Sony introduces high-end ZD9 TV series with HDR

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

At our town's high end TV store there is like 8 Living Room Demo areas. Each with leather theater chairs and or sofas.
And every kind High End TV's 65 inch and larger.

One was demo the Sony A1e. It had a huge Hazy OLED Burn in area. Any human fleshtones traversing that large area TURNS GREEN.

The sales manager was in disbelief. He could'nt believe it happened in their demo areas. Playing a Sony supplied demo.

Sony OLED's use LG Panels right?

I gather Sony won't let that store return that Burn In OLED.

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

The E6 is an old generation TV, no wonder it's permanently burn-in.
The C8 is newer, better, nicer, less money, best blacks, wide angles, quasi 3D screaming beautiful picture, like a cosmic orgasm. Nothing against Sony, they just overcharge too much for their LED and OLED TVs, that's all, like the old bad days.

He doesn't have an E6 but based on your dramatic description of the C8 being a "cosmic orgasm" sounds like your mind was already made up on the recommendation.

You speak of "quasi 3D" well the Z has actual 3D. On top of that the Sony gets over twice as bright in HDR and arguably more 3D in that content.

Saying they overcharge, the Z is $1,000 cheaper in the states, is two years older and still handles motion and image processing better and has better color volume. I've always seen posterization on a LG OLED and inversely never seen it on a Sony TV from the past two years.

The reason Sony TVs carry a premium is because we still have a 2016 TV doing better in the image processing quality department against a TV recently released in 2018. You pay for their image processing and the technology that drives the panel. (Especially considering that Sony OLEDs are using LG panels.)

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

If they were more competitive (@ least in my neighborhood), I would give them my services and feed their vaults. Competitive, that's all...it is so financially simplicity in itself, making all good common intelligent wise monetary sense in these days and ages.

Again, your initial post was oversimplified making it seem like the only consideration was the price differential and if the goal was to save money, you did well, even though by that requisite the choice was obvious.

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

The less competitive they are the taller the wall they build between their providers.
We encourage the best in all aspects, because movies matter, including animated cartoons, and Disney/Marvel 4K flicks. ...And beautiful docs like Planet Earth II 4K.

Beautiful docs like Planet Earth II in 4K would have been even more beautiful on the Z with less tone mapping required for the HDR due to the C8 being a dimmer panel. That combined with the higher color volume, lack of image retention, and the ability to get more than twice as bright, the Z would win for that type of content. It would of course lose on viewing angles and black levels which you'd have to be in a dark room to differentiate.

Anyway all that said, give yourself a pat on the back, you wanted to recommend the cheaper TV and you did.

Undoubtedly the C8 is superior in some aspects and cheaper in your area and you are giving a recommendation to someone who doesn't know what they don't know when it comes to brightness and image processing.

If one of my friends that is a casual viewer didn't know the difference between the two, I would recommend the cheaper of the two as well, I am just trying to point out that each display has its advantages but I wouldn't blindly recommend it without articulating the differences to my friend.

In short, if the goal was to be cost conscious in your market and get a great TV, the C8 is where it is at and would be my recommendation.

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by E6AtmosVuduDV

At our town's high end TV store there is like 8 Living Room Demo areas. Each with leather theater chairs and or sofas.
And every kind High End TV's 65 inch and larger.

One was demo the Sony A1e. It had a huge Hazy OLED Burn in area. Any human fleshtones traversing that large area TURNS GREEN.

The sales manager was in disbelief. He could'nt believe it happened in their demo areas. Playing a Sony supplied demo.

Sony OLED's use LG Panels right?

I gather Sony won't let that store return that Burn In OLED.

Heat damage from the OLED panel running too long at too high of a temperature. It isn't burn-in that you get from static images.

That happens with OLEDs that are run either all the time or for 10+ hours per day at high light output. It can happen on any OLED, including those in phones.

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Which exactly Sony OLED model?

A1E which I had calibrated last Friday.

[jibucha]

photographs :: picture 'looks' quite spectacular

Originally Posted by mutelight

A1E which I had calibrated last Friday.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by E6AtmosVuduDV

At our town's high end TV store there is like 8 Living Room Demo areas. Each with leather theater chairs and or sofas.
And every kind High End TV's 65 inch and larger.

