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Old 12-16-2014, 12:50 PM   #6781
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I've heard loads of people say nothing happened in the second film, it was just lots of fighting.
Why watch any of them then? Just listen to other people's opinions and use them to decide on the quality of something.

Me personally, I'd rather form my own opinions, rather than just go with what 'loads of people say'. I'm no sheep that will just blindly go along with what others say.
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Old 12-16-2014, 12:53 PM   #6782
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I saw the first Hobbit film, I found it really really boring.
Why watch anymore then. Oh yeah, so you can troll the internet moaning about how terrible these movies are, because that's a worthwhile use of one's time. How sad it must be to really have nothing better to do with your time and life.
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Old 12-16-2014, 01:05 PM   #6783
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It's funny how criticisms of this film are being waved off each time with the same statements - and are generally waved away by people who haven't seen the film yet. Smh.
Coming from the guy who hasn't seen and doesn't feel it necessary to watch the middle film in this trilogy.
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Old 12-16-2014, 01:58 PM   #6784
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Dude, you could of just used the multi quote button, save on posts.
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Old 12-16-2014, 02:08 PM   #6785
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Saw this movie last night as part of a "Hobbit marathon" the theaters were doing. As a huge fan of Tolkien and of the book, I have to say that this movie was a disaster.

I LOVED the LOTR movies, because it was evident that they were being made by a Tolkien fan. The tone and story was extremely faithful to the books, and I loved Jackson for that.

It is evident that between making the LOTR and the Hobbit, Peter Jackson became a bigger fan of Peter Jackson than he is of Tolkien. He changed key plot points, invented characters, invented pointless and needless creatures, and took a lot of things so far that this movie became extremely campy.

Martin Freeman as Bilbo and Luke Evans as Bard were the only bright spots to me. Bravo on the casting there.

But the "battle" in the "Battle of the Five Armies" is barely shown, rather you get extremely goofy fights that take place with main characters away from the battle. Orcs and trolls that look like they belong in the first Harry Potter more than they do in the Hobbit make regular appearances.

[Show spoiler]Perhaps the thing that bothered me most were the way Fili and Kili's deaths were handled. In the book they die in battle protecting their Uncle and King. These movies did a horrible job at establishing a relationship between Fili, Kili, and Thorin. Then they kill Fili in a very un-climactic way, and Kili dies protecting some made-up female elf, rather than protecting his Uncle. It was a travesty.


I wanted to enjoy this movie. I really wanted to. But it was like a kick in the gut. Christopher Tolkien is right to not want to give the rights of any more of the professor's works to PJ and company.
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Old 12-16-2014, 02:20 PM   #6786
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Thanks for sharing.

After spending untold amounts of money on Lord of the Rings, seeing Lord of the Rings in the theater, researching The Hobbit film adaption for years after ROTK's release, and watching the first two in theaters, it makes me sad to say that I won't be going to this one.
Pretty much how I feel. I was hoping the third one would tie things together in a good way. However, after being disappointed by the first two, and hearing the third is worse, I will be waiting for Netflix to see it.
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Old 12-16-2014, 02:37 PM   #6787
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I enjoyed Five Armies quite a bit. Although it should be called "Peter Jackson's Tales From Middle Earth". He has deviated so much from the story that this is not The Hobbit.
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Old 12-16-2014, 02:42 PM   #6788
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Dude, you could of just used the multi quote button, save on posts.
Very true, i'm not the most tech savvy though!
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It is evident that between making the LOTR and the Hobbit, Peter Jackson became a bigger fan of Peter Jackson than he is of Tolkien.
His next movie will be

Peter Jackson presents a Peter Jackson Production of a Peter Jackson Film: The Peter Jackson Movie
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Old 12-16-2014, 03:44 PM   #6790
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Worked during the marathon yesterday, but a few friends saw it. Prior to the show I told how much of my interest in watching it lay with how awesome Beorn is in it...

You had one thing to do Peter Jackson with your over-extended adaption of the Hobbit, give me Beorn wrecking shit. One thing

I'll probably watch it over the weekend though.
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Old 12-16-2014, 04:02 PM   #6791
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I was surprised at the BBC review:

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/201...it-film-a-flop
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Old 12-16-2014, 04:19 PM   #6792
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Can't say I am. If anything, that sort of reflects my thoughts and feelings about the film almost perfectly...
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Old 12-16-2014, 04:26 PM   #6793
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I'm still looking forward to seeing this third installment of The Hobbit (I like closure), but from the early reactions it's easy to see Peter Jackson went off the rails for this one. I'm really hoping when the extended edition makes its way to Blu-ray that there is redemption to be found there.
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Old 12-16-2014, 04:41 PM   #6794
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Saw this movie last night as part of a "Hobbit marathon" the theaters were doing. As a huge fan of Tolkien and of the book, I have to say that this movie was a disaster.

