The Hobbit Trilogy Discussion Thread - Page 48 - Blu-ray Forum

Duffy12 · 07-30-2010, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by classicfilmcollector

I can't obviously give a specific amount that's gone into pre-pro, but considering Hobbiton is nearly done and rights are trying to be bought and so on, I'd imagine quite a bit already. A rough guess - maybe $20 million.

But that's not even the bad thing. The bad thing is that if The Hobbit duo falls through, it goes to the grave with Halo as well. Peter Jackson will start getting a reputation of not being able to get films off the ground, and with 4 years so far into pre-pro, what a waste. I mean, if they said it was cancelled, could you imagine? What. A. Waste. I can't begin to describe. 4 years, 20 million, thousands of bits of conceptual and animatic design. HUGELY disappointing for everybody involved. 4 years down the drain. Blood, sweat and tears, for nothing.

It's also embarrassing for PJ, who ultimately should've cleared all of this up before announcing it way back in early 2007. It's now 2010 and the rights STILL haven't arrived. The studio is bankrupt, and, let's face it, chances are getting slimmer of the film being made.

If its canned, I will understand, but this is going down as one of the most horribly planned films in motion picture history. IN the space that THe Hobbit has taken to gain a director, most films have their SEQUEL out by now. So it's certainly not good!

And not to mention that one of the reasons that this project was delayed was because Peter Jackson was in litigation with the studio regarding royalties from the first trilogy. If that crap wouldn't have happened, we would probably be watching one of the movies right now.

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Batman1980 · 07-30-2010, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Duffy12

And not to mention that one of the reasons that this project was delayed was because Peter Jackson was in litigation with the studio regarding royalties from the first trilogy. If that crap wouldn't have happened, we would probably be watching one of the movies right now.

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I thought the first film wasn't due till 2012, even before all this..stuff started?

Josh · 07-30-2010, 01:00 PM

Hollywood in general is a mess of an industry. Look at the history of The Lord of the Rings, and you can see where everyone was wrong about everything. Okay, well maybe not everything, but the film was bounced around so much in the development phase that a lot of people ended up with black-eyes in the industry. MGM doesn't want a black-eye because they let The Hobbit go, but at the same time, they aren't in any position to develop or even fund a film.

The only reason LOTR ended up the way it did, was because New Line allowed PJ to do what he needed to do in order to get the film made. MGM can't do that with its current controllers and I have serious doubts Warner will allow that much money to be spend without some controls set in place. Its a receipe for disaster and is becoming increasing impossible to overcome as days go by and we get closer to the original release date.

Monolithium · 07-30-2010, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by classicfilmcollector

The bad thing is that if The Hobbit duo falls through, it goes to the grave with Halo as well. Peter Jackson will start getting a reputation of not being able to get films off the ground, and with 4 years so far into pre-pro, what a waste.

The blame would go to MGM. Not Jackson. Halo fell apart because Fox/Universal didn't want to foot the bill for a $300 million project that at the end of the day was based on a videogame franchise. Which is not the best place to find source material for a quality film.

It might knock the wind out of him if these films don't get made. But I think that Kiwi Wingnut will do just fine.

Kizzo · 07-30-2010, 04:11 PM

Time Warner needs to stop being cheap and buy the whole damn company. The company has 7-9 billion in cash on hand due to spinning off Time Warner Cable, and isn't doing anything with it.

Buy MGM and assume the debt, fire the management team, sell the studio lot, and merge the studio with Warner Bros. Entertainment. We will finally have all of MGM under one roof.

Time Warner will now have the rights to RoboCop, James Bond and The Hobbit. After the Harry Potter films they are going to need some new franchises, and buying MGM covers that. Time Warner will now own the largest movie studio in the world, and offers the greatest content.

Duffy12 · 07-30-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

I thought the first film wasn't due till 2012, even before all this..stuff started?

I assumed that was what caused the 2012 due date, though I could be wrong.

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Diesel · 07-30-2010, 05:17 PM

It was originally supposed to be 2011 for part 1.

radagast · 07-30-2010, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel

It was originally supposed to be 2011 for part 1.

We'll be lucky if they get started filming it by 2011.

mjbethancourt · 07-31-2010, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Duffy12

And not to mention that one of the reasons that this project was delayed was because Peter Jackson was in litigation with the studio regarding royalties from the first trilogy. If that crap wouldn't have happened, we would probably be watching one of the movies right now.

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Different studio... and that studio is under different management now, otherwise there probably would not have been a settlement.

He almost didn't get 'King Kong' out, either. It got canned in 1997, and he got it going again after his star rose on the success of LotR. I think the worry about Jackson's reputation is justified. It's too late to just go back to being an idie "cult-film" director (you can ask George Lucas allll about that), but now he has to get past being pegged as that guy who's only great successes were "safe" re-makes. Furthermore, I think his current investment in making Tintin movies is an expensive miscalculation: the U.S. is the biggest film market by far, and how many Americans know or care anything about Tintin? The market isn't there to recoup the time and money he's pouring into that.

Duffy12 · 07-31-2010, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Different studio... and that studio is under different management now, otherwise there probably would not have been a settlement.

Egads!

This studio ownership is all so confusing.

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Josh · 08-04-2010, 05:34 PM

If I remember correctly, didn't this film have to be green-lit by a certain date, otherwise MGM loses rights to the material (and it reverts back to the family)?

mjbethancourt · 08-04-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh

If I remember correctly, didn't this film have to be green-lit by a certain date, otherwise MGM loses rights to the material (and it reverts back to the family)?

