Sony introduces high-end ZD9 TV series with HDR

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by DJR662

That last bit is something of a concern to me also - matter of fact, that's an excellent point you make there. In all honesty, it is still unclear to me how exactly the Sony XR cognitive processor should be looked upon. Is it just "regular" picture processing or does it add something "extra" to the picture? AVS forum member D-nice said something along the lines of "it can be disabled", but I have yet to come across anymore information regarding that matter myself.

Like you, I don't care about (unnecessary) additional processing. I like to watch my (physical) media as "clean"/pure as possible without as little "interference" as possible.

I thought I heard somewhere that changing to the Custom picture mode disables the AI upscaling?

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Sony were touting a ‘database’ of comparison images inside their processing engines since before I last sold them, that was in 2014. The Cognitive AI thingy is the same principle but dressed up in 2021 marketing bollox.

It's funny how long they've been doing some of this stuff, like they introduced "Digital Reality Creation" in 1997!

[recS-12]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

It's funny how long they've been doing some of this stuff, like they introduced "Digital Reality Creation" in 1997!

1997 was the year I purchased my first home. 1st major purchase for my my digs? A Sony model KV35V65 if I remember correctly. Gorgeous 35” picture tube! Thing weighed a ton. Took 3 men to pick up a safely move around.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by recS-12

1997 was the year I purchased my first home. 1st major purchase for my my digs? A Sony model KV35V65 if I remember correctly. Gorgeous 35” picture tube! Thing weighed a ton. Took 3 men to pick up a safely move around.

It was probably a 36, not 35. I don't recall Sony having a 35 inch tube in the '90s - it went 27, a "special edition" 29, 32, 36.

[RalphoR]

Originally Posted by recS-12

1997 was the year I purchased my first home. 1st major purchase for my my digs? A Sony model KV35V65 if I remember correctly. Gorgeous 35” picture tube! Thing weighed a ton. Took 3 men to pick up a safely move around.

Was it a WEGA/Trinitron set? I had a 36" one but I can't remember the model number. Something like 950. I had an old Pioneer Elite 55" rear projection set that probably weighed less

[lgans316]

Finally nabbed a calibrated 65ZD9 with 2 years warranty left for £875. This will be my bedroom TV possibly coupled with 7.1.4 soundbar.

77" OLED and separates will be in the living room.

[recS-12]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

It was probably a 36, not 35. I don't recall Sony having a 35 inch tube in the '90s - it went 27, a "special edition" 29, 32, 36.

Originally Posted by RalphoR

Was it a WEGA/Trinitron set? I had a 36" one but I can't remember the model number. Something like 950. I had an old Pioneer Elite 55" rear projection set that probably weighed less

https://www.sony.com/electronics/sup...-35v65/manuals

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by recS-12

https://www.sony.com/electronics/sup...-35v65/manuals

Interesting. They must have been fairly limited in production because their FD Trinitron (Digital) a few years later were 27, 32, 36, and a MONSTER 40 in 4x3.
I bought both the 34XBR910 and its upgrade the 34XBR960 which was probably the finest consumer CRT ever. Blu-rays looked absolutely incredible on it. Damn thing weighed 200 pounds though. But that was outweighed (figuratively) by the picture which was 1400 scan lines (interlaced) horizontally and deeeeeeep blacks. Until I got my Z9D I haven't been totally satisfied by an LCD in comparison.

[recS-12]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Interesting. They must have been fairly limited in production because their FD Trinitron (Digital) a few years later were 27, 32, 36, and a MONSTER 40 in 4x3.
I bought both the 34XBR910 and its upgrade the 34XBR960 which was probably the finest consumer CRT ever. Blu-rays looked absolutely incredible on it. Damn thing weighed 200 pounds though. But that was outweighed (figuratively) by the picture which was 1400 scan lines (interlaced) horizontally and deeeeeeep blacks. Until I got my Z9D I haven't been totally satisfied by an LCD in comparison.

Yes my 35” Sony was my prize possession in my home. I was one of the first people I knew that made the switch to DvD’s and recall many of my visitors’ jaws dropping when I would demo something for them. The upgrade in PQ from VHS to DvD was significant. Good times.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Sony were touting a ‘database’ of comparison images inside their processing engines since before I last sold them, that was in 2014. The Cognitive AI thingy is the same principle but dressed up in 2021 marketing bollox.

I wouldn’t know its true value as I haven’t seen that XR processor in action with lower rez content as displayed on their 2021 8K TVs, but I can tell you that all AI processing is not marketing bollox as this implementation of AI is the real deal - http://curf.clemson.edu/technology/b...r-ai-solution/

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I wouldn’t know its true value as I haven’t seen that XR processor in action with lower rez content as displayed on their 2021 8K TVs, but I can tell you that all AI processing is not marketing bollox as this implementation of AI is the real deal - http://curf.clemson.edu/technology/b...r-ai-solution/

Okay?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Okay?

Believe me, I appreciate your skepticism with regards to the XR processor’s AI implementation. Sometimes I think marketers’ job description is to spout bullox month to month in front of clients/audiences with a straight face (salesman, day to day to their customers); however,

it sure would be shame if an experienced longtime engineer of Inoue’s caliber embellished the processor’s value of emulating human cognition thereby prostituting himself to the company by endorsing it as linked on the river otter thread here - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post19096257

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Believe me, I appreciate your skepticism with regards to the XR processor’s AI implementation. Sometimes I think marketers’ job description is to spout bullox month to month in front of clients/audiences with a straight face (salesman, day to day to their customers); however,

it sure would be shame if an experienced longtime engineer of Inoue’s caliber embellished the processor’s value of emulating human cognition thereby prostituting himself to the company by endorsing it as linked on the river otter thread here - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...s#post19096257

Okay?

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Okay?

Pessimism, Realism, Fatalism?

Some of each, maybe? I know that you know that Sony’s processing is why we are all here in this thread. I bought a used Trinitron console in the 80’s, and it cemented my appreciation for Sony’s engineering!

[Geoff D]

Eh, I just don’t get what all that has to do with the subject at hand, as I didn’t say that all AI is bollox, just the usual marketing spiel.

[LordoftheRings]

My first TV was a Trinitron, with remote control. It was a color TV, 19" in diagonal. I paid $1,000+ back then...with tax and extra warranty. There was no Z, but there might have been a 9 ... a D? ...Perhaps a C. And there was no cognitive Atificiel Intelligence. ...No Doby Vizion.

Times fly by ...

[fancycar]

Does anybody try this on your ZD9?
Does it work???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIef8iRZhLE

[Member-425016]

Anyone have some suggestions for great 3D films to watch on this set?

Star Wars: The Last Jedi is near top of the list for me. The colors and brightness just pop, and the 3D is great throughout. One of the few that might even be better than projection...something I never thought I'd say.

The Hobbit films also look splendid.

[Geoff D]

Last Jedi was unwatchable in 3D on my 65” ZD9. Horrendous crosstalk.

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Last Jedi was unwatchable

Agree.