One was demo the Sony A1e. It had a huge Hazy OLED Burn in area. Any human fleshtones traversing that large area TURNS GREEN.

The sales manager was in disbelief. He could'nt believe it happened in their demo areas. Playing a Sony supplied demo.

Sony OLED's use LG Panels right?

I gather Sony won't let that store return that Burn In OLED.

Yes, Sony OLED TVs use LG panels.
I'm not worry about the A1E because she's not available anymore near me, neither online.
• https://m.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/s...65a1e/10630156

That's why I never bothered to mention it.
As for the LG and other Sony OLED TVs, series 6 and 7 from LG, the series 8 are better and less older. The newer Sony A8F and A9F they cost way way too much and are no better than LG 8 series. It makes simply zero business sense. ...Here in Canada.

The Sony LED TVs, the top ones, Z9D and Z9F, they just aren't sexy as LG OLED 8 series, overall perform lesser than LG OLED, plus they cost more, much much more! ...Again, here in Canada, so it makes zero intelligent investment wise moneterary performance value sense, none whatsoever. Just don't fall asleep watching FOX news and waste your time reading tweets from all those b✈ndits, and watching selfies on Instagram. Those will burn you out and in. That's all; give good care to your LG OLED TV now (series 8) and tomorrow, and you should be free of permanent burn-in for years (2 or 3 or even more).
By then new technologies will have improved by quantum leap steps...micro details unmasked by the human eye with 10,000 nits, 8K, Super HDR10+, ...all that jazz.

And if everything goes as predicted, by 2022 we might be in luck with 3D back but this time around more improved, in 4K and without the Darth Vader glasses.
And it's ok too if it takes longer, but Avatar 2 in 3D will come before it, and we'll all see with our own eyes where we'll be.

If my friend was richer she might be interested by the 75" Z9D because her son is a 3D fan.
But seven grands (seven thousand loonies) is a tough bottle of pills (Viagra) to swallow!
▪ https://m.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/s...75z9d/10460913
Amen!

Oh, the future smells so good, I can taste it.
But be worry about the stock market, it will get much worst than what people are ready for.
You've read it right here, in the Z9D with HDR thread. She looks real sweet too @ the store, but the C8 is simply irresistibly desirable, like the black widow.

Snow flakes of cheers,

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

Yes, Sony OLED TVs use LG panels.
I'm not worry about the A1E because she's not available anymore near me, neither online.
• https://m.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/s...65a1e/10630156

That's why I never bothered to mention it.
As for the LG and other Sony OLED TVs, series 6 and 7 from LG, the series 8 are better and less older. The newer Sony A8F and A9F they cost way way too much and are no better than LG 8 series. It makes simply zero business sense. ...Here in Canada.

The Sony LED TVs, the top ones, Z9D and Z9F, they just aren't sexy as LG OLED 8 series, overall perform lesser than LG OLED, plus they cost more, much much more! ...Again, here in Canada, so it makes zero intelligent investment wise moneterary performance value sense, none whatsoever. Just don't fall asleep watching FOX news and waste your time reading tweets from all those b✈ndits, and watching selfies on Instagram. Those will burn you out and in. That's all; give good care to your LG OLED TV now (series 8) and tomorrow, and you should be free of permanent burn-in for years (2 or 3 or even more).
By then new technologies will have improved by quantum leap steps...micro details unmasked by the human eye with 10,000 nits, 8K, Super HDR10+, ...all that jazz.

And if everything goes as predicted, by 2022 we might be in luck with 3D back but this time around more improved, in 4K and without the Darth Vader glasses.
And it's ok too if it takes longer, but Avatar 2 in 3D will come before it, and we'll all see with our own eyes where we'll be.

If my friend was richer she might be interested by the 75" Z9D because her son is a 3D fan.
But seven grands (seven thousand loonies) is a tough bottle of pills (Viagra) to swallow!
▪ https://m.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/s...75z9d/10460913
Amen!

