The Hobbit Trilogy Discussion Thread

[Chaotic]

http://moviemezzanine.com/the-hobbit...armies-review/

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[Mahatma]

Originally Posted by Pizzamorg

I don't have a lot of free time for movies because of work, so I'd rather watch something I know I'll most likely enjoy than take a risk with something and waste my evening.



How typical of the internet that when you give legitimate criticisms of a film people immediately go on the defensive, turn nasty and just spit empty venom. Stuff like this used to really bother me but considering how consistently rude people are on this board I'm not really phased by this stuff any more.

My full review is here. Maybe read it before bashing

Dangers of modern living:how to stave off attacks from fanboys

To be fair:we all knew the direction of this judging from PJ earlier movies.I would rather have had DelToro as director,but guess he couldn't stand being hamstrung by PJ's ego.

Oh well,they can't take away the brilliant source material.

[Pizzamorg]

Originally Posted by Mahatma

Dangers of modern living:how to stave off attacks from fanboys

To be fair:we all knew the direction of this judging from PJ earlier movies.I would rather have had DelToro as director,but guess he couldn't stand being hamstrung by PJ's ego.

Oh well,they can't take away the brilliant source material.

Hopefully if this makes enough money in about ten years down the line Del Toro might make a single film adaptation of The Hobbit. I'd really look forward to that.

[Kryptonic]

I love how angry fanboys who have nothing to be angry about are trying to turn Jackson into another Lucas by making false accussations that he's "lost it" or is driven only by his ego, as if watching the documentaries and listening to everyone who has worked with praising how open and inviting he is during the creative process isn't enough of a clue that he's the exact opposite of what some are claiming. Pathetic. Review the movie in front of you, not the movie you think should have happened.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

I love how angry fanboys who have nothing to be angry about are trying to turn Jackson into another Lucas by making false accussations that he's "lost it" or is driven only by his ego, as if watching the documentaries and listening to everyone who has worked with praising how open and inviting he is during the creative process isn't enough of a clue that he's the exact opposite of what some are claiming. Pathetic.

If you were promoting a film you starred, you wouldn't exactly be slagging off your boss or co-workers either.

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by Foggy

If you were promoting a film you starred, you wouldn't exactly be slagging off your boss or co-workers either.

You realize that every major Lord of the Rings cast member that could star in The Hobbit were happy to come back, right? The documentaries are very fly on the wall and are very honest about the trials and tribulations involved with filming these films. I don't think a director intent on stroking his ego would put half the stuff in those documentaries that's there.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

You realize that every major Lord of the Rings cast member that could star in The Hobbit were happy to come back, right? The documentaries are very fly on the wall and are very honest about the trials and tribulations involved with filming these films. I don't think a director intent on stroking his ego would put half the stuff in those documentaries that's there.

Probably not, but going by The Battle of The Five Armies, I think the film itself feels a step below the rest, both Lord of the Rings and Hobbit films.

[GenPion]

Originally Posted by Pizzamorg

Hopefully if this makes enough money in about ten years down the line Del Toro might make a single film adaptation of The Hobbit. I'd really look forward to that.

Sure, that'll happen. He won't be pleased enough with the trilogy he helped co-write.

[KOQ24]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

I love how angry fanboys who have nothing to be angry about are trying to turn Jackson into another Lucas by making false accussations that he's "lost it" or is driven only by his ego, as if watching the documentaries and listening to everyone who has worked with praising how open and inviting he is during the creative process isn't enough of a clue that he's the exact opposite of what some are claiming. Pathetic. Review the movie in front of you, not the movie you think should have happened.

i did, it was turrible.
dare i say, 2000s lucas-esque

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

You realize that every major Lord of the Rings cast member that could star in The Hobbit were happy to come back, right? The documentaries are very fly on the wall and are very honest about the trials and tribulations involved with filming these films. I don't think a director intent on stroking his ego would put half the stuff in those documentaries that's there.

I thought Viggo declined.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by Pizzamorg

Hopefully if this makes enough money in about ten years down the line Del Toro might make a single film adaptation of The Hobbit. I'd really look forward to that.

I look forward to that as well. A single 3-hour film, that's how it should be made. The adaptation of this book is really strange, usually screenwriters struggle to pick which scenes to discard in order to make it flow better as a film because as a book the story is so dense. But for The Hobbit they keep inventing new scenes just to make it longer so they can split it into 3 long films.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

I love how angry fanboys who have nothing to be angry about are trying to turn Jackson into another Lucas by making false accussations that he's "lost it" or is driven only by his ego, as if watching the documentaries and listening to everyone who has worked with praising how open and inviting he is during the creative process isn't enough of a clue that he's the exact opposite of what some are claiming. Pathetic. Review the movie in front of you, not the movie you think should have happened.

He is not another Lucas, because Lucas never lost it.
Peter Jackson simply indulges, and seemingly doesn't care that story also matters, not just fantastical creatures fighting....
The first Hobbit was still kind os watchable, but Desolation was an atrocity.
The barrel scene alone should win "most ridiculous and over the top action sequence of all times".
Total nonsense IMHO.
King Kong was the true Peter Jackson, and there it was cool, but here it is out of place, again IMO.

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

He is not another Lucas, because Lucas never lost it.

Agreed.

