That is quite understandable since the book is a short one.Haven't seen it-will do it next year,but to me it sounds like too little meat in the soup for two movies as originally planned let alone three.Maybe I'll wait for the BD...
I'm very interested to see what everyone thinks about it. I can tell you that some of the general audience I saw it with didn't really care for it and complained about the running time. While the LOTR entries were the same length, I had no problem with it as there was a story to be told.
Plus, I don't know much about the book but I thought that The Hobbit is sort of in a different tone than LOTR.
I'm very interested to see what everyone thinks about it. I can tell you that some of the general audience I saw it with didn't really care for it and complained about the running time. While the LOTR entries were the same length, I had no problem with it as there was a story to be told.
Plus, I don't know much about the book but I thought that The Hobbit is sort of in a different tone than LOTR.
It's in a different tone,but so was the books from the movies-LotR that is.Think PJ's hat maybe getting abit small for him
Really liked it, it started off a bit slow with some goofy bits but after the first 45 mins it really came in to its own. Martin Freeman was great and while the 48ps initilly took me off guard, I got used to it pretty fast. Not as good as LOTR trilogy, but I don't think that can be expected, a welcome return to the world, Phantom Menace this is not and I look forward to the next one.
Really liked it, it started off a bit slow with some goofy bits but after the first 45 mins it really came in to its own. Martin Freeman was great and while the 48ps initilly took me off guard, I got used to it pretty fast. Not as good as LOTR trilogy, but I don't think that can be expected, a welcome return to the world, Phantom Menace this is not and I look forward to the next one.
I have seen An Unexpected Journey today, and to make it short, the way Howard Shore's beautiful music was presented and used and edited was absolutely abysmal.
I don't know if Mr. Jackson or any of the editors realise it, but the music means a great deal to many of the viewers, and not just to Lord of the Rings or Tolkien fans, but average film fans as well.
This movie lacks trust in the composer's work, and severely so. Otherwise it would be inexplicable why so many cues were edited the way they were.
The inclusions of direct quotes and tracking from all over the Lord of the Rings trilogy, when similarily great music was written by Howard Shore, took me out of the film several times. That usage of themes throws thematic continuity right out the window, something that was always one of Howard Shore's strongest abilities in this Tolkien film series.
Some of the strongest moments on album - not there at all. "The Adventure Begins", first half gone. "The World Is Ahead", mostly gone. "A Good Omen", almost entirely gone. "Riddles In The Dark", mostly gone. The choir in "Radagst The Brown", gone. The dramatic bits of "The Hill of Sorcery", gone. The first minutes of "The White Council", gone. Some of "Brass Button", gone. The middle part of "Over Hill", gone.
And in their place isn't even new music most of the time. How the Riddles in the Dark sequence began, with direct lifting of the Ring theme from Fellowship (yes, those Ring variations on album are all gone!), and Gollum's menace and pity themes tracked in, like, six times in a row, that drove me mad right in my seat. Really, they must have used every cimbalon statement of his theme there is in Lord of the Rings.
Not even the haunting chorus from the end of "Brass Buttons" is there. Then, in all honesty, The Breaking Of The Fellowship is used in the scene when Gandalf talks about Bilbo giving him courage. That didn't match the pacing at all.
Then, my god, the worst musical moment as far as continuity is concerned is when Thorin attacks Azog with the Nazgul music behind him. That was so unbelievably awkward for someone knowing the music a bit.
Then there was the direct reusing of "Master Peregrin's Plan" from Two Towers, followed by an absolutely out of place statement of Gondor Reborn. Jesus. I think it is even a re-recording because the french horn counterpoint is not there.
What is this new devilry?
Out of all the things I was worried about going into this film, frame rate, pacing, the music was the least of my worries.
Bilbo's theme is cut almost entirely from the film!
The Nature variations at the end are really breathtaking, but at that point, the music took me out of the film a dozen times already.
The coup de grace at the end is that the music is removed completely from the final shots of zooming in on the Lonely Mountain and Smaug opening his eye.
I have no idea what was going on behind the scenes, if the amount of rearranging affected the score so much that there wasn't enough time to properly rescore it, but that seems unlikely because you could have simply left the pieces as they are and not lose anything.
Whether Mr. Jackson realises it or not, music is a major part of these films, and for the way it is treated in An Unexpected Journey by editors and the director, the term "careless" is the mildest one.
I expect a better treatment in The Desolation Of Smaug, and many others as well.
What's up with all the tracked music in the Hobbit?
I saw the Hobbit today, and the score as heard in the film is a complete mess. There's tracked music from all three LOTR films all throughout the film in moments that are wildly inappropriate to the thematic continuity Shore created. Huge chunks of the Hobbit score as heard on album are missing.
With so much care given to the music in LOTR, what the heck happened here?!
I'd wager (hope) at least some of problems with the music editing has to do with the restructuring of the films from 2 -> 3. That doesn't make it any less of a travesty, but what can you do? Hopefully this won't happen on the next two films.
That tv spot is .
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I'd wager (hope) at least some of problems with the music editing has to do with the restructuring of the films from 2 -> 3. Hopefully this won't happen on the next two films.
That tv spot is .
Yea, plus hopefully they will be able to amend it in the 'Extended Editions'.
I'd wager (hope) at least some of problems with the music editing has to do with the restructuring of the films from 2 -> 3. Hopefully this won't happen on the next two films.
That tv spot is .
My guess is that - like Return of the King - Jackson was futzing and second-guessing himself all the way through post until the last humanly-possible moment.
Can't believe they're using the Nazgul theme for some Orc who doesn't even appear in the novel...
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My guess is that - like Return of the King - Jackson was futzing and second-guessing himself all the way through post until the humanly-possible moment.
Can't believe they're using the Nazgul theme for some Orc who doesn't even appear in the novel...
This reminds me of what Lucas did to Williams score in AoTC.
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