Gladiator (2000)

[Sky_Captain]

Originally Posted by Q!

But do you guys think "regular people" noticed the DNR and EE?

Would they care???
If they did they'd probably start an account here or elsewhere...

Not to sound elitest, but screw the "regular people'. They weren't the ones that kick-started the format, it was people that actually give a sh*t about PQ, enthusiasts that were willing to shell out big money for players, etc, unlike "regular people", who sit on their asses waiting for prices to fall and then ***** about things like grain, etc. F**k you, Joe-Sixpack.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

Isnt the studios remastering within 4-5 months an admission of defect?

If the studio believes it to be satisfactory, they should not remaster it.

Originally Posted by O_V_N

Yes, it unequivocally is.

Originally Posted by PrivatePixel

I am in full agreement with the points highlighted in blue. With that said, my interpretation of the term workmanship may differ than yours. I'm not a lawyer, but it would be nice if someone with a legal background could elaborate on its definition to determine if the original release was truly defective in workmanship. You may have an argument, seeing as you're looking at the entire process, whereas I'm focusing on the end product.

Member OVN is an attorney and he believes that the redo is admission of defect.

[J.Cornelius]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

I buy a pair of jeans labeled 32Waist x 32 Inseam.

I take them home and they are too big. I measure them and they are actually 38Waist x 32 Inseam.

They are NOT defective. Stitching, hems, pockets, fabric are all perfect.

Am I not entitled to a replacement because the product was not as advertised/labeled, even though it is not defective?

The Blu-ray disc was not the product advertised on the package. Proof? Look at Braveheart.

In my opinion a replacement program for a disk that is not defective sets a very bad precedent. The quality of the disk is of a subjective nature, and such quality is magnified by the overall size of your TV, as according to several reviews. It is fairly evident that many titles lack a certain quality while others overwhelm, should we have a replacement program for every sub-par release out there? I whole heartedly would be in favor of a replacement program if the disk was DEFECTIVE, but that is clearly not the case in this situation, mine played fine on my Sony Blu ray player!

[J.Cornelius]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

Member OVN is an attorney and he believes that the redo is admission of defect.

I am sure that I could conjure up an attorney which believes directly the opposite.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by PrivatePixel

Did the source state explicitly that a remaster was not planned anytime soon? Is it possible that whatever was said initially could have led to presumption on the part of consumers?

The source was pestered for months on these boards and eventually said something to the effect that the studio wasnt budging. The message was, surrender, the battle was fought and lost.

I cant speak for other buyers, but I followed the thread CLOSELY on a daily basis waiting for news. I made my purchase based on the comments I read. I admit I never read a quote from the studio themselves, but the sources here and elsewhere seemed clear that it wasnt in the cards.

Is it possible that I misunderstood? Yes.
Is it possible that I read too much in between the lines? Yes.
Is it likely that I got my wires crossed? Since I am a genius, not a chance in hell.

[KubrickFan]

Hopefully this rumor will be true. I held out on the first release for obvious reasons, and I'm glad a reisssue will be released. And for the folks concerned, I hope for you guys a replacement program (or a rebate) will be offered. I wouldn't have bought it in the first place, but that's a different matter .

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

Not to sound elitest, but screw the "regular people'. :

That is so damn funny.... got a couple tears from laughing so hard.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by J.Cornelius

In my opinion a replacement program for a disk that is not defective sets a very bad precedent. The quality of the disk is of a subjective nature, and such quality is magnified by the overall size of your TV, as according to several reviews. It is fairly evident that many titles lack a certain quality while others overwhelm, should we have a replacement program for every sub-par release out there? I whole heartedly would be in favor of a replacement program if the disk was DEFECTIVE, but that is clearly not the case in this situation, mine played fine on my Sony Blu ray player!

Sort of, but not in this case.

The SAPHIRE package describes its contents.

The remaster is proof that the first packages label is a lie. Simple.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by J.Cornelius

I am sure that I could conjure up an attorney which believes directly the opposite.

I agree.

Glad OVN is on my side.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by J.Cornelius

In my opinion a replacement program for a disk that is not defective sets a very bad precedent. The quality of the disk is of a subjective nature, and such quality is magnified by the overall size of your TV, as according to several reviews. It is fairly evident that many titles lack a certain quality while others overwhelm, should we have a replacement program for every sub-par release out there? I whole heartedly would be in favor of a replacement program if the disk was DEFECTIVE, but that is clearly not the case in this situation, mine played fine on my Sony Blu ray player!

Was POTC defective? It played in peoples players but was framed incorrectly. But since it played, does that mean they shouldn't have issued a replacement? Or perhaps they could've fixed the issue and then put it on the shelf later on and said "well since you guys bought the first copy even after the issue was discovered, you're on your own."

By definition alone, yes, Gladiator is defective.

[rpneuss]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

Was POTC defective? It played in peoples players but was framed incorrectly. But since it played, does that mean they shouldn't have issued a replacement? Or perhaps they could've fixed the issue and then put it on the shelf later on and said "well since you guys bought the first copy even after the issue was discovered, you're on your own."

By definition alone, yes, Gladiator is defective.

Its without a wonder that customer service and support have fallen off the map in the last ten years. People on here think that you should be left out in the cold without even a rebate when said studio has admitted they screwed the pooch on the movie. I guess we should all be just a bunch of tolerant idiots that take it in the rear and never say anything. This applies to more than electronics in this country oddly enough.

[42041]

Originally Posted by rpneuss

Its without a wonder that customer service and support have fallen off the map in the last ten years. People on here think that you should be left out in the cold without even a rebate when said studio has admitted they screwed the pooch on the movie. I guess we should all be just a bunch of tolerant idiots that take it in the rear and never say anything. This applies to more than electronics in this country oddly enough.

