Shouldn't there be enough 4K content by now?

[Poya]

I get that people complain that it's pointless to upgrade because of the lack of content, but there have been many films that have been remastered in 4K and downsampled for the Blu-Ray. I might be naive on this, but why don't they use the 4K files of those films they created for the Blu-Ray and put them in a quad-layer BD-XL? There are tons of films out there that were finished, remastered, or shot in 4K.

[Tech-UK]

There is currently no standard for 4K content on Blu-ray, let alone equipment that could play it back.

Yes, some TV's may have a resolution of 4K, but that doesn't mean it can support 4K Blu-ray once its available.

I would personally wait until the next format or be it, sub-format is standardised, and players are available before purchasing a '4K' display.

[Poya]

Originally Posted by Tech-UK

There is currently no standard for 4K content on Blu-ray, let alone equipment that could play it back.

Yes, some TV's may have a resolution of 4K, but that doesn't mean it can support 4K Blu-ray once its available.

I would personally wait until the next format or be it, sub-format is standardised, and players are available before purchasing a '4K' display.

Yeah, there does need to be equipment for it, but hopefully, that should come around soon. I'm just saying that if they did remasters, obviously, they can put those remastered files on the disc. It'd be a huge file, but I'm fine with one disc being the feature and another disc being the special features. All that 128 GB should be for the film. It isn't going to look as good as a 4K movie in the cinema, but then again, if it is, then what's the point of going to the cinema if you can wait for a 4K movie on home media that's just as good as the theater? That could kill the film business.

[Wingman1977]

Originally Posted by Poya

Yeah, there does need to be equipment for it, but hopefully, that should come around soon. I'm just saying that if they did remasters, obviously, they can put those remastered files on the disc. It'd be a huge file, but I'm fine with one disc being the feature and another disc being the special features. All that 128 GB should be for the film. It isn't going to look as good as a 4K movie in the cinema, but then again, if it is, then what's the point of going to the cinema if you can wait for a 4K movie on home media that's just as good as the theater? That could kill the film business.

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[Tech-UK]

Originally Posted by Wingman1977

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These are NOT 4K disc's. All are 1080p.

Marketing ploy.

'Filmed in', 'optimised for' does not mean 4K resolution encoded on the Blu-ray.

[Tech-UK]

Sony's 'Mastered in 4K' line are superior to the original releases, because they have come from 4K masters and have been more tightly controlled, plus the bump in bit-rate.

But nowhere on the packaging does it state they are 4K Blu-ray's only 'Mastered in 4K' which they have been.

They are still all 1080p.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Poya

I get that people complain that it's pointless to upgrade because of the lack of content

Why not read the Real 4k disks - what do you think the rollout timeline will be? thread. I can assure you this is not a simple process. Is there a post house with all the hardware/software needed to do a workflow in 4K using H.265? Since HEVC is in the process of forming MPEG LA H.265/HEVC it could be awhile before we see hardware/software utilizing HEVC. BTW, I do not see Sony or Philips on that list, anyone have the scoop on that?

[img eL]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Since HEVC is in the process of forming MPEG LA H.265/HEVC it could be awhile before we see hardware/software utilizing HEVC. BTW, I do not see Sony or Philips on that list, anyone have the scoop on that?

Sony & Philips might be waiting on Version 2 of the HEVC/H.265 standard

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Tech-UK

Sony's 'Mastered in 4K' line are superior to the original releases, because they have come from 4K masters and have been more tightly controlled, plus the bump in bit-rate.

But nowhere on the packaging does it state they are 4K Blu-ray's only 'Mastered in 4K' which they have been.

They are still all 1080p.

In my opinion, We all know that but will the average consumer? I doubt it!

[Tech-UK]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

In my opinion, We all know that but will the average consumer? I doubt it!

That's the problem.

Which is why I try to explain it to people. And hopefully they will read what's being said on this forum and others.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Tech-UK

That's the problem.

Which is why I try to explain it to people. And hopefully they will read what's being said on this forum and others.

It's a hard task isn't it? It's like some people who bought blurays thinking they were full HD 3D only to discover the glasses were the cardboard variety and they were about to experience a Blue and Red wonderland.

