Rob Enderle article: "Why Blu-ray should never have existed"

[Zaphod]

Food for thought...talk about an interesting article...

http://www.itbusinessedge.com/blogs/rob/?p=145

[supersix4]

what a F***ING MORON.... wonder who paid him to write that

[crunchywyte]

WOW.......what an idiot!

there's 5 min of my life wasted that I will never get back!

[Mericalis]

ROFL...oh boy, I read the first reason why Blu should never have existed and couldn't contain the laughter. Ever heard of a $150M payoff? Finally stopped after the OS2/Blu comparison. Stupidity defined: Rob Enderle.

[jorg]

haha hes a tool like seriously any of his arguments can be look at almost a postitve maybe he should look at who suport blu-ray(i realy don`t think 150 companies some of the largest in the world would all make the same mistake)

[Banjo]

Now, I know a lot of people still believe Blu-Ray is winning (though that number declined sharply after Paramount and DreamWorks jumped ship), but if you really step back, you’ll realize all it is doing is ensuring HD-DVD doesn’t win either, and the impact of that on the movie industry has to be in the billions.

Declined sharply? I've yet to see the statistics, and I bet he hasn't either!

[Mote]

This guy is such a hack. Everyone knows he's paid by Microsoft to spread FUD all over the web.

[Zaphod]

This guy probably still thinks Betamax is going to win...

[Mericalis]

Originally Posted by Mote

This guy is such a hack. Everyone knows he's paid by Microsoft to spread FUD all over the web.

Hey, I know I shouldn't say this, but you guys who are posting on here about this thread might put some of it on the blog site.

[supersix4]

some of the worst arguments I've ever seen lol trying to sell people on why to buy hd-dud lmfao, he couldnt sell blow to rehab patients

[Zaphod]

I like this little blurb...

"you’ll realize all it is doing is ensuring HD-DVD doesn’t win either"

Like this small segment is enough to try to convince others that he is not pro HD-DVD, and give him the credibility he thinks he deserves.

[Rup_Muk]

Originally Posted by Mericalis

Hey, I know I shouldn't say this, but you guys who are posting on here about this thread might put some of it on the blog site.

I did - and copied my comments to the Rant thread:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...968#post198968

Rup.

[Existentialist]

Originally Posted by Zaphod

Food for thought...talk about an interesting article...

http://www.itbusinessedge.com/blogs/rob/?p=145

Well my mom said I never shouold of existed, and even won a lawsuit against Trojan on that basis, and well, 25 years later I am still here.

[gvortex7]

Originally Posted by Existentialist

Well my mom said I never shouold of existed, and even won a lawsuit against Trojan on that basis, and well, 25 years later I am still here.

Dude, that's F'd up.

[Mr. Joshua]

Originally Posted by Existentialist

Well my mom said I never shouold of existed, and even won a lawsuit against Trojan on that basis, and well, 25 years later I am still here.

For real or do I sense a hint of sarcasim. If so, maybe my parnets should sue Trojan and we can live job free and Benjamin hefty...

[Mr. Joshua]

Reply I got back from Enderle - do you notice he still talks nothing but unsubstantiated crap in his e-mails too?


Quote:
Problem was, as we later found out, the technology was simply too untested and too expensive. The HD camp spent a lot of effort making a technology that would slipstream (interesting that Disney actually helped with most of it and then switched, I understand the back story on that may make for interesting reading when it comes out). This blog is for a technical audience to prevent another mistake like this in the future, and as a reminder to me to not make the mistake again (I argued that Blu-Ray was certain to win at the start). ITBusiness Edge pays me to write here, not Toshiba and the constant libel gets very old after awhile. The PC side of Toshiba US was a client at one time, not the media division. My advice to the PC companies has been consistently to support both and let the customer choose HP and Gateway follow that advice most others don’t.



