Archived: Insiders Thread

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

Forget the PS3, not even 10% of those people buy Blu-ray movies. The stand-alone market is key.

I do agree with you, and I would happily trade anymore bogo sales for a 200 range 1080p stand alone that is 1.1 certified and pushed to hell.
But I will confess that there is a part of me that feels that Sony (no offense and I would love to be reassured that it is not the case) will not let that happen because it may affect PS3 sales ( at least until the PS3 stabilizes itself).
Plus all manufacturers have to be on the same page or you risk hurting them if they are not ready to produce something in a comparable range.
Toshiba can bleed itself all it wants because it does not affect anyone else.

[jorg]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

Forget the PS3, not even 10% of those people buy Blu-ray movies. The stand-alone market is key.

sorry insiders for posting in u thread but i got to correct this

leone fan sonny did a survay and found that 18-23% of ps3 owner buy blu-ray movies atleast once a month

[paidgeek]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Then I say………… brake earlier coming into the turn then lay-off the brakes completely and accelerate !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrLFb47QHi0&NR=1

Nice catch-up.
Hope you appreciate the above.

P.S.
Now don't go nuts on the way to work Monday morning !

Willow springs is nice, but once you've tried Laguna, it spoils you for any place else...

[Bullseye]

How good are WB at releasing movies in the rest of the world when they do not have distribution rights in North America. Current example being Beowulf which is a Paramount film but distributed by WB in Europe. Paramount don't even get a mention in the credits? Any insider?

[paidgeek]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

Is the BDA going to compete with HDDVD this holiday season or are we all just throwing money down the dump supporting Blu-ray? Seriously, this isn't funny any longer. Toshiba is starting move a good number of units with nothing to counter from the BDA and I see more and more people buying HDDVD discs at the stores.

I get the feeling the BDA is just using us early adopters to recoup their R&D costs before they drop the format. They don't seem to care one bit.

I'm sorry, but I thought we were competing. Did you see the earlier post on the ad from Best Buy? For $2k you can now buy a high quality HD display, Blu-ray player, plus free movies. Have you seen all of the television spots promoting Blu-ray? How about HD-DVD television advertising, not so much right? If your sense of competing is that we have to give away Blu-ray players and movies at prices equal to, or less than another company who is taking a scorched earth tact, that's just not going to happen. Yes, Blu-ray is in this to win, but there has to be some kind of business left, when the battle is won.

[halon]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

I'm sorry, but I thought we were competing. Did you see the earlier post on the ad from Best Buy? For $2k you can now buy a high quality HD display, Blu-ray player, plus free movies. Have you seen all of the television spots promoting Blu-ray? How about HD-DVD television advertising, not so much right? If your sense of competing is that we have to give away Blu-ray players and movies at prices equal to, or less than another company who is taking a scorched earth tact, that's just not going to happen. Yes, Blu-ray is in this to win, but there has to be some kind of business left, when the battle is won.

well said

[Beta-guy]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

I'm sorry, but I thought we were competing. Did you see the earlier post on the ad from Best Buy? For $2k you can now buy a high quality HD display, Blu-ray player, plus free movies. Have you seen all of the television spots promoting Blu-ray? How about HD-DVD television advertising, not so much right? If your sense of competing is that we have to give away Blu-ray players and movies at prices equal to, or less than another company who is taking a scorched earth tact, that's just not going to happen. Yes, Blu-ray is in this to win, but there has to be some kind of business left, when the battle is won.

I fully agree, HD-DVD and BD target 2 different audiences, BD targets people who want the best from the technology, who care about audio and video quality, while HD-DVD target people who are... well cheap (I'd use another word but I can't think of one) after all they sold around 90K when it was on sale for $98 go ahead ask the HD-DVD'ers they'll tell you with pride they sold 90k on that sale lol but those 90k players have yet to really impact sales on HD discs.

The PS3 is evidence you don't have to be rich to enjoy Blu-ray, I simply have a HDTV and a PS3 and I'm amazed at the detail and sharpness of the picture, with every passing day that goes by I believe more and more that BD will win.

[Dotpattern]

Insiders, I have questions I hope you'll entertain, as the answers could probably shed some light on a bigger picture.

Theoritically, if HDDVD won the format war , would Toshiba invite other manufacturers (Philips, Panasonic, Samsung, etc) to begin producing their own players? And if so how would that impact pricing? In other words, how would a Samsung HDDVD player be able to compete with a Toshiba $99 player?

Okay, if that's a stupid question I have another:

Is there any type of reporting that would indicate how many of those (supposedly) 90k $99 players sold have been returned because the purchaser realized too late that it wouldn't play Spiderman, Ratatouille, etc BD's?

[The Don]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

Fair enough, but a $2K TV/Player deal is not really a comparable deal agains a $199 player.

when you consider the movies available....you wonder who is really getting ripped off

of course HD DVD fanboys say "that's based on opinion"....

not when the vast majority of the top sellers are on one format and the other has a small number of top selling movies...

[jsb_hburg]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

Fair enough, but a $2K TV/Player deal is not really a comparable deal agains a $199 player.

Glass half empty?


Bundling BD players with HDTVs is smart. This is not a promotion going after early adopters but for people saying now is the time.

By the looks of it, the promo appears to be a good deal.

http://bestbuy.shoplocal.com/bestbuy...vid%3d111807BA

[Iceman_II]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

Insiders, I have questions I hope you'll entertain, as the answers could probably shed some light on a bigger picture.

