remix on the The Cinema Series version of the TFE. All setup except for an audio processor.

It will come down to compression and screen size

[RedSabbath]

Maybe I should say something like this:

When we got our new Flatscreen HD TV's in the late 2000's and played our DVD's, then brokedown and bought a Blu-Ray player and BD discs, the difference, regardless of the "upconversion" was painfully obvious.

But when we try to do that with our Blu Ray discs to a UHD set and player, I bet it won't be nearly a shock as the prior.

In other words, we're gonna get a lot more life outta our BD's than we did with our DVD's (God, I hope!).

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by RedSabbath

Maybe I should say something like this:

When we got our new Flatscreen HD TV's in the late 2000's and played our DVD's, then brokedown and bought a Blu-Ray player and BD discs, the difference, regardless of the "upconversion" was painfully obvious.

But when we try to do that with our Blu Ray discs to a UHD set and player, I bet it won't be nearly a shock as the prior.

In other words, we're gonna get a lot more life outta our BD's than we did with our DVD's (God, I hope!).

Upscaling and bluray authoring has (mostly) gotten better

[RedSabbath]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Upscaling and bluray authoring has (mostly) gotten better

Agreed. But you gotta admit, when you currently watch a upconverted DVD you know it, you can tell. But I bet with a upconverted BD, you may have to think about it for a bit, maybe not even knowing! Maybe?

[eriaur]

Sounds like it`s up to HDR to make the difference

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/hig...paving-way-uhd

“When my colleagues and I at Fox first saw the side-by-side comparison of Ultra HD with High Dynamic Range versus HD, it was reminiscent of the difference between standard def and high def,” 20th Century Fox President Mike Dunn said in Berlin. “This is a massive leap forward for the consumer experience.”

It’s also a way to keep Blu-ray Disc firmly in place as the ultimate consumer viewing experience.

Meet Recap: Fox, Paramount, Disney, Deluxe, and Sony

For UHD, we saw a demo reel that included clips from Exodus, The Maze Runner and other films. The reel was streamed from HDs to two side by side 4K TVs, one was using a non-specified flavor of HDR (High Dynamic Range), and the other wasn’t. The HDR made all the difference with richer, deeper colors and improved contrast.

During the meet I talked to an executive from another studio who in response to film makers pushing to have their titles released in 4k/UHD had them come in and played 4K and BD side by side and no one was able to tell the difference. Mike Dunn even told us that he can't tell the difference. Enter HDR. When you take the 4K master and add HDR to it, now there is a dramatic increase in color and brightness and that is where you see the huge improvement over Blu-ray. The thing is you are essentially re-coloring the film, and that is a job that requires the filmmaker to do properly.

Not surprising that Fox are pro HDR.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by eriaur

Sounds like it`s up to HDR to make the difference



Not surprising that Fox are pro HDR.

The thing is you are essentially re-coloring the film, and that is a job that requires the filmmaker to do properly.

Ding ding ding ding ding

Let's see how long that idea lasts

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Ding ding ding ding ding

Let's see how long that idea lasts

Your not re colouring it at all, your just increasing the brightness you scan it at.