Dark Force Entertainment Discussion Thread

[WoodyO]

Originally Posted by painiac

just seeing this now, lack of Armoured Angel is disgusting, pose exposed

I hate myself

[WoodyO]

Originally Posted by Dark Force

You must think we're amateurs Damonstein. The DNR procedure that causes wax and when there is a need to remove a great amount of dots all over the film. Luckily that was not the case with God's Bloody Acre. Anyone who owned the previous DVD release knows the big problem was very bad green lines. The DNR process to remove those only targets the lines and not the whole picture so all your precious grain is still there. We heard all the complaints regarding the DNR on THE CARRIER so we knew better. If you look back on the Dark Force Facebook posts we actually show the procedure being done in the lab and how it targets just the green lines. If we didn't get rid of a major amount of them this movie would have been unwatchable

You ever considered having a DNR-off with Oliver Krekel?

[painiac]

Originally Posted by WoodyO

I hate myself

my man

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by WoodyO

You ever considered having a DNR-off with Oliver Krekel?

Nah...The Demon has no chance vs Oliver...I mean Krekel is legendary not just in Germany but all over the home video world. Krekel loves DNR and he’ll curse you 24/7 while preaching about his “best transfers in the whole, wide world” .

[AKNewbie]

I'll wait for reviews at $28 (wrong price point for me).

[The Great Owl]

I just ordered God's Bloody Acre/So Sad About Gloria. Woo hoo!

[Hubunkey]

Hopefully it goes on sale in a few weeks or months

[Blu Titan]

I believe DF should just try to find his own material from now own. Instead of getting stuff from Bill. I do not know if DF was aware of the issues, but he is picking up problematic material (in one way or another ) from Code Red.

[Blu Titan]

Guys, let’s not bring up whatever people from other labels have to say to this thread.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

I believe DF should just try to find his own material from now own. Instead of getting stuff from Bill. I do not know if DF was aware of the issues, but he is picking up problematic material (in one way or another ) from Code Red.

Though you must admit that Code Red Primal Scream master was pretty awesome.

But yes, a lot of Code Red's old DVD-era stuff is ROUGH, so if those same elements are used to make a BD a lot of work is going to need to be done to make it a signficiantly improved over the DVD, while also spending a minimal amount of money since these are not big selling titles (300 only goes so far ). Great example is Code Red's "Dont Look in the Basement" master. Code Red did very little digital cleanup on that one and I bet a lot of people wish he did since the master was in such bad shape; I actually mostly preferred the other release available that is arguably digitally over-processed (using the same source elements Code Red used), simply because the damage is so raw and pervasive in the Code Red release. Unfortunately an unrelated glitch in that other release makes it unwatchable, so for now sticking with Code Red on that one anyway - but it remains a textbook example why a simple scan with little work done on it is not always the most desirable final product; just like using too much DNR can result in something unwatchable, using no digital manipulation can also result in something unwatchable if the elements are in a sorry state.

[Christophah Maghen]

When Bill did his sale of "DVD no one wanted" I got the Cop Killers/The Being double feature dvd as part of that special limited edition set.

The Being was inept unwatchable junk.

Cop Killers on the other hand was a lot of fun with believable characters and dialog. The dialog of the two main characters was highly refreshing as it was annoying, non intelligent, in other words befitting of the characters and subject matter.

It seems like a lot of films with low life scum feature dialog that too closely mirrors the over educated snobbery of the writers, as if the writers pride prevents them from writing a true to life representation.

[Petemo2010]

I hated The Being and really enjoyed Cop Killers as well. I think Bill Osco did The Being cause his old lady directed that garbage. You could tell his heart just wasn't in that movie at all, I thought he was great in Cop Killers though.

[Damonstein]

Originally Posted by Dark Force

You must think we're amateurs Damonstein. The DNR procedure that causes wax and when there is a need to remove a great amount of dots all over the film. Luckily that was not the case with God's Bloody Acre. Anyone who owned the previous DVD release knows the big problem was very bad green lines. The DNR process to remove those only targets the lines and not the whole picture so all your precious grain is still there. We heard all the complaints regarding the DNR on THE CARRIER so we knew better. If you look back on the Dark Force Facebook posts we actually show the procedure being done in the lab and how it targets just the green lines. If we didn't get rid of a major amount of them this movie would have been unwatchable

Everything you have put out before this release was made by code red or had an already existing master. I haven't seen the gods bloody acre release, but the fact the you haven't made many discs by yourself without code reds help, thinking the carrier looks good, and not even realizing the THTV was cut would show that you are literally an ametur at this. Prove us otherwise.

