The Hobbit Trilogy Discussion Thread - Page 286 - Blu-ray Forum

AmrlKJaneway · 06-11-2013, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Duffy12

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Man! Disney is sure going to have some incredible rides in their theme parks from these films.

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Would Disney have the rights?

You guys still have Six Flags, right?

Duffy12 · 06-11-2013, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AmrlKJaneway

Would Disney have the rights?

I have a very good crystal ball. And the future is not always set.

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AmrlKJaneway · 06-11-2013, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Duffy12

I have a very good crystal ball. And the future is not always set.

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Say no more. I trust you!

Lnds500 · 06-11-2013, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Blu-Benny

you're worried about the physics of a fantasy movie??

Obviously. For 100 different reasons. Fantasy is grounded on the principle that what you are seeing is real. If the illusion is lost, the movie suffers. How can movement of human characters be realistic if the physics are awful? I expect CGI to be 100% realistic otherwise there is no point, in any movie. Bad physics are a bad wake up call which says "you are in a movie and this doesn't work that way". Total immersion killer. How can anyone watch humans move like cats and not get fussed about it?

The first movie also had some bad physics (the bridge sequence near the end - over the top and unrealistic), the LotR trilogy had some (but very few) bad scenes as well (Legolas walking on the Oliphant).

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Originally Posted by thelwig14

Yep, the lack of weight just kills it.

Alien, Aliens, Predator, LOTR trilogy, etc...These movies really don't age because they went as practical as possible.

There is no excuse whatsoever not to put a 7 foot athlete in an awesome costume and have him play Azog. It would make the movie a 1000x better. Go back and watch the Lurtz scenes and look how incredible they still are to this day.

Such a massive miss by Jackson and co.

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Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

Count me in as one who thinks it's a bit ridiculous they're using only CGI and not as much practical as they did with 'Lord of the Rings'. That was one of my biggest problems with the last film, because it kept completely pulling me out of the film.

That said, I did like the trailer for the new film, and I think it looks much better than the first. I'll definitely be there opening night, like I was for the last four films, and I look forward to returning to Middle Earth once again.

I love CGI but yeah, I totally agree with these posts.

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Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Columbus has lamented the VFX in Sorcerer's Stone -- they didn't budget the time needed for better visual f/x and he regrets it.

That's the exact film I am thinking when talking about bad physics. The Neville/broomstick sequence is awful.

ObiTrentKenobi · 06-11-2013, 11:39 PM

Trailer looks awesome! But I agree with the majority here, too much CGI - it's very noticable. CGI in a film like this shouldn't be so noticeable. You would really think that a guy in a costume is much cheaper than all that CGI design, programming and rendering! gawsh, and the results would have been better almost guaranteed, as long as the character isn't meant to be flying like a wasp all the time.

But, I am looking forward to the movie as I am a huge LOTR fan and have all the core books.

ObiTrentKenobi · 06-11-2013, 11:47 PM

@Lnds500; I agree.

The physics of CGI need to be realistic these days, unless you're talking about a children's ants-in-the-pants throwaway time killer movie like freaking doodlebops or something.

When you're talking about a film with a good story, characters you actually like and are invested in the outcome of the events and you want to be immersed and be able to believe that the world you are watching is possible, than the quality of CGI matters - the characters can't be uncharacteristically cartoony or jump off the walls all the time and act stupid (Jar Jar Binks anyone???). In 2013 we shouldn't have CGI characters that look that cartoony!

The Great Owl · 06-11-2013, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Duffy12

And Bilbo and the Dwarves do not make a

[Show spoiler]

I noticed this as well.

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Spearmint701 · 06-12-2013, 03:08 AM

trailer looks great. Looking forward to this! Will be 1st in line for release day like I was for Unexpected Journey.

Anybody know when they are going to start selling that poster? I want it!!

Blu-Benny · 06-12-2013, 03:28 AM

was finally able to check out the trailer after i got home.

i have all the faith in the world that Jackson is going to turn out the best film possible by December.

Duffy12 · 06-12-2013, 03:50 AM

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Man! After watching that a few times, I REALLY am desiring to see the Silmarillion made into an HBO series.

Could you just imagine the epicness that would be?

Josh · 06-12-2013, 11:54 AM

The trailer was ok, but I'm having difficulty getting into the films. The first film was so slow - and yes I get it, it was establishing the story - that I'm going to need more to get me excited. The LOTR films hold a special place in my heart, and they always will, but The Hobbit will need to really pick it up in the second film to keep me interested.

But who are we kidding, of course I am going to see all three films.

Groge511 · 06-12-2013, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AmrlKJaneway

You never did before?

Exactly how did you spend your childhood? Watching Star Wars, I guess. That's not bad. Read Lord of the Rings whilst you're at it, and get some mates around for D&D.

Exactly. I've never been a reader by any means and yes Star Wars is my thing. I've just recently decided I've wanted to give The Hobbit & The Lord of the Rings books a shot (since I've always been such a fan of the films), so I'm looking forward to them

Blu-Benny · 06-12-2013, 01:58 PM

did i miss it possibly?? there no reference of

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in the trailer was there??

Buddy Ackerman · 06-12-2013, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Blu-Benny

did i miss it possibly?? there no reference of

[Show spoiler]

in the trailer was there??

There's the shot of what looks like a bear (I can't think what else it would be) trying to break through a door with the Company on the other side, followed by a shot in the same scene of Bilbo drawing his sword. it's assumed (and probable) that i's Beorn - although he looks huge.

EDIT - here ya go.

