Sony introduces high-end ZD9 TV series with HDR

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by DVD Josh

I'm making my way through the MCU in preparation for Endgame. My next three are:

(D) Ant-Man (3D)
(D) Captain America: Civil War (3D)
(D) Doctor Strange (3D)

I may go ahead and jump Dr. Strange ahead of Cap and Ant-Man to see along with you but I'd be curious to know what anyone else finds.

I think the 3D on this TV (and other Sony active sets) is just a mixed bag really. It has definitely improved since the first Sony 3D sets from 2010 but crosstalk still remained an issue on their active TVs in 2016 (thought it seems to differ from disc to disc).

As quick as I always am to point out how great I think the Z9D is, I'm also not afraid to mention its weaknesses. Unfortunately, 3D is not among the Z9D's biggest strenghts (which is a shame really since I'm a huge 3D fan). Especially when you compare it to the 3D on 2016 LG OLEDs for example...

Btw what glasses are you using, the regular Sony ones or another brand?

[DVD Josh]

Originally Posted by DJR662

I think the 3D on this TV (and other Sony active sets) is just a mixed bag really. It has definitely improved since the first Sony 3D sets from 2010 but crosstalk still remained an issue on their active TVs in 2016 (thought it seems to differ from disc to disc).

As quick as I always am to point out how great I think the Z9D is, I'm also not afraid to mention its weaknesses. Unfortunately, 3D is not among the Z9D's biggest strenghts (which is a shame really since I'm a huge 3D fan). Especially when you compare it to the 3D on 2016 LG OLEDs for example...

Btw what glasses are you using, the regular Sony ones or another brand?

Sony BT-400s and BT-500s.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Robert Siegel

I forgot to mention, when I do those 3 steps, press and hold down power button until tv reboots and then play my 3d movie, I always Re sync my glasses with the TV as soon as I get confirmation from the TV when confirms it is a 3D disc. Maybe that is also helping, so I will repost my steps here

1. On the remote with the TV on, press and hold down the power button until the TV reboots. Dvd JOSH-You won't lose your settings

2. Put in your 3d disc and let it load

3. The TV should read it is a 3D disc.

4. Now do a fresh sync of your glasses.

5. Start the movie

This works for me every time and a few times I had to do it twice. I had mentioned I had lines and other things but I think i meant that most of my issues are crosstalk too. I have a friend with the 65 inch version and this fixed it for him too. So try my 5 steps, could be re-syncing the glasses, which I forgot about in my earlier post, is important in the reboot and to freshly re-sync the glasses once the TV picks up it is a 3D disc. That's when I re-sync the glasses (do the power reboot first).

Let me know if anyone has any luck with this. Once it works I get near zero crosstalk. I don't change any of the settings except under 3d I like to turn up the 3D effect.

Originally Posted by DVD Josh

Robert, I think there is a way to shot circuit all of this. After having alot of crosstalk issues, last night I just let the actual movie start playing (not the trailers of anything else) then synced the glasses. Perfect 3D. Give it a shot next time.

Just tried both these methods with Doctor Strange (chapter 4) and I could not see any difference, crosstalk remains exactly the same whenever there is any. It's not like this dics is unwatchable due to the crosstalk, but when it's there, it's there.

Before that I watched Gravity and there is much less crosstalk to be seen with that movie. It's a great 3D presentation on the Z9D actually. And even when there is a little crosstalk present, it's definitely not as intrusive as with Doctor Strange and other movies I have seen.

All in all I think there is no magic workaround regarding crosstalk on the Z9D (or any other previous Sony 3D sets that I have owned for that matter). Sony definitely improved on their active 3D throughout the years but they never perfected it. And besides that, some discs are just prone to exhibit more crosstalk than others.

Regardless though I'm really happy with the Z9D having 3D, it makes this already excellent TV even more valuable.

[vincentric]

Had an active Sony set (850c) where crosstalk indeed varied from disc to disc. Messed around a bit with the 3d depth adjustment and found success with that to some degree having different values setup depending on the movie. It became a bit of a chore to keep track of things though and there was no escaping crosstalk altogether but was happy enough with the results. Don't wanna go off topic too much, but pretty much found 3d nirvana when I got the c6 (am also not shy about calling out weaknesses - the hdr performance on the c6 to my eyes was not satisfactory).

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by vincentric

Had an active Sony set (850c) where crosstalk indeed varied from disc to disc. Messed around a bit with the 3d depth adjustment and found success with that to some degree having different values setup depending on the movie. It became a bit of a chore to keep track of things though and there was no escaping crosstalk altogether but was happy enough with the results. Don't wanna go off topic too much, but pretty much found 3d nirvana when I got the c6 (am also not shy about calling out weaknesses - the hdr performance on the c6 to my eyes was not satisfactory).

I've read about adjusting the 3D depth slider (sometimes a combo of the player and TV) but the thing is, when you do that it might get rid of crosstalk in a particular part of the screen at any given moment but it'll be worse in another part where there previously was none. So basically you're back to square one then...

Sony should have released the A1 in 2016, that way it would have had 3D and I ended up getting one of those just for that.

[vincentric]

For sure, I worded it poorly but that's exactly what I was thinking about when mentioning there was no escaping it altogether. Would try to find a 3d depth value that I could live with but it wasn't easy.

The a1 w/3d in 2016 would have been nice, hoping we see another 3d oled down the road that can match or exceed the '16 lg models. Am limiting my c6 to just 3d viewing hoping to see that day before it dies. But I have a lot of 3d material...

[DJR662]

What's this I'm reading about a "Sponsored" channel running ads on the home screen?