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

In my opinion, We all know that but will the average consumer? I doubt it!

average consumer says it all - what does the average person want? Not enough people are screaming for true 4K content so it is not being pushed. As much as the studios would like to push this, the average person is really in control since there is a cost involved if better equipment is needed. If you just spent a small fortune getting a good tv, bluray and home theatre, do you want to spend that much again? It will happen in time but I think right now people are happy for the most part with what they have and it is a matter of selling them on why they need 4K.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

average consumer says it all - what does the average person want? Not enough people are screaming for true 4K content so it is not being pushed. As much as the studios would like to push this, the average person is really in control since there is a cost involved if better equipment is needed. If you just spent a small fortune getting a good tv, bluray and home theatre, do you want to spend that much again? It will happen in time but I think right now people are happy for the most part with what they have and it is a matter of selling them on why they need 4K.

No, the studios are NOT pushing this - it's no incremental revenue for them unless people double dip to buy the 4K versions. (For the record, traditional TV broadcasters did not even want digital and HD broadcasting as they saw huge capital costs and no incremental revenue streams.)

It's the hardware manufacturers who are pushing this. Sony is pushing it because they're both, but that's not the case for the other studios.

Cable TV and OTA broadcasters are not going to spend the many $ billions to redo their infrastructure once again to support 4K. It will eventually happen, but over a very long time period (a decade or more) as they hit the equipment replacement cycle. Hell, many broadcasters don't even broadcast at 1080i (never mind 1080p, which is not a current broadcast standard). They broadcast at 720p and no one can tell the difference. Can you tell the difference between CBS, NBC, FOX, PBS and ABC? ABC and FOX broadcasts at 720p and CBS, NBC and my local PBS station broadcasts at 1080i.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

average consumer says it all - what does the average person want? Not enough people are screaming for true 4K content so it is not being pushed. As much as the studios would like to push this, the average person is really in control since there is a cost involved if better equipment is needed. If you just spent a small fortune getting a good tv, bluray and home theatre, do you want to spend that much again? It will happen in time but I think right now people are happy for the most part with what they have and it is a matter of selling them on why they need 4K.

But by that logic the industry would never advance. We would still be stuck with VHS.

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

But by that logic the industry would never advance. We would still be stuck with VHS.

High end Sony Super VHS and SuperBeta VCRs... - YouTube

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by img eL

High end Sony Super VHS and SuperBeta VCRs... - YouTube

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

But by that logic the industry would never advance. We would still be stuck with VHS.

but look how long it took to get away from vhs when there were other formats. Why didn't laserdisc succeed? There needs to be a reason for the average people to want the next step. With dvd, it was obvious that there was a huge improvement over vhs which was something the public could see. How many times did your vcr eat a tape? How many times did you watch a movie that was so worn out you could barely see a picture? DVD was huge so people were willing to spend money to get the improvement. Since then, they really haven't sold bluray/4K as a huge improvement over dvd. How many times have your heard people say that an upconverted dvd will look as good as a bluray? It is nuts but people say it and believe it. Until they really sell the idea that this should be the standard, the average person won't care.

If the studios weren't somewhat pushing for this, it wouldn't even be an option. No manufacturer is going to create something like this with the hopes that the studios will think it is a good idea and get on board with it. Why spent millions when there is a chance you will be told "thanks but no thanks"? I think like HDDVD, most are just waiting to see what Sony can do with it before jumping on board but with Sony doing it, who else do you need?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

but look how long it took to get away from vhs when there were other formats. Why didn't laserdisc succeed? There needs to be a reason for the average people to want the next step. With dvd, it was obvious that there was a huge improvement over vhs which was something the public could see. How many times did your vcr eat a tape? How many times did you watch a movie that was so worn out you could barely see a picture? DVD was huge so people were willing to spend money to get the improvement. Since then, they really haven't sold bluray/4K as a huge improvement over dvd. How many times have your heard people say that an upconverted dvd will look as good as a bluray? It is nuts but people say it and believe it. Until they really sell the idea that this should be the standard, the average person won't care.

If the studios weren't somewhat pushing for this, it wouldn't even be an option. No manufacturer is going to create something like this with the hopes that the studios will think it is a good idea and get on board with it. Why spent millions when there is a chance you will be told "thanks but no thanks"? I think like HDDVD, most are just waiting to see what Sony can do with it before jumping on board but with Sony doing it, who else do you need?

Again though, if manufacturers never took a chance on a product where would we be? Same for the industry. None of them are to know what will take off and vice versa

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Wingman1977

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Although once in awhile we forget a title ( https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ns#post8714645 )

Regarding available 4K finishes from the DI suite, I think these are the two most comprehensive and original (as evidenced by the timing of input additions) 4K lists anywhere on the internet -

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=218262
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=220755

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Why not read the Real 4k disks - what do you think the rollout timeline will be? thread.

It’s still not too infested by anti-4K trolls….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=226203 but alas, everyone likes to toot their own horn….

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