Dark Force Entertainment Discussion Thread

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by bsend

Necromancy at $25/unit would move a ton. This $30-40 business because it is "rare" is nonsense.

If a limited amount pressed and the same amount of units will sell once the run is sold out, you'd make much more profit per unit at $35 than $25. Would be a different story if it was not a limited pressing.

Assuming demand w/ limited run its really just a question of making lower profit per unit over a shorter period of time vs higher profit per unit over longer period of time. Necromancy code red is doing the latter, they may feel there is only a market for 1000 copies for example and want to maximize return for the run.

[deltatauhobbit]

People complaining about prices going up... it's as if all retailers don't decrease and increase and decrease and increase the price on items all the time. I wonder what that's called, oh yeah, a temporary sale price . Nothing stays low forever and if it does it's typically for a clearance item they are trying to get rid of and will never sell again.

When SOAWN goes up, would have I have bought a couple of those lower priced titles, sure, am I now with the price going up, no, I'll just wait until they have another temporary sale price on those items like I do with literally EVERY retailer.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by deltatauhobbit

People complaining about prices going up... it's as if all retailers don't decrease and increase and decrease and increase the price on items all the time. I wonder what that's called, oh yeah, a temporary sale price . Nothing stays low forever and if it does it's typically for a clearance item they are trying to get rid of and will never sell again.

When SOAWN goes up, would have I have bought a couple of those lower priced titles, sure, am I now with the price going up, no, I'll just wait until they have another temporary sale price on those items like I do with literally EVERY retailer.

Exactly. DF item prices have always fluctuated with sales and will continue to in the future. Bottom line if you want something on sale don't procrastinate or you might miss the sale, just like any other sale ever.

When SOAWN goes up wouldn't be surprised if sale prices are shuffled again.

[deltatauhobbit]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Exactlym. DF prices have always fluctuated with sales and will continue to in the future. Bottom line if you want something on sale don't procrastinate or you might miss the sale, just like any other sale ever.

It was never an issue when shipping was "free". Since they'll be switching to a shipping cost, I can understand why some would want to build up a list of titles but the timing of all titles is never going to be perfect for any retailer. Kino frequently have great sales on their own site but they don't always include all their titles, you just need to pick up the ones you want when the price is right and wait on the others.

I think the only retailer that literally keeps prices the same and will continue to lower them until stock is gone is Hamilton Books, they're the exception though and not the rule, the rule is usually the Amazons and Best Buys where fluctuation is the only constant. In that case though, sometimes once HB has sold their stock it's not guaranteed to ever have it back which goes back to the clearance aspect instead of a sale price for consistent in-stock items.

[JasonMichael]

Just to clarify, these are the comments Ruined left out of his posts:

Originally Posted by Ruined

There is more Redeemer coming I heard and perhaps some BBNM. I'd be on close lookout when store restocks with SOAWN, as not sure how long it will last

Since Dave didn't tell me exactly how many copies he's putting up.

Originally Posted by Ruined

It's still listed but it's OOS.. for now

But Dave assures me more copies will be put up.

Originally Posted by Ruined

I rarely buy from Diabolik, their prices are very high...

...compared to the free movies I receive from Dark Force.

Originally Posted by Ruined

Exactly. DF item prices have always fluctuated with sales and will continue to in the future. Bottom line if you want something on sale don't procrastinate or you might miss the sale, just like any other sale ever.

When SOAWN goes up wouldn't be surprised if sale prices are shuffled again.

As I told Dave to do at our weekly sales meeting, where he takes all my ingenious advice.

[kraven]

Of course those other retailers let you know it's a sale, and even how long the sale will last. Not make it look like MSRP is_ our price is_, but that doesn't help your argument so definitely leave it out.

[Hedji]

Originally Posted by Ruined

I rarely buy from Diabolik, their prices are very high. Only use for hard to find stuff. Odd you are considering full retail price plus $5 shipping a particularly great deal. Diabolik more expensive across the board than most retailers in general.

(I know I’m going to kick myself for taking your bait, but..) Can you honestly say you’ve never preferred to spend a bit more to support a small and honest business that goes out of their way to get you what you want and treat you well? Is it truly down to price only?

If it is, fine, but in this case, Diabolik was asking almost half of what Dark Force wanted for the two titles I picked up. So even your price argument doesn’t hold water.

[gdaversa19]

Originally Posted by Ruined

I rarely buy from Diabolik, their prices are very high. Only use for hard to find stuff. Odd you are considering full retail price plus $5 shipping a particularly great deal. Diabolik more expensive across the board than most retailers in general.

You pay for the quality and customer service...also supporting small business. Jesse is one of the nicest guys and always makes sure to ship MINT products in protective packaging. I buy Arrow collectors editions only from them because I know it will arrive mint unlike Amazon.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Hedji

(I know I’m going to kick myself for taking your bait, but..) Can you honestly say you’ve never preferred to spend a bit more to support a small and honest business that goes out of their way to get you what you want and treat you well? Is it truly down to price only?

If it is, fine, but in this case, Diabolik was asking almost half of what Dark Force wanted for the two titles I picked up. So even your price argument doesn’t hold water.

You used Diabolik as an example of a place with good pricing, I found it a strange example to use because in most cases Diabolik is significantly more expensive than other retailers. Maybe in these two cases their price was better but vast majority of time they are more expensive than others.