Customer service has fallen off because good service is much more expensive than farming it out to India, and consumers consistently demonstrate that quality doesn't sell when they can get something cheaper or more quickly, so why bother?

[PrivatePixel]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

The source was pestered for months on these boards and eventually said something to the effect that the studio wasnt budging. The message was, surrender, the battle was fought and lost.

I don't think I ever came across that thread, but then again, I didn't join nor have I participated regularly on these forums until recently.

I suppose there's always the possibility that the source may not be as in the loop as s/he was led to believe, that s/he wasn't privy to all discussions regarding this matter. Did the thread commence before or after the disc was released? Increasing public outcry from dissatisfied owners could have led Paramount to reassess its stance on a product that they stood behind initially. All I can do is speculate as to what transpired between the original disc's release and the (supposed) announcement of a remastered version scheduled for release later this year.

[rpneuss]

Originally Posted by 42041

Customer service has fallen off because good service is much more expensive than farming it out to India, and consumers consistently demonstrate that quality doesn't sell when they can get something cheaper or more quickly, so why bother?

Exactly my point. In other words people don't give a damn about quality anymore. Thanks for making my argument hold water.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by PrivatePixel

I don't think I ever came across that thread, but then again, I didn't join nor have I participated regularly on these forums until recently.

I suppose there's always the possibility that the source may not be as in the loop as s/he was led to believe, that s/he wasn't privy to all discussions regarding this matter. Did the thread commence before or after the disc was released? Increasing public outcry from dissatisfied owners could have led Paramount to reassess its stance on a product that they stood behind initially. All I can do is speculate as to what transpired between the original disc's release and the (supposed) announcement of a remastered version scheduled for release later this year.

It was the day of release. Paramount didnt send out screener copies for Gladiator in advance of its release, hmmmmm. More than one industry professional publicly urged Paramount to either recall and remaster or make a running change with an exchange program. The same industry folks follwed the problem for months.

Those industry folks certainly were either mislead, misinformed, etc etc.

You are right, speculating will get us nowhere.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by PrivatePixel

I don't think I ever came across that thread, but then again, I didn't join nor have I participated regularly on these forums until recently.

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The final paragraph of an 8/31/09 review By Bill Hunt

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/review...83109.html#gla


The uneven video quality of Gladiator really damages the launch and reputation of Paramount's new Sapphire Series. As the disc is obviously going to street as planned, what I HOPE happens - what I STRONGLY encourage - is that Universal and Paramount immediately run a new HD transfer, and then either recall the disc or make it a running production change. Either way, they should arrange an exchange program for those fans who purchase the disc in the meantime. IF the studios take quick steps to correct the disc and make things right with fans who purchase it, that will go a very long way toward restoring confidence in the Sapphire line. IF that happens, the disc will have earned my highest recommendation. (Rest assured, I'll keep you up to date on this here on The Bits.) Until that time, just know that the video quality is disappointing and adjust your purchase plans accordingly.

[jurassic_pork]

so it is safe to unload my copy or is this still a rumor?

[sfmarine]

Originally Posted by jurassic_pork

so it is safe to unload my copy or is this still a rumor?

Difficult to say....it appears to be legit though. Sure did happen fast. I'd still hang on to it for now though. Bill Hunt sure did nail it though.

[Maggot]

Man, did you ever hit it on the head. Dear God, do I wish DVD-A and or SACD had remained and "made it". The quality is so much better than CD. But, people would rather buy from I-Tunes and store thousands of low quality songs on their Ipods. Very sad. But the fact that HD screens are all the rage and Blu-ray seems to be selling well, maybe there's hope.....

Originally Posted by rpneuss

Exactly my point. In other words people don't give a damn about quality anymore. Thanks for making my argument hold water.

[Damage Inc.]

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

Not to sound elitest, but screw the "regular people'. They weren't the ones that kick-started the format, it was people that actually give a sh*t about PQ, enthusiasts that were willing to shell out big money for players, etc, unlike "regular people", who sit on their asses waiting for prices to fall and then ***** about things like grain, etc. F**k you, Joe-Sixpack.

LOL Yeah...

"Look at all that noise! I didn't pay 5 bucks to get analog quality!"

Originally Posted by rpneuss

Exactly my point. In other words people don't give a damn about quality anymore. Thanks for making my argument hold water.

Myeah, not even the creators of the products care anymore.
Well, most anyway... very sad...

Originally Posted by Maggot

Man, did you ever hit it on the head. Dear God, do I wish DVD-A and or SACD had remained and "made it". The quality is so much better than CD. But, people would rather buy from I-Tunes and store thousands of low quality songs on their Ipods. Very sad. But the fact that HD screens are all the rage and Blu-ray seems to be selling well, maybe there's hope.....

Yeah, but most people are still just under-educated on the subject.
I really like there are websites like this and it does help.
At some point, though, people will know just enough to understand what is what.
But you just can't get through to some of them either.
I've tried with some people that I know, and if there's no interest, they don't care.
My sister for example, she understands,
but she still doesn't care whether she downloads an MPEG or watches a copied DVD.
She's a little younger though and is one of the MP3-generation.
My father does care however, but it's hard to get him to understand.
It's pretty much the other way around... -_-

Myself, I'm a guy that just loves quality but I'm not that obsessed with it.
I just like to enjoy things "as is", so I have to find out what's for my best interest in media.
But it took a passion for film and music before I got to this point.
Some people just don't have time and patience and everything for it.
You have to keep in mind that many people are simple consumers and want instant gratification.
That's understandable though, but then the people that care
and the creators of our media, should make sure good products are made.
And I think we're on the right way, coming back out of the highly compressed digital era.
Because the manufacturers and studios are more and more aware,
that WE the consumers are more and more aware of what they're selling us.