Peter Jackson simply indulges, and seemingly doesn't care that story also matters, not just fantastical creatures fighting....
The first Hobbit was still kind os watchable, but Desolation was an atrocity.
The barrel scene alone should win "most ridiculous and over the top action sequence of all times".
Total nonsense IMHO.
King Kong was the true Peter Jackson, and there it was cool, but here it is out of place, again IMO.

The barrel scene was terrific fun and one of the most enjoyable action sequences in years. I loved it. There are plenty of things in Star Wars that are just as equally ridiculous.

I think a lot of the minority of fans dislike of these films is similar to the Prequels. They've built the original films up and put them on a pedestal that nothing can compare, despite the new films being done in the same fashion and style as those films at the same level of technical competency if not moreso. Time will be kind to these films.

[Astro Zombie]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

He is not another Lucas, because Lucas never lost it.
Peter Jackson simply indulges, and seemingly doesn't care that story also matters, not just fantastical creatures fighting....
The first Hobbit was still kind os watchable, but Desolation was an atrocity.
The barrel scene alone should win "most ridiculous and over the top action sequence of all times".
Total nonsense IMHO.
King Kong was the true Peter Jackson, and there it was cool, but here it is out of place, again IMO.

The barrel sequence was f**king awesome.

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I thought Viggo declined.

I find that a bit dubious since Aragorn is nowhere to be seen in any materials regarding The Hobbit, but who knows. I don't think Viggo is in the same headspace as a lot of the other actors anyway. He prefers smaller films, especially after Rings.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

I find that a bit dubious since Aragorn is nowhere to be seen in any materials regarding The Hobbit, but who knows. I don't think Viggo is in the same headspace as a lot of the other actors anyway. He prefers smaller films, especially after Rings.

"When "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" hit theaters in December, fans were treated to the sight of some familiar faces from "Lord of the Rings," including Ian McKellen and Elijah Wood. One "LOTR" favorite, however, was noticeably absent from the latest film: Viggo Mortensen.

The 54-year-old actor played Aragorn in the original trilogy, and had a chance to reprise his role in the Peter Jackson's prequel trilogy, but chose not to participate -- mostly because his character doesn't appear in the J.R.R. Tolkien source novel.

"Before they started shooting, back in 2008, one of the producers did ask if I would be interested," Mortensen told The Guardian. "I said, 'You do know, don't you, that Aragorn isn't in The Hobbit? That there is a 60-year gap between the books?"
-- HuffPo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3353689.html

MORTENSEN CRITICIZES THE HOBBIT

Mortensen thinks – rightly – that The Fellowship of the Ring turned out the best of the three, perhaps largely because it was shot in one go. “It was very confusing, we were going at such a pace, and they had so many units shooting, it was really insane. But it’s true that the first script was better organised,” he says. “Also, Peter was always a geek in terms of technology but, once he had the means to do it, and the evolution of the technology really took off, he never looked back. In the first movie, yes, there’s Rivendell, and Mordor, but there’s sort of an organic quality to it, actors acting with each other, and real landscapes; it’s grittier. The second movie already started ballooning, for my taste, and then by the third one, there were a lot of special effects. It was grandiose, and all that, but whatever was subtle, in the first movie, gradually got lost in the second and third. Now with The Hobbit, one and two, it’s like that to the power of 10.

“I guess Peter became like Ridley Scott – this one-man industry now, with all these people depending on him,” Mortensen adds. “But you can make a choice, I think. I asked Ridley when I worked with him (on 1997’s GI Jane), 'Why don’t you do another film like The Duellists [Scott’s 1977 debut, from a Joseph Conrad short story]?’ And Peter, I was sure he would do another intimately scaled film like Heavenly Creatures, maybe with this project about New Zealanders in the First World War he wanted to make. But then he did King Kong. And then he did The Lovely Bones – and I thought that would be his smaller movie. But the problem is, he did it on a $90 million budget. That should have been a $15 million movie. The special effects thing, the genie, was out of the bottle, and it has him. And he’s happy, I think…”

-- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/f...y-for-CGI.html

[GenPion]

I read another news story that said Viggo wanted to be in the film but Peter Jackson declined. So who knows what happened there. Viggo also had some pretty negative things to say about Jackson's filmmaking and the Lord of the Rings trilogy so that could have something to do with it. Ironic, I suppose.

[GenPion]

Originally Posted by aiman04

I look forward to that as well.

Again, some seem to miss the fact that Del Toro helped to write the screenplays for these films. He won't be remaking it as a lone movie.

If anyone ever does that rest assured it will be someone who was not involved directly in making these films.

[BaerGriggs]

Originally Posted by GenPion

I read another news story that said Viggo wanted to be in the film but Peter Jackson declined. So who knows what happened there. Viggo also had some pretty negative things to say about Jackson's filmmaking and the Lord of the Rings trilogy so that could have something to do with it. Ironic, I suppose.

That news story must have just been blatantly wrong then, because that article that Ernest Rister should quoted was widely circulated and even last year Viggo was open criticizing Jackson for each the last two films in the Lord of the Rings Trilogy.

[GenPion]

Here you go:

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2013...n-not-so-fast/

So basically he hates the movies and Peter Jackson probably didn't want to work with him because of that. So he was never invited back.