Archived: Insiders Thread

[ra1024]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

It’s just mostly Targeted stuff made "official" and coming from the horse’s mouth that I had already posted (specifics, even) but, was deleted on another forum ……..luckily only after many here had read it…..via a link.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up as I never saw your post on AVS. I first read that the "T" rumor was about BR exclusivity and then PaidGeek said they were just promoting BR over HD DVD. I'm assuming that since you had said it wasn't a big announcement, it's along the lines of what Paid was saying. With all the speculation, I had begun to think your news was something else.

[ra1024]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I see that one of our other insider’s here ….Richard J. Casey, has two threads running simultaneously in the AVS forum.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=868185&page=1

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=868186

Wow, some nice little tidbits over there.

We were limited by the bandwidth of HD-DVD....there was no room to push the encode AND have DTS-HD Master Audio. I would need to "dumb down" so to speak the video encode to make it fit within the allocated bandwidth. I felt that PQ was more important to most people, so I went for best PQ with outstanding audio.

Sounds like 30MBS isn't quite adequate for every film every made.

[groovyone]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I see that one of our other insider’s here ….Richard J. Casey, has two threads running simultaneously in the AVS forum.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=868185&page=1

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=868186

At least up until now, the disparity in the predominant *theme* of each thread is quite interesting, not to mention the fact that I didn’t realize that HD DVD supporters were so interested in audio…….and so willing to offer enlightenment to an audio neophyte like Richard.

Thanks for the heads up on those discussions! It was very interesting to read how different each thread headed in their discussions. Great to get the story directly from a guy who really knows his stuff like Richard.

[MrBogey]

The HD DVD thread is a *****fest.

[gandley]

yeah the BD guys are like, nice man thanks for that, but a few HD-DVD boys are, toys out the pram. it is nice that a pro shows one has cramped bandwidth and the other does not. (not so much)

Heck i will buy these titles just to support Mr Casey.

What i found quite funny though is in the one thread, Rich says clearly that they will have to dump one format and go with the other (currently looking like blu ray being saved from the chop)
and after those posts i wonder which he thinks will garner the better more respected support. funny that was.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by MrBogey

The HD DVD thread is a *****fest.

Well the last post I read on the HD DVD side was #58 by Krobar, I wonder if things get better for poor ole Richard once everyone over there looks in the mirror.

I’m also interested in what the Micro$pin to this topic will be, once they become aware of the *situation*.

Perhaps………..

1. Richard, please be aware that Technicolor isn’t using the newest and greatest VC-1 encoder with the newest and greatest updates and goodies accompanied by the newest and greatest level 1 customer support.

OR

2. Richard, if Micro$pin compressionists had done the encodes it would be a different story.

OR

3. One nature title don’t mean diddly!
You need to do a sample of a hundred !

Oh, I got it…………….

4. Technicolor is paid for lock, stock and barrel by the BDA.

And so it goes………………….

[phloyd]

HD DVD enthusiasts are not allowed to say that they appreciate the high bitrate on this title. If they do they are admitting that high bitrate video is good.

The standard party line is that 15 mbps is adequate and that any other capacity should be used for IME and audio etc.

To say thanks for 26 Mbps would be admitting that is it desirable, where clearly that cannot be seen to be the case.

[gandley]

at least its a chance for them to see what high bitrate looks like, not many of there movies will show that.

but but, we can go 6mbits and still be transparent to the master... no wonder with IME etc some films on HD-DVD have to drop so low.

that whole VC-1 is transparent to the master thing was a complete kool aid joke.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I see that one of our other insider’s here ….Richard J. Casey, has two threads running simultaneously in the AVS forum.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=868185&page=1

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=868186

At least up until now, the disparity in the predominant *theme* of each thread is quite interesting, not to mention the fact that I didn’t realize that HD DVD supporters were so interested in audio…….and so willing to offer enlightenment to an audio neophyte like Richard.

They are very interested in audio, until it won't fit or the bandwidth is too low, and then they will argue that lossy is good enough.

Interesting that Rich is arguing that 96/24 beats 48/24, and is "threatening" to prove it (as well as AVC v. VC-1 and bit-rates) with an "Ulimate HD" disc (which I'll pledge right now to buy).

Gary

Micro$pin

[MrBogey]

Originally Posted by phloyd

HD DVD enthusiasts are not allowed to say that they appreciate the high bitrate on this title. If they do they are admitting that high bitrate video is good.