So glad I didn't do the Oreo update.

[Geoff D]

I very much agree with DJR on this. With all due respect to everybody who's chimed in with a 'magic bullet' to make the 3D better (and not just in this thread, I've had years of this on several forums), I think it's all magic bullshit. If it works for y'all then great, but I've tried everything short of doing some kind of mystical dance or interring the TV in an old Indian burial ground and it makes ZERO difference to the 3D. Nothing. Nathan. Nada.

I do still watch the occasional 3D movie on it, the crosstalk bugs the shit out of me but I just go with it. I quite enjoyed Dr Strange, for example, although it looked very dim compared to what I'm used to now with HDR.

[bytor]

Originally Posted by DJR662

I watched Doctor Strange 3D yesterday. Crosstalk city.

That disc will now be a perfect opportunity to test your findings.

I agree, that does have some bad instances of crosstalk on the Z9D. It's still pretty great overall though so I can put up with it.

Another title that had some bad crosstalk is Hugo unfortunately. I haven't gone through the whole movie yet, but just flipping through some chapters I noticed some bad instances of it

It would be helpful if we had a list of certain titles to avoid in 3D on the Z9D. One that I just watched recently that was amazing though is Sin City: A Dame to Kill For. I expected some bad crosstalk because of it being black and white but wow, only very minor instances of it with some amazing 3D.

Originally Posted by DJR662

Before that I watched Gravity and there is much less crosstalk to be seen with that movie. It's a great 3D presentation on the Z9D actually. And even when there is a little crosstalk present, it's definitely not as intrusive as with Doctor Strange and other movies I have seen.

I'm glad Gravity doesn't have much crosstalk with the Z9D as I own that but haven't tried it yet. I'm hoping The Walk doesn't suffer from a lot of crosstalk either.

[Geoff D]

From my experience with active Sony 3D it's basically the stronger the 3D effect, the worse the crosstalk can be. Edge of Tomorrow was terrible for it.

[bytor]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

From my experience with active Sony 3D it's basically the stronger the 3D effect, the worse the crosstalk can be. Edge of Tomorrow was terrible for it.

Thanks, I'll scratch Edge of Tomorrow off my list of potential buys then as that's one I was considering.

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by bytor

Thanks, I'll scratch Edge of Tomorrow off my list of potential buys then as that's one I was considering.

Edge of Tomorrow has brilliant 3D, especially the aliens.

[Geoff D]

Exactly. Excellent 3D, so lots of crosstalk. The milder the effect the milder the crosstalk.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Exactly. Excellent 3D, so lots of crosstalk. The milder the effect the milder the crosstalk.

Geoff, did you do a separate calibration for 3D and use a different picture mode from 2D SDR when watching?

[Geoff D]

No, I carried across the same white balance etc. When I had a passive 3D Sony TV I did a calibration with my colourimeter through the glasses, but through active shutter specs it's almost impossible. About the only thing I do is turn up the contrast some more to get as much light output as I can and no, this doesn't make the crosstalk worse because it's just as shite wherever the contrast is set. But I better put it on Photo Vivid mode, then it'll magically become crosstalk free!!

[DVD Josh]

Watched Dr. Strange last night and yes crosstalk city. Once I upgrade that title to 4k I doubt I'll ever watch the 3d again on this display.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

No, I carried across the same white balance etc. When I had a passive 3D Sony TV I did a calibration with my colourimeter through the glasses, but through active shutter specs it's almost impossible. About the only thing I do is turn up the contrast some more to get as much light output as I can and no, this doesn't make the crosstalk worse because it's just as shite wherever the contrast is set. But I better put it on Photo Vivid mode, then it'll magically become crosstalk free!!

Lol.

I decided to use a separate mode for 3D so I can freely tinker with the settings without compromising 2D SDR.

My white balance is also the same as 2D SDR but I used S&M test patterns (in 3D mode) to slightly adjust contrast and black level. To my eyes the 3D picture isn't always as sharp as 2D SDR, especially during low lit scenes, so I still need to put the sharpness pattern up and see if I can go a little higher than default 50 for that. If not then perhaps engaging RC on the lowest possible setting might do the trick. I've enabled ACE and set it to low for just a little more pop and perceived brightness (there's way too much color alteration on medium and high IMO, on the lowest setting it seems to be acceptable). I also set LD to High as it does seem to darken the blacks just a tiny bit more when I paused a scene of Gravity and went from low, medium to the highest setting in order to see the difference.

How was that passive Sony 3D TV when it came to crosstalk, was it 4K? I think Sony only made one of those?

QUOTE=DVD Josh;16267393]Watched Dr. Strange last night and yes crosstalk city. Once I upgrade that title to 4k I doubt I'll ever watch the 3d again on this display.[/QUOTE]

The 3D effect itself was great though during certain scenes.

[DVD Josh]

I still have my passive LG 3D TV upstairs that I use from time to time but its no longer my daily driver.

[HDMan72]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

No, I carried across the same white balance etc. When I had a passive 3D Sony TV I did a calibration with my colourimeter through the glasses, but through active shutter specs it's almost impossible. About the only thing I do is turn up the contrast some more to get as much light output as I can and no, this doesn't make the crosstalk worse because it's just as shite wherever the contrast is set. But I better put it on Photo Vivid mode, then it'll magically become crosstalk free!!

And have every processing mode turned on to max setting. I'll admit I tried all those crazy modes and settings posted around but I just can't get past having sharpness set at like 75. Man o man

[BLMN]

Wish Sony would look into that, its definitely a software issue that could be fixed with an update.