I LOVED the LOTR movies, because it was evident that they were being made by a Tolkien fan. The tone and story was extremely faithful to the books, and I loved Jackson for that.

It is evident that between making the LOTR and the Hobbit, Peter Jackson became a bigger fan of Peter Jackson than he is of Tolkien. He changed key plot points, invented characters, invented pointless and needless creatures, and took a lot of things so far that this movie became extremely campy.

Martin Freeman as Bilbo and Luke Evans as Bard were the only bright spots to me. Bravo on the casting there.

But the "battle" in the "Battle of the Five Armies" is barely shown, rather you get extremely goofy fights that take place with main characters away from the battle. Orcs and trolls that look like they belong in the first Harry Potter more than they do in the Hobbit make regular appearances.

[Show spoiler]Perhaps the thing that bothered me most were the way Fili and Kili's deaths were handled. In the book they die in battle protecting their Uncle and King. These movies did a horrible job at establishing a relationship between Fili, Kili, and Thorin. Then they kill Fili in a very un-climactic way, and Kili dies protecting some made-up female elf, rather than protecting his Uncle. It was a travesty.


I wanted to enjoy this movie. I really wanted to. But it was like a kick in the gut. Christopher Tolkien is right to not want to give the rights of any more of the professor's works to PJ and company.
Well said. I was not too upset with the added characters, and after the second film (which I loved and still do) I was really expecting the third movie to be nearly as epic as Return of the King. I guess I just hope now the directors cut adds more depth to the film.
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Old 12-16-2014, 05:35 PM   #6795
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I have to agree completely with the statements made in this review.
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Would you mind posting the text please? I'm from the UK and cannot access that site. Despite it being BBC!
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Going to see it tonight. Always thought they should have kept it two movies and with the reviews coming in it looks like I was right. Hopefully it proves me wrong
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Old 12-16-2014, 06:43 PM   #6798
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Saw this last night, I thought it was pretty enjoyable though much of it was filler and they could have easily fitted the series into two films as opposed to three.

8/10
pretty much how I feel about it too
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Would you mind posting the text please? I'm from the UK and cannot access that site. Despite it being BBC!
Does this work?

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Peter Jackson’s sixth and final Middle Earth film is also his shortest. The three instalments of The Lord of the Rings clocked in at about three hours apiece; the first two episodes of The Hobbit lasted 169 minutes and 161 respectively; but the finale, The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies, is a mere 144 minutes from start to finish – and that includes the ridiculously wordy title. Well, it’s 144 minutes until next year, anyway, when Jackson releases the inevitable extended cut on DVD and slots in another half hour.


But even though the current film is a relatively brief, blink-and-you’ll-miss-it affair, it’s still astonishing that The Battle of the Five Armies is as long as it is. JRR Tolkien’s novel, The Hobbit, is slimmer than any of the three volumes which comprise his later tome, The Lord of the Rings. And by the end of the previous Hobbit film, The Desolation Of Smaug, Jackson had ticked off the whole book except the last 65 pages. All that was left was a sequence in which Smaug the dragon sets fire to a town built on a lake; another sequence in which some dwarves, elves and humans bicker over which of them gets to keep the dragon’s gold; and a battle between these bickerers and an orc army. It’s not much material for a two-and-a-half-hour film. So how does Jackson fill the running time?

The answer is that he fills it with everything he possibly can. Mindful, perhaps, that this would be his last chance to play around with the mythology of Middle Earth, he crams the film with acrobatic action set-pieces, retina-scorching special effects and dozens and dozens of characters, whether they make an appearance in Tolkien’s novel or not. What’s more, Jackson and his co-writers, Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens, give each of these characters the opportunity to wrap up their own personal subplot and to prove how heroic they are. Never mind, then, that Legolas the elf (Orlando Bloom) doesn’t feature in Tolkien’s novel at all. In the film, he gets to hang upside down from a giant bat as it flaps through the sky, and then have a swashbuckling duel on a collapsing bridge over a canyon. And what about Dain the dwarf (Billy Connolly)? He’s barely mentioned in the book, but in the film he gets to swear lustily in a Glaswegian accent, and dispatch several orcs by headbutting them, mid-conversation. Gandalf the Grey (Ian McKellen), meanwhile, is joined by his fellow wizards for a mountaintop martial-arts bout with a band of flickering ghost-knights. And even the lake town’s weaselly deputy mayor (Ryan Gage) gets almost as much screen time as the hobbit himself, Bilbo Baggins (Martin Freeman). Say what you like about Jackson, but he definitely gives his viewers value for money.