The standard party line is that 15 mbps is adequate and that any other capacity should be used for IME and audio etc.

To say thanks for 26 Mbps would be admitting that is it desirable, where clearly that cannot be seen to be the case.

They ought to be thankful. It's set at 29.97fps with interlacing. A format that the HD DVD ought to be able to read without any processing.

[degas]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Interesting that Rich is arguing that 96/24 beats 48/24, and is "threatening" to prove it (as well as AVC v. VC-1 and bit-rates) with an "Ulimate HD" disc (which I'll pledge right now to buy).

Gary

Micro$pin

Well, that's not surprising since 24/96 sounds better than 24/48 (and 192/24 sounds best).
However I think most people (audiophiles and professionals excluded) won't find the higher sample rates to be earth shattering. The step from 16 to 24 bits is a bigger step IMHO.

[Penton-Man]

Here's a serious heads-up to this new thread.........

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...d=1#post122444

Let the man know how you feel.

[Azumi]

A question to all Blu insiders:

There's been quite some talk in the past on the titles that have been ported to Blu-ray by simply using the HD DVD master. The main culprit is clearly Warner. But the recent Amazon/Microsoft announcement widens the crack. If any of these indie pictures are ported to Blu-ray one day, they won't be able to provide the bitrates and all the bells and whistles of the Blu format.

So my question is if anybody has considered a "made for Blu-ray" logo and program, to be provided only to content that is being pristinely optimized for Blu-ray. The HD DVD ports would be disqualified and their Studios would need to reencode the movies in order to get the logo.

These kind of programs have done wonders for the iPod and iPhone, haven't they?

[dialog_gvf]

^^^ That's a darn good idea.

[Steeb]

Originally Posted by Azumi

A question to all Blu insiders:

There's been quite some talk in the past on the titles that have been ported to Blu-ray by simply using the HD DVD master. The main culprit is clearly Warner. But the recent Amazon/Microsoft announcement widens the crack. If any of these indie pictures are ported to Blu-ray one day, they won't be able to provide the bitrates and all the bells and whistles of the Blu format.

So my question is if anybody has considered a "made for Blu-ray" logo and program, to be provided only to content that is being pristinely optimized for Blu-ray. The HD DVD ports would be disqualified and their Studios would need to reencode the movies in order to get the logo.

These kind of programs have done wonders for the iPod and iPhone, haven't they?

Wouldn't "Optimized For Blu-ray Disc" be more appropriate? I don't know - sounds more official/technical to me...

Interesting idea, though.

[degas]

Originally Posted by Azumi

...so my question is if anybody has considered a "made for Blu-ray" logo and program, to be provided only to content that is being pristinely optimized for Blu-ray. The HD DVD ports would be disqualified and their Studios would need to reencode the movies in order to get the logo.

These kind of programs have done wonders for the iPod and iPhone, haven't they?

I agree - this is an excellent idea!

[Rob Tomlin]

Originally Posted by Azumi

A question to all Blu insiders:

There's been quite some talk in the past on the titles that have been ported to Blu-ray by simply using the HD DVD master. The main culprit is clearly Warner. But the recent Amazon/Microsoft announcement widens the crack. If any of these indie pictures are ported to Blu-ray one day, they won't be able to provide the bitrates and all the bells and whistles of the Blu format.

So my question is if anybody has considered a "made for Blu-ray" logo and program, to be provided only to content that is being pristinely optimized for Blu-ray. The HD DVD ports would be disqualified and their Studios would need to reencode the movies in order to get the logo.

These kind of programs have done wonders for the iPod and iPhone, haven't they?

I will chime in here and agree that I really like this idea a lot. I agree with Steeb that a better phrasing would be something along the lines of "Optimized For Blu-ray Disc".

[kjack]

Off I go to SinoCES...

http://www.cesweb.org/sinoces/


We're showing our reference design in the BDA booth. Interestingly, there have been so many inquires by companies wanting to build BD players that I was asked to give a presentation. So now I have to take a suit...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by kjack

Off I go to SinoCES...
(

Keith, take some pics if you can........esp. if there are any booth babes.

[blitz6speed]

Originally Posted by kjack

Off I go to SinoCES...

http://www.cesweb.org/sinoces/


We're showing our reference design in the BDA booth. Interestingly, there have been so many inquires by companies wanting to build BD players that I was asked to give a presentation. So now I have to take a suit...

Yum yum, gimme some!