The Hobbit Trilogy Discussion Thread - Page 91 - Blu-ray Forum

Grand Bob · 02-22-2011, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Witch King of Angmar

Middle-earth according to Mordor
http://www.salon.com/books/laura_mil...rer/index.html

Doesn't sound too good. By the way, many people other than this author seem be confused about the "overly simplistic morality" of Tolkien's Middle-earth. They might want to explain how that applies to Boromir, Denethor, Feanor, Eol, Maeglin, Turin, etc., etc. Sauron "was not evil in the beginning", and even Gollum had his close moment of redemption.

radagast · 02-22-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Doesn't sound too good. By the way, many people other than this author seem be confused about the "overly simplistic morality" of Tolkien's Middle-earth. They might want to explain how that applies to Boromir, Denethor, Feanor, Eol, Maeglin, Turin, etc., etc. Sauron "was not evil in the beginning", and even Gollum had his close moment of redemption.

You gotta remember something, my friend. There are many people out there associated with books and movies, who have a negative reaction to Tollkien because he was a RC.

bytor_one · 02-22-2011, 08:54 PM

Amazingly Ive never read the hobbit. I have no idea what happens in it, which is kind of cool. The set pic looks good though.

Member-115369 · 02-22-2011, 09:14 PM

I think the notion of good and evil is pretty simple in LOTR. Yeah, some characters are redeemed etc. but it's mostly pretty basic. Orcs=pure evil etc.

I don't see that as a knock. Black and white distinctions between good and evil are incredibly prevalent in literature, film etc. People enjoy that more than a lot of morally ambiguous characters etc. it seems.

Mahatma · 02-22-2011, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bytor_one

Amazingly Ive never read the hobbit. I have no idea what happens in it, which is kind of cool. The set pic looks good though.

You owe yourself to read it.The movie will be very different-like the LotR movies.I can recommend the annotated edition.Beautiful harback with useful and useless tidbits about the text

Pondosinatra · 02-22-2011, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bytor_one

Amazingly Ive never read the hobbit. I have no idea what happens in it, which is kind of cool. The set pic looks good though.

"In a hole lived a Hobbit.....and a bunch of stuff happens....The End"

There now you don't have to

Grand Bob · 02-23-2011, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by radagast

There are many people out there associated with books and movies, who have a negative reaction to Tollkien because he was a RC.

True, and that was despite his attempt to keep obvious references to religion out of LotR. But after selling a couple hundred of million copies of LotR and The Hobbit (and the continued interest in his work as is evident in this thread), it appears as though he had the last laugh.

radagast · 02-23-2011, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bytor_one

Amazingly Ive never read the hobbit. I have no idea what happens in it, which is kind of cool. The set pic looks good though.

If you've seen Lord of the Rings, then there were flashbacks to events that occur in The Hobbit.

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Originally Posted by dmaul1114

I think the notion of good and evil is pretty simple in LOTR. Yeah, some characters are redeemed etc. but it's mostly pretty basic. Orcs=pure evil etc.

I don't see that as a knock. Black and white distinctions between good and evil are incredibly prevalent in literature, film etc. People enjoy that more than a lot of morally ambiguous characters etc. it seems.

Even some of the good guys in The Hobbit have flaws.

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Duffy12 · 02-23-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by radagast

Even some of the good guys in The Hobbit have flaws.

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Plus,

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Pondosinatra · 02-23-2011, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Grand Bob

True, and that was despite his attempt to keep obvious references to religion out of LotR. But after selling a couple hundred of million copies of LotR and The Hobbit (and the continued interest in his work as is evident in this thread), it appears as though he had the last laugh.

Why? No one had a problem with C.S. Lewis who's books had blatant Christian themes in them...(personally I think the idea that God is just a big cuddly lion would be awesome!)

Ernest Rister · 02-23-2011, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by radagast

The same could be said about Merry and Pippin. In the books, they were aware of what Frodo was going through and were determined to go with him and Sam. The movie just made them look like vegetable-stealing, pranksters who set off fireworks in an inappropriate manner.

Well, they do confront Frodo after the Black Rider incident, and they make the same choice as they do in the book, just at a different moment.

