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[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Agent_DVD

No luck getting Best Buy to sell me some movies.... they had them in stock but the dreaded 2/14 date was what stopped them.

oh well i can wait

yep i had to go to 2 different best buys. the 1st one wouldnt budge from 2-14 either.

[BarneyBronson]

Originally Posted by ray0414

So im watching the MARTIAN in HDR on disc for the 1st time.

and it definitely beats the MGO version.

sharper, better blacks, and more color.

but this one has some sky banding. im not sure if the probably is the HDMI cable or what. turning on HDMI color makes things way worse.

i put the regular 1080P blu ray in, and it looks very weak in comparison. the resolution looked aweful, the colors were muted, and the depth of the picture was gone. easy choice choosing the UHD HDR version.

cheers for the feed back mate , im looking foward to getting on the UHD train myself but the player does'nt come out until may here. enjoy

[Agent_DVD]

Originally Posted by ray0414

yep i had to go to 2 different best buys. the 1st one wouldnt budge from 2-14 either.

Going to try a different one tomorrow before watching Deadpool so if they won't sell I will just come back Sunday.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by ray0414

So im watching the MARTIAN in HDR on disc for the 1st time.

and it definitely beats the MGO version.

sharper, better blacks, and more color.

but this one has some sky banding. im not sure if the probably is the HDMI cable or what. turning on HDMI color makes things way worse.

i put the regular 1080P blu ray in, and it looks very weak in comparison. the resolution looked aweful, the colors were muted, and the depth of the picture was gone. easy choice choosing the UHD HDR version.

Banding? #mikewasright launch titles hey...

[Geoff D]

Could still be the player mike, it sounds as if the bit depth is screwed on the Samsung. If ray has turned off Deep Colour then the player *may* be boiling the 10-bit source down to 8-bit and doing a piss poor job (and there's me worrying about the SDR transform, silly me, right?), but if he turns Deep Colour on to get the proper 10-bit output then it looks even worse which shouldn't be happening.

[Richard Paul]

There was a HEVC document released a while back that explained why banding would happen with 10-bit HDR. The problem is that SMPTE 2084 was designed for 12-bit and dither isn't that useful since HEVC encoding needs noise reduction for encoding HDR video. When they forced HEVC to encode noise they increased the average bit rate by a huge amount and were getting very high peak bit rates (with the peaks going over 300 Mbps). That is why noise reduction is a huge topic at the last few HEVC meetings since it is basically required for HDR.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

There was a HEVC document released a while back that explained why banding would happen with 10-bit HDR. The problem is that SMPTE 2084 was designed for 12-bit and dither isn't that useful since HEVC encoding needs noise reduction for encoding HDR video. When they forced HEVC to encode noise they increased the average bit rate by a huge amount and were getting very high peak bit rates (with the peaks going over 300 Mbps). That is why noise reduction is a huge topic at the last few HEVC meetings since it is basically required for HDR.

Aha, I knew I wasn't imagining it when I mentioned the need to de-noise HDR stuff to Stacey Spears in the Display tech thread: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post11845207

But I still think the player itself is having problems with the bit depth if the comments from people about Deep Colour making the picture look way worse are any indication. At best Deep Colour should simply pad the image with them extra bits and not add artefacting, instead of ruining the colour and blacks. That the player is failing to pass 10-bit gradients according to Spectracal's tests says it all.

[littlepooch21]

Originally Posted by Agent_DVD

No luck getting Best Buy to sell me some movies.... they had them in stock but the dreaded 2/14 date was what stopped them.

oh well i can wait

Yeah I went yesterday also and they wouldn't sell to me either. I got a little heated with the manager too. I will try another BB today on the way home.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But I still think the player itself is having problems with the bit depth if the comments from people about Deep Colour making the picture look way worse are any indication. At best Deep Colour should simply pad the image with them extra bits and not add artefacting, instead of ruining the colour and blacks. That the player is failing to pass 10-bit gradients according to Spectracal's tests says it all.

Indeed. If moving up from 8-bit color to 10-bit color introduces banding, something is very wrong!

[bbwiscfan]

I called yesterday but found no movies in any stores; they did say they get new shipments in on Fridays so today may be the day assuming they would sell them.