The Battle of the Five Armies is undoubtedly a colossal technical achievement, with something marvellous to look at in every corner of the screen. The CGI is immeasurably better than it was in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, and no dragon in cinema history has ever been as awe-inspiring as the vast, snaking, spiny Smaug (voiced by Benedict Cumberbatch). And it’s not just the monsters that are spectacular. Just as much care and attention has gone into the tiniest details of the characters’ armour, weaponry and hairstyles. There aren’t many film productions which would go to the effort of engraving the toggles on either end of a dwarf’s moustache.

Battle fatigue

The fact is, though, that if you find your attention wandering to moustache jewellery in the middle of a climactic fight to the death, it’s a sign that the film you’re watching isn’t very gripping. It’s a sign that while the film is a triumph in lots of ways, it doesn’t ever make you believe in or sympathise with the people on screen. That’s certainly how I felt about The Battle of the Five Armies. If you love the sight of computer-generated warriors charging at each other, you’ll have nothing to complain about. But if you don’t, then the continual fighting does start to get numbing after an hour or so. When you’ve seen one orc getting its head lopped off, you’ve seen ‘em all.

Fundamentally, The Battle of the Five Armies is one big battle, as its title suggests. Jackson keeps flitting between different locations, where different characters are busy waving their painstakingly designed swords, but all of these skirmishes are variations on the same theme; that is, they’re all hand-to-hand clashes between the goodies and the baddies. There’s no narrative progression to lend the film momentum, no moral ambiguity to engage our brains, and no question as to the outcome of all the head-lopping. As scary as the villains may be (as ever in the Middle Earth films, beauty is equated with virtue, and ugliness with evil), they’re awfully easy to kill. In one scene, Bilbo throws three stones, one after the other, and each time he hits a towering orc between the eyes, leaving it stone dead.

However many pointy-eared Errol Flynns and architecturally magnificent settings Jackson crowbars into the film, The Battle of the Five Armies still has the same basic plot as those last 65 pages of Tolkien’s novel – which is another way of saying that it doesn’t have much plot at all. And that’s why the decision to split the book into three lengthy films seems more problematic here than ever. The Battle of the Five Armies is so lacking in story that it feels like what it is: the third act of a film, rather than a film in its own right. There’s very little character development, because Jackson and his team assume that we know all the characters already. And there’s little sense that we’ve come to the conclusion of an epic journey, because, unless you rewatched your other Hobbit DVDs recently, you won’t be able to remember what that journey involved.

So why didn’t Jackson just make one satisfying Hobbit film, as he initially planned? The reason, he says, is that he wanted all of his Middle Earth films to work together as a single, sprawling saga. Tolkien’s novel of The Hobbit was published 17 years before The Lord of the Rings, and it was a much shorter, sprightlier, more child-friendly yarn. But Jackson was keen that his Hobbit adaptation would serve as a prequel to his Rings trilogy, so he made sure that it had the same grave tone and grand scale, as well as introducing several of its key characters and conflicts. Looking at it that way, The Battle of the Five Armies is a success, because it stands as an ornate bridge between The Hobbit and the The Lord of the Rings. But as a stand-alone film, it’s not very compelling. And as an adaptation of Tolkien’s charming book, it’s a travesty.

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Why watch any of them then? Just listen to other people's opinions and use them to decide on the quality of something.

Me personally, I'd rather form my own opinions, rather than just go with what 'loads of people say'. I'm no sheep that will just blindly go along with what others say.
I don't have a lot of free time for movies because of work, so I'd rather watch something I know I'll most likely enjoy than take a risk with something and waste my evening.

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Why watch anymore then. Oh yeah, so you can troll the internet moaning about how terrible these movies are, because that's a worthwhile use of one's time. How sad it must be to really have nothing better to do with your time and life.
How typical of the internet that when you give legitimate criticisms of a film people immediately go on the defensive, turn nasty and just spit empty venom. Stuff like this used to really bother me but considering how consistently rude people are on this board I'm not really phased by this stuff any more.

My full review is here. Maybe read it before bashing
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