[WoodyO]

Originally Posted by Damonstein

Everything you have put out before this release was made by code red or had an already existing master. I haven't seen the gods bloody acre release, but the fact the you haven't made many discs by yourself without code reds help, thinking the carrier looks good, and not even realizing the THTV was cut would show that you are literally an ametur at this. Prove us otherwise.

What about the time he said VinSyn wishes they did the high quality transfers DF does?

[whedon]

Originally Posted by Dark Force

HAHAHAHA that's a phenomenal idea dissention! If we could make that happen we would be the King of the Cult Labels for sure!

I think that Vinegar Syndrome will remain the king of cult labels for quite some time given the expertise and care they show products. Not a dig at yourself or DF but the quality of the average VS release is vastly superior to the best DF has to offer.

Originally Posted by Dark Force

You must think we're amateurs Damonstein. The DNR procedure that causes wax and when there is a need to remove a great amount of dots all over the film. Luckily that was not the case with God's Bloody Acre. Anyone who owned the previous DVD release knows the big problem was very bad green lines. The DNR process to remove those only targets the lines and not the whole picture so all your precious grain is still there. We heard all the complaints regarding the DNR on THE CARRIER so we knew better. If you look back on the Dark Force Facebook posts we actually show the procedure being done in the lab and how it targets just the green lines. If we didn't get rid of a major amount of them this movie would have been unwatchable

Did you not argue that the Carrier looked amazing?

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by whedon

I think that Vinegar Syndrome will remain the king of cult labels for quite some time given the expertise and care they show products. Not a dig at yourself or DF but the quality of the average VS release is vastly superior to the best DF has to offer.

Vinegar Syndrome, while I subscribe to their yearly package, uses a clever marketing trick to make it appear that they release only top notch video quality product.

While Vinegar Syndrome releases many Blu-rays, around half of their releases are DVD-only. But virtually all of the DVDs they release are sourced from 2K scans, perfectly usable HD masters - but often with lots of damage. Why wouldn't they release those HD masters on the more marketable Blu-ray format when the work is already done in making an HD master? Simple: if they put only the masters sourced from pristine (or very workable) elements on Blu-ray, and shift the HD masters sourced from more damaged elements over to DVD-only, then it will appear to the Blu-ray customer that their output is near flawless. It is very easy to have excellent Blu-ray output by avoiding the Blu-ray format entirely when they are working with a more damaged element.

In reality, what you are arguing for with the Vinegar Syndrome model is to release films with more damaged masters on DVD only and skip Blu-ray entirely. Save Blu-ray for masters which are very workable only, and ship off everything else to DVD. In which case for a film like Gods Bloody Acre, it would just stay on DVD with no Blu-ray release ever. Even though this approach is a sound marketing tactic, I don't think its the best approach - if the effort is done for a 2K scan, even if that 2K scan is highly flawed I'd rather have that effort available on Blu-ray than relegated to DVD only to avoid consumer criticism and build higher quality brand perception on boards such as this.

Did you not argue that the Carrier looked amazing?

It probably does look amazing compared to the element it was taken from, which reportedly looked like a snowstorm due to damage (likely mold) from sitting in a shed, uncared for many years. There was no other element available for the Director's Cut, so with the damage reportedly as bad as it was and the limited budget it probably was handled as best as possible. Considering the Director's Cut is a notably superior cut of the film, I am very happy Code Red released it despite being visually imperfect.

[Damonstein]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Vinegar Syndrome, while I subscribe to their yearly package, uses a clever marketing trick to make it appear that they release only top notch video quality product.

While Vinegar Syndrome releases many Blu-rays, around half of their releases are DVD-only. But virtually all of the DVDs they release are sourced from 2K scans, perfectly usable HD masters - but often with lots of damage. Why wouldn't they release those HD masters on the more marketable Blu-ray format when the work is already done in making an HD master? Simple: if they put only the masters sourced from pristine (or very workable) elements on Blu-ray, and shift the HD masters sourced from more damaged elements over to DVD-only, then it will appear to the Blu-ray customer that their output is near flawless. It is very easy to have excellent Blu-ray output by avoiding the Blu-ray format entirely when they are working with a more damaged element.

