Sony introduces high-end ZD9 TV series with HDR

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by DJR662

Don't you wish you needed to do a calibration just once, knowing everything is set like it ought to be and never look back?

So are you using Pro now for both SDR and HDR or did you revert to your previous settings separately for SDR (Pro) and HDR (Home) after the calibration?

That's fine for SDR (although these things do drift, and using different players can have slightly different results so it's always worth re-checking every now and then) but HDR is such a moving target that I'm happy to keep monitoring it like this.

[edit] I'm using Pro for HDR and Home for SDR, everything is identical apart from contrast but because it doesn't store that setting differently between HDR and SDR on the same picture mode I can't use Pro for both. So I just copied the settings across to Home and just tuned the contrast/luminance towards 120-nit SDR specifically. The 709 gamut tracks perfectly as well, the average dE across my primaries and secondaries is 1.14.

[JimShaw]

75Z9D owners. Need your input

I will be UPGRADING my Samsung 78JS9500 to either Sony's 77A1E or the 75Z9D

First of all my initial thought is: Is the A1E really worth $9,000 more than the Z9D? Logic says, No.

Which brings me to the 75Z9D.

All the data to me says that it is an exceptional TV except for a couple areas and this is where I need your thought.

RTINGS rates this set very high but rates low in two areas.

Motion: Z9D 7.7 out of 10, the Q9 a 9 and the A1E a 9.6
Motion Blur: Z9D 7.4 out of 10, the Q9 a 9.3 and the A1E a 10

Do you, 75" owners, find Motion and Motion Blur problems with your sets?


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[dominica]

Originally Posted by JimShaw

75Z9D owners. Need your input

I will be UPGRADING my Samsung 78JS9500 to either Sony's 77A1E or the 75Z9D

First of all my initial thought is: Is the A1E really worth $9,000 more than the Z9D? Logic says, No.

Which brings me to the 75Z9D.

All the data to me says that it is an exceptional TV except for a couple areas and this is where I need your thought.

RTINGS rates this set very high but rates low in two areas.

Motion: Z9D 7.7 out of 10, the Q9 a 9 and the A1E a 9.6
Motion Blur: Z9D 7.4 out of 10, the Q9 a 9.3 and the A1E a 10

Do you, 75" owners, find Motion and Motion Blur problems with your sets?


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The 75Z9D uses a different panel than the 65 that was reviewed on RTINGS(65 inch). The 75 panel is much faster (check on AVS for different members who measured the same test that RTINGS used to measure the Motion Blur and got some of the best motion result. Also, visiting both forums I have not heard many people complaining about motion blur.

Good luck

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by dominica

The 75Z9D uses a different panel than the 65 that was reviewed on RTINGS(65 inch). The 75 panel is much faster (check on AVS for different members who measured the same test that RTINGS used to measure the Motion Blur and got some of the best motion result. Also, visiting both forums I have not heard many people complaining about motion blur.

Good luck

I was going to post the same thing.

Had my 75" since August and have put countless hours of gaming on it and the motion handling has been superb.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's fine for SDR (although these things do drift, and using different players can have slightly different results so it's always worth re-checking every now and then) but HDR is such a moving target that I'm happy to keep monitoring it like this.

[edit] I'm using Pro for HDR and Home for SDR, everything is identical apart from contrast but because it doesn't store that setting differently between HDR and SDR on the same picture mode I can't use Pro for both. So I just copied the settings across to Home and just tuned the contrast/luminance towards 120-nit SDR specifically. The 709 gamut tracks perfectly as well, the average dE across my primaries and secondaries is 1.14.

Wish Sony kept the settings for SDR 2D, 3D and HDR separately, don't understand why this hasn't been "fixed" yet. Should have been that way from the beginning anyway.

Care to share "Geoff's new ZD9 settings" with us?

[DJR662]

Not that I am dissatisfied with my X940D's PQ but I wish I would have known the ZD9 would be coming that same year, I would have waited and gotten a 75ZD9 for sure...

[elwaylite]

I tried using a 6500K LED backlight for Ghost in the Shell last night, and to be honest the 940E looked better in pitch black vs the backlight being on. These things really do a great job.

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

I tried using a 6500K LED backlight for Ghost in the Shell last night, and to be honest the 940E looked better in pitch black vs the backlight being on. These things really do a great job.

