Real 4k disks - what do you think the rollout timeline will be?

[stevo4264]

Put me down for 2015

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by stevo4264

Put me down for 2015

Done .

Tally so far…

2014 – 6½ votes
2015 – 7½ votes
2015 – 2016 – (meaning a two year time span) ½ vote
2016 – 1 vote
2018 – 1 vote

Has Ray voted yet?

[Wendell R. Breland]

A post by Ron Jones here that I found interesting.

Also a technical committee of the Blu-ray Disc Association is currently working on the standard for the next generation Blu-ray Discs that will include support for 4K UHD. The specification is expected to be completed by early 2014 and if that happens on schedule then the first UHD compatible Blu-ray players and movies should be released around a year from now. Of course, things could be delayed until a 2015 rollout, but it appears that several of the consumer electronics manufacturers are now pushing to get Blu-ray 4K UHD out as soon as possible and hopefully the movie studios will also get behind it and support the format.

[punkguy03]

The real question is when will consumers support the format? I'm all for higher def, however my tv isn't big enough to really take advantage of 4k.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by punkguy03

The real question is when will consumers support the format? I'm all for higher def, however my tv isn't big enough to really take advantage of 4k.

don't know if it is or not, but I will assume you don't have a 4k TV now so you can't see 4k (you will just have 4k downscaled to 1080p which should be slightly better) an when you do get a new TV how can you know now how big it will be.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

A post by Ron Jones here that I found interesting.

cool

[Wendell R. Breland]

Please find a PDF attached to this post. The PDF contains a series of vertical bars that represent 1920 and 3840 as would be seen on a 16x9, 92W x 52H (106" D) screen. You will need a good quality printer and make sure you set Acrobat to not scale or fit the drawing. Measure the 6" line to insure that it prints correctly.

For me: I can see clearly see the 1920 black & white lines at > 19' and the 3840 lines at 11'. My vision with astigmatism correction is L 20-13, R 20-15.

Keep in mind that no sampled source, 1920 or 3840 (camera, scanner, etc.) will be as high in resolution as the respective bars in this chart.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

A post by Ron Jones

Everyone only gets one vote and I don’t know how to tabulate what you linked…as 2014 or not? , i.e. - Ron's post....

"Also a technical committee of the Blu-ray Disc Association is currently working on the standard for the next generation Blu-ray Discs that will include support for 4K UHD. The specification is expected to be completed by early 2014 and if that happens on schedule then the first UHD compatible Blu-ray players and movies should be released around a year from now. Of course, things could be delayed until a 2015 rollout, but it appears that several of the consumer electronics manufacturers are now pushing to get Blu-ray 4K UHD out as soon as possible and hopefully the movie studios will also get behind it and support the format."

b.t.w., I’m told Ron also said the following which I think is a little more definitive but lacking - “It's my understanding that the Hobbit, when shown in theaters at high frame rate (i.e., 48 fps), was only shown with 2K resolution for the 3D presentation. It was said that limitation was due to the interface (non HDMI) used on the commercial digital cinema projectors.”

Fact is the primary limitation of showing The Hobbit in 2K resolution (no matter what be the frame rate or dimension) was because no 4K masters were made in the first place. These are all 2K....
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...le#post7361454

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

My vision with astigmatism correction is L 20-13, R 20-15.

Not bad, given your age. Not bad at all.
I hope you're appreciative.

[HyperRealist]

I vote never.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I hope you're appreciative.

Oh I am . The same for my hearing, still > 15KHz on a good day. I have developed a low level ringing in my hearing that comes and goes. Lipo-Flavonoid Plus helps some. But I am not complaining.

[pentatonic]

With tech evolving at its present speed, and seemingly on an almost logarithmic expansion I believe that if 8K is their ultimate goal we'll see a 4K BD soon enough, I would expect possible beta runs late 2014, early 2015 as past that I'm almost certain we will go all digital. The generation who's buying power will decide the outcome will be in the hands of ours kids and since grade school, PCs, and later on ultrabooks or powerful tablets, itunes, Google Cloud, Dropbox is for them "IT" and now. I just happen to have 5 18-25 years old in my family, my daughter being the only non gamer.

Here is what they own total

5 Xbox 360
4-5 PS3
5 50-60" for console gaming, mostly watch TV stuff on the net
5 laptops
2 iPhone 5
1 S4
1 Note II
1 HTC One

Total monthly bandwidth Cells: over 30 GBs
Total monthly bandwidth ISP: over 1TB
Total CDs owned: maybe 50
Total Hires audio: 0
BD players: 1 (never used)
Total # times they borrowed a BD that was offered: 3
PC games owned: a lot
PC games owned on Steam: over 80%
Console games owned: lost track fast
Console games on the PS store or MS: Not as much as steam.

But when asked about MS' backtrack on the "Always on, authentication needed" they all thought it should of stayed like it was first announced, they like the Cloud, they use the Cloud and will get it.