I think the limited license reverts back to Saul Zaentz. (That might only apply to LotR, I'll have to check up on that).

TheWildWhelk · 08-05-2010, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

I think the limited license reverts back to Saul Zaentz. (That might only apply to LotR, I'll have to check up on that).

Yes indeed. Tolkien sold the rights to Zaentz for a period of 40 years, in 1969. Roll forward to 2009 and time was running out. Know what this means?

If The Hobbit get's cancelled, there is zero chance it will ever be made as a film until Christopher Tolkien passes away. C Tolkien hated the idea of motion pictures based on his father's work.

P@t_Mtl · 08-05-2010, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfTorah

Yes indeed. Tolkien sold the rights to Zaentz for a period of 40 years, in 1969. Roll forward to 2009 and time was running out. Know what this means?

If The Hobbit get's cancelled, there is zero chance it will ever be made as a film until Christopher Tolkien passes away. C Tolkien hated the idea of motion pictures based on his father's work.

Since he is 85 years old it may not be such a long wait

TheWildWhelk · 08-05-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Since he is 85 years old it may not be such a long wait

I personally wish Christopher Tolkien as long and healthy life as he may have, and wish no ill on him simply because he won't sell the film rights to his father's literary works. Anyone who hopes that the guy will 'pop his cloggs' as you guys say needs to first and foremost get a life and then get some help! Some fanboys can be supremely unpleasant in their obsession with film. It reminds me of some cretinous dweeb that wanted Blade Runner financier Jerry Perenchio to 'drop dead of old age so they can release a better version of Blade Runner.'

Absolutely disgusting.

P@t_Mtl · 08-05-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SonOfTorah

I personally wish Christopher Tolkien as long and healthy life as he may have, and wish no ill on him simply because he won't sell the film rights to his father's literary works. Anyone who hopes that the guy will 'pop his cloggs' as you guys say needs to first and foremost get a life and then get some help! Some fanboys can be supremely unpleasant in their obsession with film. It reminds me of some cretinous dweeb that wanted Blade Runner financier Jerry Perenchio to 'drop dead of old age so they can release a better version of Blade Runner.'

Absolutely disgusting.

Want to relax there SonOfTorah...at any point in my post did I wish him to die? Don't try to sound so self righteous there and make it look like I want him to die

As far as I am concern I would be ok with no Hobbit movie so get off your high horse and relax a little bit you will feel less stree in your life.

TheWildWhelk · 08-05-2010, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Want to relax there SonOfTorah...at any point in my post did I wish him to die? Don't try to sound so self righteous there and make it look like I want him to die

As far as I am concern I would be ok with no Hobbit movie so get off your high horse and relax a little bit you will feel less stree in your life.

P@t_Mtl, i wasn't pointing the finger at you in any way, i was making a point about the fact that there are fanboys out there that are unpleasantly obsessive. A film is a film, wishing someone ill so that it get's made (or doesn't) is a definite mark of immaturity. That's all i'm saying.

radagast · 08-05-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Want to relax there SonOfTorah...at any point in my post did I wish him to die? Don't try to sound so self righteous there and make it look like I want him to die

As far as I am concern I would be ok with no Hobbit movie so get off your high horse and relax a little bit you will feel less stree in your life.

I know we could all use a little less stree in our lives.

GreenScar · 08-05-2010, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by radagast

I know we could all use a little less stree in our lives.

English is not Pat's first language.

MyBlu-rayBrotherEd · 08-05-2010, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenScar

English is not Pat's first language.

And even if it were, I think that is a forgivable typo.

07-30-2010, 04:11 PM	#945
Kizzo Senior Member Member since:Jan 2010	Time Warner needs to stop being cheap and buy the whole damn company. The company has 7-9 billion in cash on hand due to spinning off Time Warner Cable, and isn't doing anything with it. Buy MGM and assume the debt, fire the management team, sell the studio lot, and merge the studio with Warner Bros. Entertainment. We will finally have all of MGM under one roof. Time Warner will now have the rights to RoboCop, James Bond and The Hobbit. After the Harry Potter films they are going to need some new franchises, and buying MGM covers that. Time Warner will now own the largest movie studio in the world, and offers the greatest content. Last edited by Kizzo; 07-30-2010 at 04:16 PM.

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Josh Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Sep 2006 Home Theater Gallery:50 4K collection:37 Blu-ray collection:407 Digital collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 15 Trading Score:34	Hollywood in general is a mess of an industry. Look at the history of The Lord of the Rings, and you can see where everyone was wrong about everything. Okay, well maybe not everything, but the film was bounced around so much in the development phase that a lot of people ended up with black-eyes in the industry. MGM doesn't want a black-eye because they let The Hobbit go, but at the same time, they aren't in any position to develop or even fund a film. The only reason LOTR ended up the way it did, was because New Line allowed PJ to do what he needed to do in order to get the film made. MGM can't do that with its current controllers and I have serious doubts Warner will allow that much money to be spend without some controls set in place. Its a receipe for disaster and is becoming increasing impossible to overcome as days go by and we get closer to the original release date.

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Josh Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Sep 2006 Home Theater Gallery:50 4K collection:37 Blu-ray collection:407 Digital collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 15 Trading Score:34	If I remember correctly, didn't this film have to be green-lit by a certain date, otherwise MGM loses rights to the material (and it reverts back to the family)?

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