What do you think about 3D? Do you like it? Hate it? Think it's better than 4K?

[etype55]

Originally Posted by andyman1970

I agree. I think the only real market for home 3D is going to be the die-hard gamers and younger people who are taken in by fads like this. Personally, I'm hoping 3D will go the way of virtual reality.

My partner and I are educated and in our 30's, and we make very comfortable wages. Many of our friends have greater accomplishments than we have ourselves. And we all love the 3D. We're not the only ones to have made the jump. So what was this about young people easily duped into fads?

But I haven't done any research so perhaps we're a complete anomaly. Have you done any research ? What were your results? What was your methodology? Or was that just groundless speculation?

Have whatever opinion you want people but don't say stupid things.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Blu-ray Fanatic

I see what you're saying but without the proper equipment, it won't be the same and the content may appear awkward. In my opinion, you'll get a better experience with the proper equipment.

Obviously equipment matters. But that is always true (a cheap 720p 2D TV won't give you the same effect as the top of the line TV from the same manufacturer or a better one). I think Petra's point is that the person that is buying an end of line TV advertised at X00$ cheaper might be buying a 2D TV because he can't find a 3D TV in his budget and when the second generation 3D TVs start appearing and this generation 3D TVs are on the shelves with x00$ off that things might change.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by octagon

If you measure success by household penetration then you're probably right. Things will likely get to a point (and sooner rather than later) where it doesn't make sense for manufacturers to not include 3D capabilities.

If you measure success by how many people atually use it then it seems 3D could still go the way of BDLive - it looks good on a sticker but people turn it off the second they get it home.

But BD live adds nothing when viewing the movie/TV show. 3D means you see the content the way it was meant to be seen. We can all mess around with the settings on our displays to get a B&W movie, we can all mute/unplug receiver/connections to make them silent movies. And when talkies and colour where new people described them as gimmicky and that they will ruin the movie experience, but in the end there are very few nut cases that will go to extremes to live in the past.

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by andyman1970

I agree. I think the only real market for home 3D is going to be the die-hard gamers and younger people who are taken in by fads like this. Personally, I'm hoping 3D will go the way of virtual reality.

Historically speaking, there were people who hated and called sound, color and widescreen fads. Sound, in particular, was detested and criticized heavily for ruining the "art" of film.

There will always be people to condemn changes to the way we see and hear movies. But given that Hollywood is currently investing just as much in 3D technology, and producing as many movies as possible in 3D, as they did with color in the 50's, it's safe to say 3D isn't going away this time.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

But BD live adds nothing when viewing the movie/TV show. 3D means you see the content the way it was meant to be seen.

Are hockey games meant to be seen at home in 3D? If so, meant by whom, exactly? The NHL? Cable networks? God? Do I get a vote?

Originally Posted by Anthony P

We can all mess around with the settings on our displays to get a B&W movie, we can all mute/unplug receiver/connections to make them silent movies. And when talkies and colour where new people described them as gimmicky and that they will ruin the movie experience, but in the end there are very few nut cases that will go to extremes to live in the past.

I see. So basically the world is divided into two - and only two - camps: those who enthusiastically embrace home 3D and Luddites?

Don't get me wrong, I can certainly live with that.

I'm just curious if that's really how you see things.

[Allforce]

Originally Posted by octagon

Are hockey games meant to be seen at home in 3D? If so, meant by whom, exactly? The NHL? Cable networks? God? Do I get a vote?

3D is the only way to watch Sidney Crosby take a dive or whine to an official.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by octagon

Are hockey games meant to be seen at home in 3D? If so, meant by whom, exactly? The NHL? Cable networks? God? Do I get a vote?

I think Anthony meant that we see in 3d stereoscopic vision every day in life, so if u go to a hockey game live in person that's how u are seeing it, in 3d.

[Atreyu]

Not sure if 3D is a fad, but will be in the Market to get a bigger set within the next few months and will go 3D. If I don't and find out a ways down the road that 3D does take off, what am I gonna do, shell out money for a new set? Don't think so, I'll risk the extra cash now and see what happens.

[BBE]

Originally Posted by Atreyu

Not sure if 3D is a fad, but will be in the Market to get a bigger set within the next few months and will go 3D. If I don't and find out a ways down the road that 3D does take off, what am I gonna do, shell out money for a new set? Don't think so, I'll risk the extra cash now and see what happens.

I've thought about checking into upgrading my set to a 3D set as well, but my biggest concern is, the set I already have is damn near perfection for 2D content. It's a 60 inch pioneer elite kuro 8G. So as far as 2D content goes, I feel like I may be downgrading the quality of all 2D content I watch just to be able to watch 3D. And let's face it, 2D still makes up 99 percent of what everyone watches.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by octagon

Are hockey games meant to be seen at home in 3D? If so, meant by whom, exactly? The NHL? Cable networks? God? Do I get a vote?

sports would be different but I said movies/TV shows, in the movie/TV show the people making the movie decides what they want you to experience. Cameron decided to make Avatar in 3D because that is how he thought it should be experienced, the same with any other 3D film/TV show. If you want to experience what he wants you to experience then 3D is the way to go.

I see. So basically the world is divided into two - and only two - camps: those who enthusiastically embrace home 3D and Luddites?

Don't get me wrong, I can certainly live with that.

I'm just curious if that's really how you see things.

not at all. quite the opposite. You said that except for fannboys people might buy a 3D TV (forced upon them by manufacturers that want to say "we sold a 3D TV") and go out of their way not to use it. So I asked if he thinks many people must/disable the audio and calibrate the image to only show B&W. I think you might have fanboys and you might even have luditites (to use your term) but the vast majority will use what is available to them, and if the next TV they buy is 3D (even if the only reason they got 3D is that all TVs are 3D) then they will use it and not think about it twice.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

You said that except for fannboys people might buy a 3D TV (forced upon them by manufacturers that want to say "we sold a 3D TV") and go out of their way not to use it.

