HDR Discussion Thread

[DanBa]

High Dynamic Range and Consumer Confusion
https://www.cedmagazine.com/data-foc...umer-confusion

" … The technology permits viewers to see pictures that are closer to what a content creator intended, and thus it can be argued that it allows purer access to what some call “artistic intent.” But all the high-minded ideals around creativity won’t do a lick of good if confusion in marketing and consumer messaging around HDR bewilders consumers.

Those are some of the suggestions included in a newly released report from Strategy Analytics, “High Dynamic Range TV: Content and Technology Implications." The research also reviews some of the HDR technologies vying for supremacy including Dolby Vision, HDR10, and HLG (Hybrid Log Gamma), which was originally developed by the BBC. The Strategy Analytics report concludes that HDR10 has already become the leading standard, and HLG will also become widely adopted during 2017, while Dolby Vision will remain as a premium HDR option.

"HDR allows content creators to get closer than ever before to delivering artistic intent," David Mercer, principal analyst and the report's author, says. "But they still have to decide which technologies to use and understand the different ways HDR is implemented in consumer TVs."

Since TV manufacturers are describing HDR in a wide variety of ways, and because there are many differences in the capabilities of HDR-enabled TVs, the chance that consumer confusion is high remains an issue.

"HDR ultimately raises the question of what artistic intent means and whether there is a single technology that can deliver it," Mercer notes. …"

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Eh, I was hoping for a quick one-line answer

To be clear, that communication from ss about Sony Z9D mode(s) did not come from a posting on AVS.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DanBa

HLG (Hybrid Log Gamma)

For which Japan is leading the way in regards to implementation, recent news - http://www.pronews.jp/news/20161114171056.html

with the help of the previously linked Toshiba firmware….. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...a#post12596356

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DanBa

...."HDR ultimately raises the question of what artistic intent means and whether there is a single technology that can deliver it," Mercer notes. …"

Sounds complicated.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You probably don't keep up with all the respective threads....

Occasionally I will at least take a quick peak (like right now) because some posts bring me laughs…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post12122575

Given the Word from a Walt Disney spokesperson a month later at conference....

Originally Posted by puddy77

Here is the Q&A in the 2nd video starting at the 14:29 mark:

https://youtu.be/mb6yJbOCQaw?t=14m29s

[ray0414]

So, as far as I know, Disney will have home HDR passes of: doctor strange, star wars force awakens, and inside out. He said not a matter of if but a matter of when. That should a shot of nitro to UHD sales.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Occasionally I will at least take a quick peak (like right now) because some posts bring me laughs…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post12122575

Given the Word from a Walt Disney spokesperson a month later at conference....

You still didn't answer my question in that post though

[Joce]

I hope that HDMI 2.1 will be presented at CES 2017.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You still didn't answer my question in that post though

It was a multi-sentenced post…..sometimes I have to take those on a reading installment plan because of time constraints when I log in. Plus, after finishing reading that post I’m hesitant to elaborate on titles I’ve never viewed…be it in the theater or at home. However if you insist….

as to your theory, I see the issue as not so much as being related to the magnitude of the inherent dynamic range of the source, whatever it may be -

4K HDR Imagers, Dr. Peter Centen, HPA 2015 (technical presentation) - YouTube

It’s more that reference (diffuse as opposed to specular) white is not defined in MaxFALL and MaxCLL for the UHD Blu-ray format. Ergo, the images are open to more interpretation by consumer TVs (not rocking the dynamic metadata of Dolby Vision) when displaying the content. Kind of an intellectual bummer/oversight when you consider the fact that diffuse white for SDR was standardized by SMPTE back in the day.

[Geoff D]

Gotcha. Maybe I'm putting 2 + 2 together and getting 5, but it sure seems to me like catalogue movies are being mastered with very different levels of something compared to a modern HDR production (for whatever reasons) which is what's causing such huge discrepancies at my end, considering that my TV/player settings are not being changed between HDR movies.