[bbwiscfan]

For anyone who lives in that area, I just found out several stores, Richfield and Maplewood have a bunch of Kingsman and The Martian copies in. I am going to stop by and see if I can get them; I didn't ask about the other Fox titles but I assume they will have most of them as well.

Happy hunting!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

my better half and I are leaving now (edit) to celebrate Valentine’s Day weekend in Palm Springs with longtime friends…and from there…onto yet again, our annual desert retreat

....Note to Richard Paul , Geoff et al.: the force be with you, if you’ve got the time, keep ‘em HPA informed while I’m away on desert sabbatical because what is presented here is often the precursor, or DNA if you will, to products, devices and services that consumers eventually spend their entertainment money on.

For those who didn’t get the hint….
http://us9.campaign-archive2.com/?u=...&id=7e34009724

With that….

Canned Heat - On The Road Again [HQ] - YouTube

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

First up on the HPA docket (subject to change) is to absorb the gravel presented by the ATSC Seminar or that of Charles Poynton, a presenter once referenced to by that old Army guy with the cool name of Stacey Spears .

Followed by….http://hollywoodpostalliance.org/?page_id=128302

Note to Richard Paul , Geoff et al.: the force be with you, if you’ve got the time, keep ‘em HPA informed while I’m away on desert sabbatical because what is presented here is often the precursor, or DNA if you will, to products, devices and services that consumers eventually spend their entertainment money on.

That should be an interesting conference and HPA has a very impressive list of speakers this year.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Aha, I knew I wasn't imagining it when I mentioned the need to de-noise HDR stuff to Stacey Spears in the Display tech thread: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post11845207

The HEVC document on noise was from June of last year and here is an extended version of it that was posted online.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But I still think the player itself is having problems with the bit depth if the comments from people about Deep Colour making the picture look way worse are any indication. At best Deep Colour should simply pad the image with them extra bits and not add artefacting, instead of ruining the colour and blacks. That the player is failing to pass 10-bit gradients according to Spectracal's tests says it all.

A few people on other forums say that Deep Color simply changes the video output from 10-bit to 12-bit. I don't know why increasing the bit depth would cause problems so it sounds like some kind of bug.

[gosabres1984]

Silly noob question here...

I see a few people already have some 4K Blu titles and some are available 2/14 at Best Buy...my question is, how do I watch them? The Samsung UBD-K8500 4K player (according to Amazon) doesn't have a release date yet. Are there other 4K players already available?

[carr857]

Amazon dropped the ball on the player. Many other members scored theirs from Best buy and crutchfield.

[Agent_DVD]

Originally Posted by gosabres1984

Silly noob question here...

I see a few people already have some 4K Blu titles and some are available 2/14 at Best Buy...my question is, how do I watch them? The Samsung UBD-K8500 4K player (according to Amazon) doesn't have a release date yet. Are there other 4K players already available?

Nope Samsung K8500 is the only game in town (for sometime). Best Buy is already shipping them out, so if you don't want to wait I recommend switching companies.

[Agent_DVD]

3rd Best Buy 3rd time striking out.... they will not budge just because of the date currently listed on the website.

Oh well, looks like Sunday it is.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

A few people on other forums say that Deep Color simply changes the video output from 10-bit to 12-bit. I don't know why increasing the bit depth would cause problems so it sounds like some kind of bug.

Yup, that's all Deep Colour has ever done without the content to support it: just changes the bit depth. But if I'm understanding you right it seems as if the native output with Deep Colour off is 10-bit so that's something of a relief. For the banding, it could just be that the player isn't jiving with certain TVs (like the major HDMI handshaking issue I had with an Oppo 95 and my Sony 4K TV when using the higher bit depth options), and given ray's issues it's kinda messed up that the Samsung player is having issues with Samsung TVs.

[fjerina]

Originally Posted by gosabres1984

Silly noob question here...

I see a few people already have some 4K Blu titles and some are available 2/14 at Best Buy...my question is, how do I watch them? The Samsung UBD-K8500 4K player (according to Amazon) doesn't have a release date yet. Are there other 4K players already available?

I got frustrated with Amazon (preordered it over a month ago) so canceled my order and ordered the player from Best Buy on-line. Best Buy had it shipped to me within a few hours after ordering it. I get it on Monday, 2/15, via UPS.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Agent_DVD

Does anyone actually know someone with motion seats at home?

yes, there are also some members of this forum that do