Theoritically, if HDDVD won the format war , would Toshiba invite other manufacturers (Philips, Panasonic, Samsung, etc) to begin producing their own players? And if so how would that impact pricing? In other words, how would a Samsung HDDVD player be able to compete with a Toshiba $99 player?

Okay, if that's a stupid question I have another:

Is there any type of reporting that would indicate how many of those (supposedly) 90k $99 players sold have been returned because the purchaser realized too late that it wouldn't play Spiderman, Ratatouille, etc BD's?

I know, I'm not an insider, but the answer is only logical, and it is out there right now... if Toshiba could talk any other CE company into making a player, you would see them on the shelves NOW... if the CE companies aren't willing to take a loss on them now (when toshiba would probably be willing to offer them sweetheart deals), they sure aren't going to be willing to take a loss on them EVER.

The $99 player was in effect a poison pill which killed off any hope of broader CE support

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by LeoneFan

Fair enough, but a $2K TV/Player deal is not really a comparable deal agains a $199 player.

ok..I just bought the Samsung BD-P1400 for my son's room for $299. I already have a PS3 and a Sony BD 300. I know that in the circular only the Samsung is mentioned, but in the store the Sony 300 BD player was $299 with Spiderman 3 in the box, and the Sharp Aquous BD HP 20U is also $299. You might not know Brandsmart, but it is the biggest seller of HD TVs and electronics in the South Florida area. One store sells more HD tvs on a Saturday than a Best Buy will sell in a month. BTW they have an extensive selection of BD movies, and a couple of sections of HD DVD movies. However, they don't even sell any HD DVd players. In addition, the Samsung BD-P1400 is priced at $339 in amazon with free shipping. You should do some research before you start your weekly rant.

http://www.brandsmart.com/source/Cir...px?pageid=3616

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by The Don

I think the Leonefan post should have it's own thread between him and PG as he's more-so just picking an argument and ruining the Insider Thread...

it should be separate and if PG wants to respond there then, yeah...I mean I don't run these forums, it's just a suggestion and after reading this, I'd appreciate it if a mod deleted this post...

thanks..

I think the mods have other things on their minds right now…….like setting up extra fans directed at the servers so that all the traffic onto our forum doesn’t cause a shutdown due to the traffic being produced by the Von-scoop on the Secret Wal*mart PS3 sale……………………

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=23991

[sj001]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

I'm sorry, but I thought we were competing. Did you see the earlier post on the ad from Best Buy? For $2k you can now buy a high quality HD display, Blu-ray player, plus free movies. Have you seen all of the television spots promoting Blu-ray? How about HD-DVD television advertising, not so much right? If your sense of competing is that we have to give away Blu-ray players and movies at prices equal to, or less than another company who is taking a scorched earth tact, that's just not going to happen. Yes, Blu-ray is in this to win, but there has to be some kind of business left, when the battle is won.

Could not have said it better myself, I really don't understand why everyone has to panic and saying the BDA is doing NOTHING. The last sentence especially, if HD-DVD somehow won, how they manage to ever make any money on player's ever again?

How exactly is giving away players at $99 SELLING anyways? I could bring my whole DVD collection into work and sell each one for a penny, should I be proud of my sales skills if I did that? Would anyone want to pay substantially more for one from me after that?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by The Don

true, they have plenty of time to clean this up...

I just hate reading this thread and having to weed through someone complaining over something that is nothing more than a result of that person viewing from one angle instead looking at things from a broad scale...

he's pretty much spreading FUD in the insiders thread...

Not to worry.
He can always PM me his address and I will send him out an app for the Marketing Dept. of the BDA.

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Well the source material for LOTR is in very good condition. The original elements are stored under lock and key and existing DI are used for making new editions of the movies. I think a new DI will be made for the eventual BD release, but I don't think the grain-haters are going to be very happy from what I have heard. PJ is keen on keeping the grain intact now that BD and HD DVD can show it, rather than DVD smudging it.

It is interesting that you say this because from my understanding quite a lot of work was done on FOTR by DTS Digital Images because it wasn't in nearly as good of condition as the other two films.

I didn't hear anything about the circumstances being what you said (DD+, etc) but that isn't the soundtrack selection that I heard was going to be used. I also heard the decision on theatrical cuts was NL's because of how early it was in the formats.

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

I also heard the decision on theatrical cuts was NL's because of how early it was in the formats.

Wouldn't this also allow for double dips?

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

Wouldn't this also allow for double dips?

I think that is the point. You don't want to give away all of your jewels right out of the gate, and New Line doesn't have a lot of them yet.

[Frode]

Since we're on the subject of multiple cuts and branching, I'd like to put in a request for more user control over branch points. Lets take a hypothetical scenario - the Star Wars movies. I actually like some of the effects updates, but I'm not very fond of the changes to story and music. For those kinds of movies I'd like more customized user control over which scenes are included. This would be in addition to the official cuts of course. At the same time I think it would be useful feature for pointing out the differences between the cuts, since they're otherwise seamless in the movies and the differences may not always be apparent.

I realize this is quite a bit of extra work and would have to be evaluated title for title, but I think it could bring more "value" to the use of branching in the first place.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

I know they did some seperate encodes optimized for each format with some test cases (including some very high profile titles) but didn't find enough of a difference to justify the seperate encodes.

What would justify the cost to New Line?

Given the expense of seperate encodes, and the low unit volumes of HDM, it would seem a cost-centered decision is all too easy to make. Context is everything. Will people do a Silverberg/Stringer and conclude that New Line is saying there is no difference?

Consumers commonly pay a substantial premium for small differences in video and audio fidelity.

Gary