The SDR end-user is but a footnote when it comes to UHD, I get that, I'd just like to understand this particular situation a bit betterer.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

...it sure seems to me like catalogue movies are being mastered with very different levels of something compared to a modern HDR production

Oh I agree with you, but rather than a technical etiology I believe what you’re seeing has more of a basis in marketing.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by GunZenBomZ

Oh look 8k stuff..

and 4K and HDR color grading with the new Mistika 8.7 - http://www.sgo.es/2016/11/sgo-to-rev...interbee-2016/ (guys, that’s a heavy iron kit ).

“SGO, the high-end post-production software and systems developer will be showcasing the new Mistika 8.7 on Kyoshin Communications – Booth 8506 Hall 8 at InterBEE 2016, at the Makuhari Messe in Tokyo from the 16th-18th November. SGO will be demonstrating a substantial number of new post-production tools to service the most demanding high-end finishing projects created for UHD, High Dynamic Range (HDR) and Virtual Reality (VR). SGO will also be showing SKY Perfect TV’s HDR test broadcasting programme that features a Hybrid Log Gamma workflow.”.

“For the first time, SGO will be showing….

“Kyoshin and SGO are partnering with Canon to display pioneering advancements in HDR technology. A Mistika system will be present on Canon’s Booth (7306 in Hall 7) with TSP Mistika Specialist, Shigeyuki Koeda at the controls to show how it plays an integral part of an end-to-end HDR-4K colour-process workflow.”

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I reckon

you won’t be seeing this aspect ratio too often….
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5918090/...ef_=tt_dt_spec

I Am Not Madame Bovary Official Trailer 1 (2016) - Bingbing Fan Movie - YouTube

P.S.
A version mastered in Dolby Vision is going out to Dolby Cinemas in China for exhibition on Friday. In terms of the world’s largest cinema market, a watershed event predicted to occur today...http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...-Cinema-Market

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

and 4K and HDR color grading with the new Mistika 8.7 - http://www.sgo.es/2016/11/sgo-to-rev...interbee-2016/ (guys, that’s a heavy iron kit ).

“SGO, the high-end post-production software and systems developer will be showcasing the new Mistika 8.7 on Kyoshin Communications – Booth 8506 Hall 8 at InterBEE 2016, at the Makuhari Messe in Tokyo from the 16th-18th November. SGO will be demonstrating a substantial number of new post-production tools to service the most demanding high-end finishing projects created for UHD, High Dynamic Range (HDR) and Virtual Reality (VR). SGO will also be showing SKY Perfect TV’s HDR test broadcasting programme that features a Hybrid Log Gamma workflow.”.

“For the first time, SGO will be showing….

Sincere thanks to one of our Japanese membership (who prefers to remain anonymous) for PM-ing me this video clip for documentation/illustrative purposes to the above post:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsXlAjtpNIU#t=37s

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Update: Opening pushed back to the 18th….hopefully in time to make for the DV showing of the new Harry Potter flick for folks down in thee O.C.

Update: New Dolby Cinema auditorium opening a day earlier than predicted - https://www.amctheatres.com/order/or...iliateCode=WWM

[DanBa]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

For which Japan is leading the way in regards to implementation, recent news - http://www.pronews.jp/news/20161114171056.html

with the help of the previously linked Toshiba firmware….. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...a#post12596356

Hikari TV operated by NTT Plala launched a 4K IP channel broadcast in HEVC HLG HDR.
https://www.hikaritv.net/english/







Hikari TV 4K IP channel broadcast in HEVC HLG HDR >> IP network >> 4K SDR TV

Hikari TV 4K IP channel broadcast in HEVC HLG HDR >> IP network >> HEVC HLG HDR compliant TV

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Update:

I’ll do a public service announcement related more toward the science of vision and as a follow-up to the above ‘Madame Bovary’ post later on when I have more time today or tomorrow. Eyes gets ½ for lunch (at most) if I’m lucky.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DanBa

IP

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...n#post12887861

I'd imagine Sony also has a large presence at Inter Bee.

[Richard Paul]

UHD-1 Phase 2 has been approved by the DVB with support for HDR (HLG/PQ), HFR, and NGA.

[ray0414]

The new top gear is now on amazon, called Grand Tour, its in 4k HDR. I only watched 3 minutes of it, and it's already the #1 streaming hdr quality I've seen over netflix and amazon. Looks phenomenal!! The cars just look absolutely insane. So vivid and detailed.