As our generation has evolved because of visionaries (Gates, Jobs, Lucas etc.) we have learned to be careful with change, Every new OS that MS has ever put out as had a long adjustment period, and I'm sure , like many, you also didn't want to let go of 98, then XP, and now 8, and 8 pro is their best OS yet, but when change is introduced, there is always a backlash. Not so for the younger generation. Remember, we as parents put a lot of pressure on them to perform at a very young age, and willingly give them every tool possible to do so. Try to remember when is the last time you had family gatherings without pesky annoying cell phones interrupting.

Long story short: We, as a generation, don't really count as much. Niche markets have always existed and will always do, but the mass with purchasing power will very soon only demand cloud access. I personally love it, can play my steam games anywhere, listen to my music in my car through my cell accessing my 1.6 TBs of music. Difference is I use WAV and not MP3, but I've yet to meet one in that age group that cares about that, hell most don't know what WAV is or even in which format itunes rips it.

Give them plug and play and it's gonna sell, give them too much specs, they just don't give a sh*t.

Oh and one the subject of personal glasses, they all want some now, for them socializing is Facebook anyways....

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by HyperRealist

I vote never.

Sorry Hyper, but to me, the OP’s query in post #1 “what do you think the rollout timeline will be?” suggests when (i.e. as in what year), not ‘if’.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

late 2014, early 2015

^ Done.

Tally so far…

2014 – 7 votes
2015 – 8 votes
2015 – 2016 – (meaning a two year time span) ½ vote
2016 – 1 vote
2018 – 1 vote

*On a side note to brother pentatonic, due to work obligations my wife and I had to postpone our planned trip to Hawaii but, we’re trying for this coming winter. Also, I’m told the Red users are still waiting for the Redray player to ship (other than to a handful of testers that have received them). I think that catches us up on the news since last we spoke.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

With tech evolving at its present speed, and seemingly on an almost logarithmic expansion I believe that if 8K is their ultimate goal we'll see a 4K BD soon enough, I would expect possible beta runs late 2014, early 2015 as past that I'm almost certain we will go all digital. The generation who's buying power will decide the outcome will be in the hands of ours kids and since grade school, PCs, and later on ultrabooks or powerful tablets, itunes, Google Cloud, Dropbox is for them "IT" and now. I just happen to have 5 18-25 years old in my family, my daughter being the only non gamer.

Here is what they own total

5 Xbox 360
4-5 PS3
5 50-60" for console gaming, mostly watch TV stuff on the net
5 laptops
2 iPhone 5
1 S4
1 Note II
1 HTC One

Total monthly bandwidth Cells: over 30 GBs
Total monthly bandwidth ISP: over 1TB
Total CDs owned: maybe 50
Total Hires audio: 0
BD players: 1 (never used)
Total # times they borrowed a BD that was offered: 3
PC games owned: a lot
PC games owned on Steam: over 80%
Console games owned: lost track fast
Console games on the PS store or MS: Not as much as steam.

But when asked about MS' backtrack on the "Always on, authentication needed" they all thought it should of stayed like it was first announced, they like the Cloud, they use the Cloud and will get it.

As our generation has evolved because of visionaries (Gates, Jobs, Lucas etc.) we have learned to be careful with change, Every new OS that MS has ever put out as had a long adjustment period, and I'm sure , like many, you also didn't want to let go of 98, then XP, and now 8, and 8 pro is their best OS yet, but when change is introduced, there is always a backlash. Not so for the younger generation. Remember, we as parents put a lot of pressure on them to perform at a very young age, and willingly give them every tool possible to do so. Try to remember when is the last time you had family gatherings without pesky annoying cell phones interrupting.

Long story short: We, as a generation, don't really count as much. Niche markets have always existed and will always do, but the mass with purchasing power will very soon only demand cloud access. I personally love it, can play my steam games anywhere, listen to my music in my car through my cell accessing my 1.6 TBs of music. Difference is I use WAV and not MP3, but I've yet to meet one in that age group that cares about that, hell most don't know what WAV is or even in which format itunes rips it.

Give them plug and play and it's gonna sell, give them too much specs, they just don't give a sh*t.

Oh and one the subject of personal glasses, they all want some now, for them socializing is Facebook anyways....

Personal glasses? No teens are going to wear those. At least IMO.
I see plenty young people still watching dvd\blurays. My nephews borrow mine on a weekly basis.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Oh I am . The same for my hearing, still > 15KHz on a good day...

I’ve never been tested but I think (italicized on purpose) that the hearing in my right ear might not be as good as it could be due to years of racing motorcycles with loud expansion chambers to reap as much hp as possible out of the engines.

Because of this potential hearing deficiency which could be biasing my judgment as to the value of better audio for UHD, I tend not to post as much about the future 4K tv augment of better sound, whether it be channel or object-based (think of Dolby Atmos) than so with quick references like this - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...io#post8230374 That’s not to say though that I know some serious home theater enthusiasts would argue that better sound is just as important, or more so, for them than better video….and rightfully so.