I think I clearly said Blu-Ray was superior, it was also too expensive and can’t ramp to volume in time and will likely become one of the biggest white elephants of all time. It’s quite latterly bleeding Sony dry and the studios are not happy at all with total HD volume as a result. It’s only a spoiler now and I’d like to avoid similar mistakes in the future. Can it be forced to win, certainly, with enough money anything is possible but it has cost several Sony execs their jobs already and speculation is it will take their CEO out by the end of the year.



So I stand by what I said, and look forward to the day that discussions like this can happen without the need for personal attacks.



Rob Enderle
Principal Analyst
Enderle Group




I respond


Quote:
I chat with the HD Media team at Warner quite a bit and they seem very happy with Blu-ray providing 70% of their HD discs sales and look forward to taking their interactivity even further.

Disney helped develop HDi, that is hardly when speaking about the technology “most of it”

You are right, studios are not happy with the overall volume, nor will anyone when two technologies go at it fighting for acceptance. I see two major studios supporting HD DVD exclusively, three major studios supporting Blu-ray exclusively and one neutral. It seems to me that Blu-ray is not only the consumers choice based on units sold, but also the electronics manufacturers choice and Hollywood’s choice.

Can’t ramp to volume? Which HD DVD has sold the most discs? “300” and it hasn’t even moved 100,000 units yet! “300” on Blu-ray moved 165,000 in its first week.

Casino Royale on a BD50 disc has sold over 100,000 in North America AND has 500,000 copies given away to initial registrars in Europe to the PS3 Home network.

This comment is baffling and that you make it with no supporting facts or figures is pretty typical of your editorials and blogs.

If you want discussions without personal attacks then you should seriously try looking at facts when your write your articles instead of hearsay. The second link in your article goes to a site maintained by “rdjam” from AVSForum who is one of the biggest fanboys on the site and certainly not a credible source.

The sharply declining number of people supporting Blu-ray has certainly not dropped since the Paramount announcement. In the first full week of sales since the announcement Blu-ray had 68% of the disc sales. http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...hp?startpage=4

The only people that approve of your articles write comments like “I hope Sony dies” et cetera. That speaks volumes.

I have yet to read an eloquent, factual and well though out piece by you on the format war or on either format and I rarely read factual information in your pieces like manufacturing costs of Blu-ray, yields from any of the 8 factories now with Blu-ray 50GB lines, etc.

If you don’t want personal attacks, try backing up your writings with real facts because otherwise it will just be another long article in a series of statements on Blu-ray by yourself that can only be considered propaganda.



After all this was said, Ron Simmons walks into Enderle's office, looks at him for about 20 seconds, pulls his cigar out of his mouth and says, "DAMN!!!"

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by wsciv123

Reply I got back from Enderle - do you notice he still talks nothing but unsubstantiated crap in his e-mails too?


Quote:
Problem was, as we later found out, the technology was simply too untested and too expensive. The HD camp spent a lot of effort making a technology that would slipstream (interesting that Disney actually helped with most of it and then switched, I understand the back story on that may make for interesting reading when it comes out). This blog is for a technical audience to prevent another mistake like this in the future, and as a reminder to me to not make the mistake again (I argued that Blu-Ray was certain to win at the start). ITBusiness Edge pays me to write here, not Toshiba and the constant libel gets very old after awhile. The PC side of Toshiba US was a client at one time, not the media division. My advice to the PC companies has been consistently to support both and let the customer choose HP and Gateway follow that advice most others don’t.



I think I clearly said Blu-Ray was superior, it was also too expensive and can’t ramp to volume in time and will likely become one of the biggest white elephants of all time. It’s quite latterly bleeding Sony dry and the studios are not happy at all with total HD volume as a result. It’s only a spoiler now and I’d like to avoid similar mistakes in the future. Can it be forced to win, certainly, with enough money anything is possible but it has cost several Sony execs their jobs already and speculation is it will take their CEO out by the end of the year.