That wasn't really what I was saying at all. I'm personally ambivelant about 3D but don't have any strong feelings about whether it will or will not succeed.

My point was simply that household penetration alone might not be the most accurate measure of consumer acceptance or enthusiasm.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by octagon

That wasn't really what I was saying at all. I'm personally ambivelant about 3D but don't have any strong feelings about whether it will or will not succeed.

My point was simply that household penetration alone might not be the most accurate measure of consumer acceptance or enthusiasm.

But I don't see why anyone will buy and have a 3D TV (even if it is the only choice) and then when they have 3D content say "Oh no I don't want to watch 3D so I will just watch it in 2d". Now don’t get me wrong, it can happen that the guy has 4 pairs of glasses and there are 10 people so the choice is taken away from him for that viewing, but then has 3D TV and watches 3D other times will still apply.

[brando79az]

3d is a fad... a way to encourage sales if only for a couple years.

I agree to go the way of the consumer. I am all for the options. I am fine with the tv’s that offer both. If I find a cheaper tv because it is only 2d, I will probably go with that because I hate wearing the glasses.

My beef will be with the movie companies and their blu distributions. I already don’t like getting the combo packs of blu, dvd and digital copy. And now I am afraid the bigger budget movies will offer all 4 when all I want is the one blu disk! Disney did me proud with their recent choice of 3d or 2d Tron Legacy but the combos will be coming and we, as consumers, will have no choice but to buy the combos… and that just irritates me!

When we get the high def hologram, viewable from all angles I’m down… until then, 2d for me!

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

But I don't see why anyone will buy and have a 3D TV (even if it is the only choice) and then when they have 3D content say "Oh no I don't want to watch 3D so I will just watch it in 2d". Now don’t get me wrong, it can happen that the guy has 4 pairs of glasses and there are 10 people so the choice is taken away from him for that viewing, but then has 3D TV and watches 3D other times will still apply.

Me! It's a given that my next TV next year will be a 3D movie.I am going bigger and new. I doubt very much I will be able to find a TV that won't have the 3D option included. I won't have any interest in using it however.

[Sopranogl]

George Lucas is gonna re-release his Star Wars movies in 3D.... What a money-grubbing putz. 3D effects cannot save LOUSY movies.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Me! It's a given that my next TV next year will be a 3D movie.I am going bigger and new. I doubt very much I will be able to find a TV that won't have the 3D option included. I won't have any interest in using it however.

P@t, that is my point. We all know you hate 3D. It would not surprise me if you do that next year. But you don't represent J6P. Do you believe that none-3D haters will do that as well? Octagone said 3D sets are forced on people and they will count those as 3D sales and say "see people are interested in 3D" when the real number should be how many use the 3D features of the set. I asked how many people mute/ stop sound and set the TVs to have zero colour because both sound and colour was equally forced on people. So he asked if I think there are only haters and fanboys. To which I was pointing out that no I think there are many people in between and a fanboy/enthusiast will buy something early and pick it for that reason a hater might not use even if forced to buy it because he hates it but the vast majority which falls in between and will use it because it is there and there is no reason to go against it. I can’t see where the haters will be so many that they would actually change the numbers. Especially since penetration is not an exact number to begin with.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Me! It's a given that my next TV next year will be a 3D movie.I am going bigger and new. I doubt very much I will be able to find a TV that won't have the 3D option included. I won't have any interest in using it however.

Considering your HT gallery is full of stars wars toys, I reckon u will use the 3d feature after Lucas releases the star wars films in 3d, u just won't tell anyone and will continue to say u hate it.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by brandoaz79

3d is a fad... a way to encourage sales if only for a couple years.

Sound, color, widescreen, and surround sound were all just ways to encourage sales, particularly in theaters. Theaters needed to compete with TV, and they did it by putting forth better technical features. Stereoscopy is just one of the more recent ones to catch on in theaters, and it's the most recent to be adopted into homes.

Using the word "fad" to describe it is pretty silly. Fads are things which are popular for a brief time and then slip into obscurity. Stereoscopy was hip for a while before, but never before has it been like it is now. It might have been a fad before, but it's slipped beyond that. Reason: technology can actually functionally support it (no red/cyan anaglyph), not only in theaters, but in the home now too.

[poke smot]

Originally Posted by Mr. Al

I tried that out at Future Shop yesterday. Definitely thinking about buying one.

what was the price on the lg polarized?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

To which I was pointing out that no I think there are many people in between and a fanboy/enthusiast will buy something early and pick it for that reason a hater might not use even if forced to buy it because he hates it but the vast majority which falls in between and will use it because it is there and there is no reason to go against it. I can’t see where the haters will be so many that they would actually change the numbers. Especially since penetration is not an exact number to begin with.

Almost 70% of US households currently have an HDTV but even counting PS3s a little less than 20% of US households have a BD player. That's a pretty significant gap. Basically half of US households have a high-def tv but don't have a high-def player. I'm sure we all know people who have newer sets that haven't even upgraded their cable/sat packages let alone gotten a BD player.

Do they all hate HD content? Of course not. But they do seem pretty indifferent to it. It's just not a big deal to them.

My impression is a lot of people are in a simlilar place with regard to home 3D. They don't hate it but it's not worth dealing with glasses or paying a higher price for content.

Might that change? Sure. There's too much money and big-name talent behind it to write it off. But it's not a lock and the tv numbers won't tell us if/when it happens. Those numbers are likely to go up regardless of whether consumers embrace home 3D or not.