I really should stop procrastinating about my hearing and just get tested. It’s just that I know it will require 3 Doctor’s visits (a lot of time, including driving to and from...in SoCal ) so I keep putting it off. Plus, my co-pay to see a specialist jumped to $40. this year because the company cut heath benefits, so right there, I’m looking at a minimum of probably a $120. bill to get an answer.

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

*On a side note to brother pentatonic, due to work obligations my wife and I had to postpone our planned trip to Hawaii but, we’re trying for this coming winter. Also, I’m told the Red users are still waiting for the Redray player to ship (other than to a handful of testers that have received them). I think that catches us up on the news since last we spoke.

Hey bro, it's been awhile I do say. Darn break and I remember how you needed this particular trip. But hey, you out of all here know that we need to eat omelettes once in a while. Hoping you do make it this year, and for my US colleagues, do take this for what it is, but Hawai seems to have the perfect mix of Polynesia and all that's good about Americans. I will go back buddy, so enjoy.

As for Red, you obviously remember my original take on that is seems, I truly wonder how some can be so anti-BD to the core to be fanboys of such a crock of bs. The concept has huge merits and had this been managed by real pros, it could of been such a good viable market. What really fascinates me is the core still dedicated to such a limping half-assed solution.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Personal glasses? No teens are going to wear those. At least IMO.
I see plenty young people still watching dvd\blurays. My nephews borrow mine on a weekly basis.

Oh, please do take this as what is is, a very targeted sample, but their adoption rate to tech that is affordable (iphones are progressively being dropped for mostly the Galaxy line, cheaper, the OS is now as good if not better in many ways to iOS)

But if I add their friends, I'd say at most 15% know what HD really is outside of the now famous 1080p number, I tell you most don't know what the 1080p really means.

Experience #2. I've been fairly well setup in HT for now over 7 years with a 60" (sitting ranges from 8-10'). I've played movies for them all the time when they's come over. Having a Harmony also meant they went on their own.

Out of all my movies played (and my collection as been on hold now for over 2 years and sold over 500 over that, figure 1200 at its peak) and outside of the Harry potter series, only a few made them go wow, and 25-30 mins in the volume would go down as they're also texting and FBing.

I expressedly purchased concert BDs for them (Some I even never mentioned I had lol). Reaction? Why didn't you get it on DVD so we could rip it to our devices.

To be fair and I wonder if it has any real meaning, but the young crowd I'm describing is all mid-upper scale Uni students, so possibly they out of all younger people need the practicality of digital storage in a Cloud environment, I know my daughter manages much more digital storage in a Cloud environment that I probably ever did on my home server until lately, and that's with my S III.

Happy to read it might be more of an exclusive thing, but one day we'll all look back at this thread and think how moronic (apologies but this is applicable to me also) we were of needing that piece of plastic. You know, money isn't real also. Why would I buy a $20 CD that I'm just gonna rip to my server so I can use it anywhere. Might as buy the flac d/l, that's what I want, darn who uses CDs in there car anymore!

Just my vision is all, and I might be totally wrong about it.

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Personal glasses? No teens are going to wear those. At least IMO.
I see plenty young people still watching dvd\blurays. My nephews borrow mine on a weekly basis.

Oh, I meant to ask, are your nephews on their own or still at home? That makes a huge difference. On their own they also need to buy the TV, player, sound?
Which brings me to sound, out of all those I've mentioned, none yet has a 5.1 rig, they like the idea, but new games, PC upgrades, Cell quick upgrades and the likes are way higher on there priority list,

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

Oh, I meant to ask, are your nephews on their own or still at home? That makes a huge difference. On their own they also need to buy the TV, player, sound?
Which brings me to sound, out of all those I've mentioned, none yet has a 5.1 rig, they like the idea, but new games, PC upgrades, Cell quick upgrades and the likes are way higher on there priority list,

Living with parents. Both have 40 inch plus TVs. Also both have PS3. Any films they watch, they use PS3. My oldest nephew (21) listens to iPod touch in bed and also watches the odd tv show on his ipad mini. Same with other nephew. They both work by the way. It's tough in my part of UK for people to get on property ladder.

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Living with parents. Both have 40 inch plus TVs. Also both have PS3. Any films they watch, they use PS3. My oldest nephew (21) listens to iPod touch in bed and also watches the odd tv show on his ipad mini. Same with other nephew. They both work by the way. It's tough in my part of UK for people to get on property ladder.

I don't doubt at all, it is getting harder and harder for them to own, they need 2 very good jobs as a minimum. The only reason I was asking is if I look at my 2 tech nephews, their tech expenses radically changed when they went on their own. And I've noticed that in general if it's not game related, cell related, net access, it kinda skips a few steps down in their list of priorities. And owning the media in hard copy, while still somewhat important, but more and more just buy the d/l, no need to be at Gamestop at 12:00, it's pre downloaded and just needs activation.