Member-115369 · 02-23-2011, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

Why? No one had a problem with C.S. Lewis who's books had blatant Christian themes in them...

I didn't like those books for just that reason personally. Just didn't appeal to me as an atheist.

binarymelon · 02-23-2011, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dmaul1114

I didn't like those books for just that reason personally. Just didn't appeal to me as an atheist.

Just rip the final chapter out. Before that it's just simply borrowing aspects of one piece of fiction in another.

radagast · 02-23-2011, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Duffy12

Plus,

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True that. There are probably other examples as well. Thorin was the first one that came to mind.

frogmort · 02-23-2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by radagast

True that. There are probably other examples as well. Thorin was the first one that came to mind.

Like Bilbo lying to Gandalf about how he got the ring.

Member-115369 · 02-23-2011, 05:24 PM

I wasn't saying they're aren't any examples of morally amibiguous characters in the saga.

Just that the overall, main story is a simple, classic good vs. evil tale. And I love it, so that's not a knock. But it's pretty simple that Sauron and the Orcs are evil, the fellowship are good. Of course individual characters have a bit more moral ground.

frogmort · 02-23-2011, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dmaul1114

I wasn't saying they're aren't any examples of morally amibiguous characters in the saga.

Just that the overall, main story is a simple, classic good vs. evil tale. And I love it, so that's not a knock. But it's pretty simple that Sauron and the Orcs are evil, the fellowship are good. Of course individual characters have a bit more moral ground.

Sauron's not that bad, he just hung out with the wrong crowd when he was younger. If he would've just stayed away from Melkor...

Darkhawk9587 · 02-23-2011, 08:27 PM

If you guys are arguing about the simplicity of LotR, I can't wait to hear what you have to say about this, given that The Hobbit was originally intended for children.

frogmort · 02-23-2011, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkhawk9587

If you guys are arguing about the simplicity of LotR, I can't wait to hear what you have to say about this, given that The Hobbit was originally intended for children.

I do agree that for the most part, the good vs. evil is pretty cut & dried in LOTR, but the story,(especially the books), are very complex. I have read LOTR at least once a year since I was about 15 or so,(I'm 40), and still find things I've either not noticed, or forgot.
The Hobbit on the other hand is nowhere near as daunting, but still an awesome story!

Darkhawk9587 · 02-23-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by frogmort

I do agree that for the most part, the good vs. evil is pretty cut & dried in LOTR, but the story,(especially the books), are very complex. I have read LOTR at least once a year since I was about 15 or so,(I'm 40), and still find things I've either not noticed, or forgot.
The Hobbit on the other hand is nowhere near as daunting, but still an awesome story!

Agreed. The LotR is definitely very complex, but in a good way. I am excited to reread both of these again soon.

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02-22-2011, 08:54 PM	#1803
bytor_one Senior Member Member since:Dec 2009 Location:New Jersey Blu-ray collection:58	Amazingly Ive never read the hobbit. I have no idea what happens in it, which is kind of cool. The set pic looks good though.

02-22-2011, 09:14 PM	#1804
Member-115369 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2010 4K collection:3 Blu-ray collection:241 DVD collection:165	I think the notion of good and evil is pretty simple in LOTR. Yeah, some characters are redeemed etc. but it's mostly pretty basic. Orcs=pure evil etc. I don't see that as a knock. Black and white distinctions between good and evil are incredibly prevalent in literature, film etc. People enjoy that more than a lot of morally ambiguous characters etc. it seems.

02-23-2011, 05:24 PM	#1816
Member-115369 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2010 4K collection:3 Blu-ray collection:241 DVD collection:165	I wasn't saying they're aren't any examples of morally amibiguous characters in the saga. Just that the overall, main story is a simple, classic good vs. evil tale. And I love it, so that's not a knock. But it's pretty simple that Sauron and the Orcs are evil, the fellowship are good. Of course individual characters have a bit more moral ground.

02-23-2011, 08:27 PM	#1818
Darkhawk9587 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Wisconsin 4K collection:66 Blu-ray collection:487 Trading Score:30	If you guys are arguing about the simplicity of LotR, I can't wait to hear what you have to say about this, given that The Hobbit was originally intended for children.

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