I picked up a 55" 930E yesterday. I had my old 65" X850A in my office and it was far too big and this is much better for being above my PC. Needless to say it is a night and day difference in image quality and I am very impressed with the layered edge lit backlighting system even after being spoiled by the Z in the living room. (I know your 940E is FALD just thought I would share my satisfaction with this line. )

[elwaylite]

My 930C was pretty nice, it just had flashlighting in the corners which were a bit annoying on letterbox movies.

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

My 930C was pretty nice, it just had flashlighting in the corners which were a bit annoying on letterbox movies.

Fortunately from what I have tried thus far that seems to be mostly eliminated by their Slim Backlight Drive+ tech.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by mutelight

Fortunately from what I have tried thus far that seems to be mostly eliminated by their Slim Backlight Drive+ tech.

It has indeed. I loved my 55X9005B but the edge lighting caused a change in colour temperature out near the edges of the screen, on panning shots it was always something of a minor distraction but the ZD9's FALD is much more uniform for colour temp and backlighting from edge to edge.

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It has indeed. I loved my 55X9005B but the edge lighting caused a change in colour temperature out near the edges of the screen, on panning shots it was always something of a minor distraction but the ZD9's FALD is much more uniform for colour temp and backlighting from edge to edge.

Yeah, color me impressed. I can definitely appreciate the improved backlight control of my Z with the FALD but for an edge lit, this layering system seriously seems to work and boy does it get bright!

If they made a 55" Z, I would have considered it but this 930E seems to do a great job.

I also considered getting another LG OLED but since I sometimes use the office TV as a second monitor, I decided to stick with LCD to avoid any potential image retention headaches. The 900E was also on the table but most of my content in this room is Twitch streams and DirecTV in the background while I do other things so I wanted the X1E to assist with the less than ideal source cleanup. (Plus I saw the miracles it can work on the Z.) The Sony's obliterate my LG E6 with less than ideal sources with far superior image processing, though I still do like some of the strengths of the E6.

Anyway, sorry for slightly derailing this thread from specifically the Z but they are all part of the same family I suppose.

[Geoff D]

It's alright, elway hasn't got a Z either and that didn't stop him from weighing in. The more the merrier

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's alright, elway hasn't got a Z either and that didn't stop him from weighing in. The more the merrier

Haha fair and I have been a proud owner of the 75Z9D since August and honestly, a day doesn't pass where the picture makes me say "holy s***" out loud. I just wish Android TV wasn't so pitifully slow on it.

I primarily use my Nvidia Shield but it is certainly annoying when I am trying to change picture modes and I feel like I should grab a cup of coffee between menu inputs. Ironically the RVU with DirecTV works quite well but I think my DirecTV server is serving up the GUI.

[Geoff D]

I still have zero issues with the menus, they're far more responsive and quick than my previous Sony 55"...but then I don't have it connected to the interwebs at all and don't use anything else on it other than tweaking the picture settings. Which I do a lot of, natch.

[elwaylite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Zn...ature=youtu.be

I think Ill just cut wifi off, I dont need it looking for things and I would prefer to have control over FW updates anyways. I disabled the Samba thing even though I never see it, and the limiting of background processes is cool but I did not mess with developer mode.

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

[Show spoiler]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Zn...ature=youtu.be

I think Ill just cut wifi off, I dont need it looking for things and I would prefer to have control over FW updates anyways. I disabled the Samba thing even though I never see it, and the limiting of background processes is cool but I did not mess with developer mode.

Haven't watched this yet, will catch it tomorrow when I have time to absorb the details.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by gkolb

Haven't watched this yet, will catch it tomorrow when I have time to absorb the details.

I'm gonna take a look at it also, although I must say I haven't really had issues with my ZD9 regarding this aspect. It's my other Sony TV (XD9405) that has issues.

If there's one thing TVs these days could do without, it's all the sh*t that's being forced upon the consumer by implementing all kinds of unnecessary things that no one has asked for.

[Geoff D]

Turning wifi off, you say? I'll have to look into that

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by elwaylite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Zn...ature=youtu.be


I think Ill just cut wifi off, I dont need it looking for things and I would prefer to have control over FW updates anyways. I disabled the Samba thing even though I never see it, and the limiting of background processes is cool but I did not mess with developer mode.

I watched that yesterday and have disabled some apps/services on my TV but will go through and clean up the additional ones he pointed out.

I need a wired connection on my Z for RVU but with the X930E, I suppose I could disable WiFi and stick to the Shield in the office.