Oh, the future smells so good, I can taste it.
But be worry about the stock market, it will get much worst than what people are ready for.
You've read it right here, in the Z9D with HDR thread. She looks real sweet too @ the store, but the C8 is simply irresistibly desirable, like the black widow.

Snow flakes of cheers,

You and E6AtmosVuduDV are made to ramble at one another.

[LordoftheRings]

I told her that no matter what, if the price goes down between Christmas and New Year, she could always bring her back and cash the difference. ...I really doubt it; worst is that she'll get a cheque.

It's not about me or anybody else, it's about the best TV for the performance and value.
Isn't it the same for you? ...The A1E is very cool looking, clever (sound), and some of my best friends own it, same for the Z9D ... 65 and 75" Class.

Cheers, holidays spirit,

* Your post, #1147, was excellent.

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

I told her that no matter what, if the price goes down between Christmas and New Year, she could always bring her back and cash the difference. ...I really doubt it; worst is that she'll get a cheque.

It's not about me or anybody else, it's about the best TV for the performance and value.
Isn't it the same for you? ...The A1E is very cool looking, clever (sound), and some of my best friends own it, same for the Z9D ... 65 and 75" Class.

Cheers, holidays spirit,

Best Buy here in the states has an extended return period and therefore an extended price matching period during the holiday, so it shouldn't be a problem in that regard, if it is the same over there.

Even if the prices were the same between the two, I would still walk them through the various advantages I have articulated in this thread because while rtings.com can be a good resource, a bunch of numerical values don't paint the whole picture. (In addition I as well have others have noticed discrepancies in them and those numerical values can slide around a bit so don't take them as absolute truth.)

Price to performance ratio, the C8 is definitely the best in your region but that was covered in your very first post when you said it was cheaper.

So crisp high five and holiday cheers to you, now back on the topic of the thread.

[LordoftheRings]

Yes, Best Buy Canada is the same in that regard.

I agree with you, and you put it very nicely in post #1147

And it's very true that depending of where we live, country, state, continent, our purchase power varies.
So it's all good that we buy different brands and model TVs, including the Sony Z9D.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...nside-your-tv/

77C8 was calibrated right?

[HDMan72]

Originally Posted by mutelight

Beautiful docs like Planet Earth II in 4K would have been even more beautiful on the Z with less tone mapping required for the HDR due to the C8 being a dimmer panel. That combined with the higher color volume, lack of image retention, and the ability to get more than twice as bright, the Z would win for that type of content.

Pretty much why I went with the Z9D over the C8. Plus I watch movies with the room dark and the blacks, why not as black as OLED are damn near perfect for LCD, thats for sure.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Bob.

To cover the bases for your friend.
Take a look. Good versus OLED comparisons.

----https://youtu.be/DikkMagcuE0----

THO
At my home the Z9D compares well with my OLED.

[LordoftheRings]

E6, thank you for your passion on the best TV moving pictures, your educational links, your contributions.

We love watching TV, and everything is important. When I watch films in wide screen aspect ratio (with black bars), I want them truly black. And, I don't want them to be permanently burn-in into my TV.
The TV channels logo and scroreboards and video games and all the rest is of no personal concern to me. But for 99% of the rest of people it is. And it's for them that they need to be aware of OLED's real life true potential risks...burn-in.

That's probably why in Canada the LG OLED TVs are much much more affordable than the Sony LED TVs like the Z9D and Z9F. Canadians mark their prices accordingly? I don't know, it's just that OLED from LG looks so gorgeous and cost less money.
Oh, we also have OLED Panasonic. They too look gorgeous.

If Sony LED TVs were affordable in Canada (top guns), in comparison to the best of the best OLED TVs from both LG, Sony and Panasonic, they would have a better business with consumers.

Living in America is a great advantage in this case here over living in Canada, and much more.
There are many things that I don't agree with Canadian leaders and decision makers, but what can I do. I simply work hard, vote with my wallet and recommend what I think it's best for my friends with the cards we have been given. It's not easy I admit, the risk factor is real. I think Sony and the distributors in Canada have a role in educating and accommodating, an important role that they simply skip in order to make a bigger financial profit by charging way more than their competitors.
I just don't know if that strategy pays off more @ the end; they are the ones who pull the financial strings of their products. Sell less for more, sell more for more, stay high sell high sell more. Sony in Canada is not Sony in the USA. If they were the Z9D would be more affordable than the LG C8.