So I stand by what I said, and look forward to the day that discussions like this can happen without the need for personal attacks.



Rob Enderle
Principal Analyst
Enderle Group




I respond


Quote:
I chat with the HD Media team at Warner quite a bit and they seem very happy with Blu-ray providing 70% of their HD discs sales and look forward to taking their interactivity even further.

Disney helped develop HDi, that is hardly when speaking about the technology “most of it”

You are right, studios are not happy with the overall volume, nor will anyone when two technologies go at it fighting for acceptance. I see two major studios supporting HD DVD exclusively, three major studios supporting Blu-ray exclusively and one neutral. It seems to me that Blu-ray is not only the consumers choice based on units sold, but also the electronics manufacturers choice and Hollywood’s choice.

Can’t ramp to volume? Which HD DVD has sold the most discs? “300” and it hasn’t even moved 100,000 units yet! “300” on Blu-ray moved 165,000 in its first week.

Casino Royale on a BD50 disc has sold over 100,000 in North America AND has 500,000 copies given away to initial registrars in Europe to the PS3 Home network.

This comment is baffling and that you make it with no supporting facts or figures is pretty typical of your editorials and blogs.

If you want discussions without personal attacks then you should seriously try looking at facts when your write your articles instead of hearsay. The second link in your article goes to a site maintained by “rdjam” from AVSForum who is one of the biggest fanboys on the site and certainly not a credible source.

The sharply declining number of people supporting Blu-ray has certainly not dropped since the Paramount announcement. In the first full week of sales since the announcement Blu-ray had 68% of the disc sales. http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...hp?startpage=4

The only people that approve of your articles write comments like “I hope Sony dies” et cetera. That speaks volumes.

I have yet to read an eloquent, factual and well though out piece by you on the format war or on either format and I rarely read factual information in your pieces like manufacturing costs of Blu-ray, yields from any of the 8 factories now with Blu-ray 50GB lines, etc.

If you don’t want personal attacks, try backing up your writings with real facts because otherwise it will just be another long article in a series of statements on Blu-ray by yourself that can only be considered propaganda.



After all this was said, Ron Simmons walks into Enderle's office, looks at him for about 20 seconds, pulls his cigar out of his mouth and says, "DAMN!!!"

we do what we want and when we want and there ain't no one here who can stop us...APA...GOD that was the coolest Tag team in the WWE.

[Maxell]

I’ve seen this over and over again, and am surprised more of us don’t point this out. If a product requires substantial support from the parent to keep it alive, including funding levels that probably can’t be reasonably recouped, it has a very high likelihood of failing.

That's Toshiba. They are the only big company really making hd-dvd players. More companies are supporting blu-ray than hddvd.

The fact that it wasn’t affordable killed not only Blu-Ray but effectively took out the PS3 in the process. Without the PS3, Blu-Ray couldn’t beat HD-DVD, which had no similar crutch and advanced into the market much more easily (and shipped much earlier).

Blu-ray is far from dead! But Sony expected blu-ray would be too expensive for most at the start which is one of the reasons why the built it in to the PS3 (the other big reason being the huge space for huge games). Heck the playstation 2 was many people's first dvd player and helped usher in the DVD era.

Then he also talks about blu-ray and hddvd being impractical for storage? Sure it is now, but in a few years it will be easier, faster, and more affordable to burn bd-r's. Imagine how much crap you can store with a 25-pack! (625gb)

Then he talks about cost. Every new electronic product is costly at first. Sure Toshiba might reach $200 first, but that doesn't make it the best. A $400 Acer laptop does not beat a $700 Gateway laptop, a $500 32" LCD is not better than a 32" Samsung, etc.

In conclusion, this guy is an impatient moron! Blu-ray and hddvd are still in their infancy and it will be many years before any will challenge its dvd counterpart.

[supersix4]

hahaha max I posted what you just said lol

[kaliraver]

What a F****** turd, man that guy must be really low on brain cells.