Ironhorse75 · 06-12-2013, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JLaw1719

I'm not saying Peter Jackson and his team are lazy, far from it, because this is still a good movie and we all know about the masterpiece performance they gave with LotR, but it is easy to see why they would cut some corners.

You could also consider the fact that he took over for GDT. I'm sure some compromises had to be made. At what stage of planning did he take over?

But also it's only natural for someone to become a little content (not necessarily lazy) after they poured their hearts into a piece of work. Everything was to get to that point, then you arrive and it's like now what?

AmrlKJaneway · 06-12-2013, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Groge511

Exactly. I've never been a reader by any means and yes Star Wars is my thing. I've just recently decided I've wanted to give The Hobbit & The Lord of the Rings books a shot (since I've always been such a fan of the films), so I'm looking forward to them

Hours of fun ahead of you!

Too bad you know the end...

No, WAIT! You don't! That should keep ya reading...

Duffy12 · 06-12-2013, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AmrlKJaneway

Hours of fun ahead of you!

Too bad you know the end...

No, WAIT! You don't! That should keep ya reading...

Yes. For one thing, for some inexplicable reason, Jackson decided to leave out Gollum's final utterance.

I am STILL trying to figure that one out.

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AmrlKJaneway · 06-12-2013, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Duffy12

Yes. For one thing, for some inexplicable reason, Jackson decided to leave out Gollum's final utterance.

I am STILL trying to figure that one out.

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AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

You just have to say it yourself, and pretend it came from one of your speakers.

It was even in the South Park episode. Maybe those boys should have made the movie...

(But I was referring to the 150 odd pages that follow... wow! But the movie would have been too long...)

leey · 06-12-2013, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Groge511

Exactly. I've never been a reader by any means and yes Star Wars is my thing. I've just recently decided I've wanted to give The Hobbit & The Lord of the Rings books a shot (since I've always been such a fan of the films), so I'm looking forward to them

Not a good choice to start, if you're not a reader. LOTR is harsh to read for "young" readers...

Blu-Benny · 06-12-2013, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by leey

Not a good choice to start, if you're not a reader. LOTR is harsh to read for "young" readers...

i'd have to 2nd this. my 1st reading of the books was brutal.

06-12-2013, 01:58 PM	#5713
Blu-Benny Michael Bay's #1 Fan Top contributor Member since:Aug 2008 Location:Wisconsin Home Theater Gallery:39 Blu-ray collection:552 DVD collection:108 Trading Score:138	did i miss it possibly?? there no reference of [Show spoiler]Beorn in the trailer was there??

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06-11-2013, 11:39 PM	#5705
ObiTrentKenobi Special Member Top contributor Member since:Sep 2008 Location:United States of Love 4K collection:14 Blu-ray collection:205 DVD collection:155 Digital collection:155 Blu-ray reviews: 1	Trailer looks awesome! But I agree with the majority here, too much CGI - it's very noticable. CGI in a film like this shouldn't be so noticeable. You would really think that a guy in a costume is much cheaper than all that CGI design, programming and rendering! gawsh, and the results would have been better almost guaranteed, as long as the character isn't meant to be flying like a wasp all the time. But, I am looking forward to the movie as I am a huge LOTR fan and have all the core books.

06-11-2013, 11:47 PM	#5706
ObiTrentKenobi Special Member Top contributor Member since:Sep 2008 Location:United States of Love 4K collection:14 Blu-ray collection:205 DVD collection:155 Digital collection:155 Blu-ray reviews: 1	@Lnds500; I agree. The physics of CGI need to be realistic these days, unless you're talking about a children's ants-in-the-pants throwaway time killer movie like freaking doodlebops or something. When you're talking about a film with a good story, characters you actually like and are invested in the outcome of the events and you want to be immersed and be able to believe that the world you are watching is possible, than the quality of CGI matters - the characters can't be uncharacteristically cartoony or jump off the walls all the time and act stupid (Jar Jar Binks anyone???). In 2013 we shouldn't have CGI characters that look that cartoony!

06-12-2013, 03:08 AM	#5708
Spearmint701 Power Member Member since:Jan 2009 4K collection:56 Blu-ray collection:224 Trading Score:250	trailer looks great. Looking forward to this! Will be 1st in line for release day like I was for Unexpected Journey. Anybody know when they are going to start selling that poster? I want it!!

06-12-2013, 03:28 AM	#5709
Blu-Benny Michael Bay's #1 Fan Top contributor Member since:Aug 2008 Location:Wisconsin Home Theater Gallery:39 Blu-ray collection:552 DVD collection:108 Trading Score:138	was finally able to check out the trailer after i got home. i have all the faith in the world that Jackson is going to turn out the best film possible by December.

06-12-2013, 03:50 AM	#5710
Duffy12 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2009 Location:Among the Tuatha’an 4K collection:20 Blu-ray collection:272	. Man! After watching that a few times, I REALLY am desiring to see the Silmarillion made into an HBO series. Could you just imagine the epicness that would be?

06-12-2013, 11:54 AM	#5711
Josh Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Sep 2006 Home Theater Gallery:50 4K collection:37 Blu-ray collection:407 Digital collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 15 Trading Score:34	The trailer was ok, but I'm having difficulty getting into the films. The first film was so slow - and yes I get it, it was establishing the story - that I'm going to need more to get me excited. The LOTR films hold a special place in my heart, and they always will, but The Hobbit will need to really pick it up in the second film to keep me interested. But who are we kidding, of course I am going to see all three films.

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