Thank you for the links you provide because they are important and educational for everyone.
Money is important, and the denominating factor in most people's TV purchases.
The Best doesn't always cost more ...
No two people watch the same things for the same amount of time twice.

We love our children first, then our TVs second.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Bob. I learned the Hard Way to necessarily BABY my new G6 OLED. As article indicated. OLED's needs Babying.

Teach your friend. And her Kids. To protect their OLED.

[RalphoR]

Fyi Robert at Value Electronics mentioned they just received an allotment of both the 65" and 75" Z9Ds if anyone is in the market for one.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

Yep.
REAL Z9D"s not going away.

Bet at CES 2019 we see a REAL Z9D with HDMI 2.1, Over 600 zones, 120 FPS, and other Goodies. IMO

Maybe Sony will call it their "Superior Master Series" with displays as large as 100 inch.

Yes! and OREO cookies

[mutelight]

Originally Posted by E6AtmosVuduDV

Best Buy.com did nearly sold out like last week for stores pick up or delivery to house.

Now as of yesterday or day before...

Best Buy.com allows Z9D store pick or deliver from a Gazillion BB stores. $1999.
I confirmed this on their BB website

Seeing this Z9D Gazillion availability Makes me believe CES 2019 in January will present a new Z9F #2____ So that Sony then can Retire the Z9D's.

Originally Posted by Stereodude

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

Originally Posted by mutelight

I was going to say the same thing, almost definitely won't happen at all.

They'll show a successor to the 900F and maybe they'll bring back the 930/940 tier models that they'll announce there but the Z has always been 3rd quarter releases and reveals.

Originally Posted by E6AtmosVuduDV

Always Surprises.

Who would have thought Sony gives peoples who waited 2 or 3 years for a ** Z** Upgrade and gives them minimum Zones, subpar Premimum Contrast, Blooming, Raising Blacks...

Originally Posted by mutelight

Nope. Not happening.

Originally Posted by RalphoR

They just launched the Z9F. I highly doubt we'll hear anything about a new one. It seems the Z is on a 2 year upgrade cycle at best and I wouldn't be surprised if the next one is not an LED TV as we know them now.

Originally Posted by E6AtmosVuduDV

8 K's will be well represented at CES 2019 IMO with no doubt. Watch for emergence of HDMI 2.1 all over IMO with no doubt.

All this For the Lead In Awaking for 2020 Tokoyo Olymbics(or Japan) Broadcast.

If Z9F with no HDMI 2.1 as the main 2019 Sony Flagship____ would make me Shimmer

Originally Posted by RalphoR

2.1 is on the way at some point. If Sony does implement it in 2019 I'd guess it would be for their high end projectors and maybe their newest flagship OLED. I wouldn't bet too much on it.

Originally Posted by E6AtmosVuduDV

Yep.
REAL Z9D"s not going away.

Bet at CES 2019 we see a REAL Z9D with HDMI 2.1, Over 600 zones, 120 FPS, and other Goodies. IMO

Maybe Sony will call it their "Superior Master Series" with displays as large as 100 inch.

Yes! and OREO cookies

No, just no, now stop spamming.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

RalphoR posted

Fyi Robert at*Value Electronics*mentioned they just received an allotment of both the 65" and 75" Z9Ds if anyone is in the market for one.

Thats great news. Robert Zohn's Value Elecronics provides TV calibration option before shipping.

[E6AtmosVuduDV]

mutelight posted

Quote:

Originally Posted by*mutelight*

My buddy has the Nick Jr logo burned in on his OLED from his kids watching cartoons.

I replaced my LG E6 with a Sony OLED and it blows it away in image processing and motion handling. There is a reason they cost more but it is up to the consumer if it is worth it to them.

Thats great!
Most on this forum owns Z9D. IMO withOUT much doubt from what I see.
So MuteLight. You saying to buy Sony OLEDs to replace our Z9D's???