In reality, what you are arguing for with the Vinegar Syndrome model is to release films with more damaged masters on DVD only and skip Blu-ray entirely. Save Blu-ray for masters which are very workable only, and ship off everything else to DVD. In which case for a film like Gods Bloody Acre, it would just stay on DVD with no Blu-ray release ever. Even though this approach is a sound marketing tactic, I don't think its the best approach - if the effort is done for a 2K scan, even if that 2K scan is highly flawed I'd rather have that effort available on Blu-ray than relegated to DVD only to avoid consumer criticism and build higher quality brand perception on boards such as this.



It probably does look amazing compared to the element it was taken from, which reportedly looked like a snowstorm due to damage (likely mold) from sitting in a shed, uncared for many years. There was no other element available for the Director's Cut, so with the damage reportedly as bad as it was and the limited budget it probably was handled as best as possible. Considering the Director's Cut is a notably superior cut of the film, I am very happy Code Red released it despite being visually imperfect.

Can you link to these terrible prints VS puts on dvd you keep talking about? They've put tons of pristine negatives on dvd and lots of prints on blu ray. I really can't find a dvd from them that looks bad.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Damonstein

Can you link to these terrible prints VS puts on dvd you keep talking about? They've put tons of pristine negatives on dvd and lots of prints on blu ray. I really can't find a dvd from them that looks bad.

I won't link to them because both NSFW and offtopic, but for example their Storefront Theatre releases have lots of print damage - entire frames filled with green lines etc - even visible in the few screenshots they put on their store website. They do release a lot of good DVDs, but also there are many with a lot of damage, color/contrast issues, or other problems.

[whedon]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Vinegar Syndrome, while I subscribe to their yearly package, uses a clever marketing trick to make it appear that they release only top notch video quality product.

While Vinegar Syndrome releases many Blu-rays, around half of their releases are DVD-only. But virtually all of the DVDs they release are sourced from 2K scans, perfectly usable HD masters - but often with lots of damage. Why wouldn't they release those HD masters on the more marketable Blu-ray format when the work is already done in making an HD master? Simple: if they put only the masters sourced from pristine (or very workable) elements on Blu-ray, and shift the HD masters sourced from more damaged elements over to DVD-only, then it will appear to the Blu-ray customer that their output is near flawless. It is very easy to have excellent Blu-ray output by avoiding the Blu-ray format entirely when they are working with a more damaged element.

In reality, what you are arguing for with the Vinegar Syndrome model is to release films with more damaged masters on DVD only and skip Blu-ray entirely. Save Blu-ray for masters which are very workable only, and ship off everything else to DVD. In which case for a film like Gods Bloody Acre, it would just stay on DVD with no Blu-ray release ever. Even though this approach is a sound marketing tactic, I don't think its the best approach - if the effort is done for a 2K scan, even if that 2K scan is highly flawed I'd rather have that effort available on Blu-ray than relegated to DVD only to avoid consumer criticism and build higher quality brand perception on boards such as this.

Funny how you have so much to say about VS underhanded business practices but fail to give any examples. Any at all you care to share with us?

It's funny how VS have/are going Blu-Ray releases for 20 of these DVD films that you claim are too damaged looking for them to put out on anything other than DVD.

VS are quite upfront about why a film does not come to Blu-ray and outside of hardcore titles I cannot remember a single DVD only release in recent memory.

We all know that you're a DF shill, you've proven time and again that you are biased when it comes to DF. After all, you told all of us how great The Carrier is and now even DF are admitting that it was a flawed release

Originally Posted by Ruined

It probably does look amazing compared to the element it was taken from, which reportedly looked like a snowstorm due to damage (likely mold) from sitting in a shed, uncared for many years. There was no other element available for the Director's Cut, so with the damage reportedly as bad as it was and the limited budget it probably was handled as best as possible. Considering the Director's Cut is a notably superior cut of the film, I am very happy Code Red released it despite being visually imperfect.

Visually imperfect, it was a shit show and anyone who defends that release is not an advocate for film preservation. Never mind the awful visual quality but anyone who overlooks the shameful presentation of the threatrical cut is either financially invovled in the release or a shill.

[splintersan]

Originally Posted by Damonstein

Can you link to these terrible prints VS puts on dvd you keep talking about? They've put tons of pristine negatives on dvd and lots of prints on blu ray. I really can't find a dvd from them that looks bad.

Statements like that are so absurd.
He's obviously out of his mind.
I'm willing to bet he hasn't watched very many.
Lot's of great DVD's from VS.
Looks like some one grasping at straws to defend DF.