Originally Posted by gdaversa19

You pay for the quality and customer service...also supporting small business. Jesse is one of the nicest guys and always makes sure to ship MINT products in protective packaging. I buy Arrow collectors editions only from them because I know it will arrive mint unlike Amazon.

I buy.a LOT of movies and Diabolik seems often 20-30% more expensive compared to other retailers on most releases. Sometimes I might pay that premium such as for an import in a fragile box, but for general purpose releases no I won't pay the extra money. If it was only a little more expensive (~5%) I would, but the price difference is often much larger - plus can't cancel order, have to wait for order to be complete in stock before anything shipped, etc. It's simply too much extra to spend for the quantity of releases I buy.

Also if Amazon sends me something damaged I return it and they resend it, even multiple times if needed.

[splintersan]

Originally Posted by Hedji

So even your price argument doesn’t hold water.

Ruined's arguments rarely do

[kraven]

Atleast he's consistent!

[indravayu]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Exactly. DF item prices have always fluctuated with sales and will continue to in the future. Bottom line if you want something on sale don't procrastinate or you might miss the sale, just like any other sale ever.

When SOAWN goes up wouldn't be surprised if sale prices are shuffled again.

It's amazing how this disinterested (totally-not-a-shill!) party has such in depth knowledge of Dark Force operations!

The admins don't seem to care, though.

[MTRodaba2468]

Originally Posted by gdaversa19

You pay for the quality and customer service...also supporting small business. Jesse is one of the nicest guys and always makes sure to ship MINT products in protective packaging. I buy Arrow collectors editions only from them because I know it will arrive mint unlike Amazon.

This. I've ordered from Diabolik numerous times, even knowing that I'll likely pay more, just because I know it won't be a headache. All I have to do is think of how I got the Studio Canal 4K disc of Escape From New York with no issues, while the 4K releases for The Fog and They Live (which I had ordered through Amazon UK) were never even put in the box Amazon shipped to me.

[Braktastic]

Please refrain from quoting Ruined in your posts. It ruins my Ignore List.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by indravayu

It's amazing how this disinterested (totally-not-a-shill!) party has such in depth knowledge of Dark Force operations!

The admins don't seem to care, though.

There's this new technology called FACEBOOK where all of this "secret" info is publicly posted, you should check it out to gain some in depth knowledge of your own

[Damonstein]

The dark force facebook posts are too miserable and garish to look at sorry.

[miribeau]

Originally Posted by cakefactory

I get the impression Defalco has him locked up in a closet somewhere while he picks the apartment/storage units for everything Bill’s worth, only letting him out drugged for the occasional live stream.

If Bill's health continues to require him to stay in LA, it is possible that, at some point, he'll ask DD to go up with a moving van and just bring all his inventory down here, so he can resume business as usual. But, to be clear, no on what you said. DD doesn't have access to the bulk of Bill's inventory, in Washington, because, he too is in Los Angeles.

Originally Posted by rdodolak

We should request a wellness check just to make sure Bill is still OK.

If anything happens that the people who care would wish to know, and I'm sure I'm not the only one on here who does, DD will surely tell us whatever details Bill is comfortable sharing.

Originally Posted by kraven

I'm conflicted on this....
I think $25 is a far price, but when I add $5, I'm not gonna be in any kind of rush. I think if it's $20 I gotta support the effort and pull the trigger. What does everyone except ruined think?

See below. I think the real, unfiltered, non-twitter-complainer versions of people's opinions have been posted....

Originally Posted by bsend

Is the new Dark Force shipping policy $5 or free with purchases over $40.

Originally Posted by Ruined

Yup, $5 flat under $40, free over $40.

...And there are several more like that. $5 shipping would suck, were it not for the lowering of prices (although not all prices, but I saw several drop last week, with the new shipping cost going in, before the store went down again) and were it not for the free shipping once you hit $40. Also, side note, many of the prices people have said went up, with the new shipping charge, were on sale at the lower price and have returned to the exact price or just under the price they were before the sale. Spontaneous Combustion and Mutant were both in that category.

Originally Posted by gdaversa19

Thanks, couldn't find it under blu ray!

This is the one thing I really want to see DF fix on the site. No "New Products" category. Just a Blu-ray section and a DVD section and the Merchandise section, all with the option to filter A-Z, Low-High or Release Date. That would make it easier to shop.

Originally Posted by Damonstein

The dark force facebook posts are too miserable and garish to look at sorry.

David is who he is and his personality is wonderfully unique, like Bill's. You might find, at some point in your life, that the endless numbers of people who seem to go out of their way to develop and emulate the exact same personality and ideas as everyone else, in their sphere, begin to annoy you.

That was my primary reason for deciding I hated Southern California. Give me someone different, annoying or not, curmudgeonly or not, using words I don't approve of, expressing ideas with which I do not agree.... Almost anything is better than another virtue-signaling, twenty-something Cylon.

I have no right to say it and you don't have to listen, but, I suggest you give DD some time to grow on you. His live feeds contain a lot of new information and he often conducts interviews in them, which are worth watching, if you are a fan of the interviewee. Maybe watch one of his live feeds right after having dinner in a restaurant where all the tables around you are filled with teens and twenties talking about how much they hate white men and which of the people they know might be "questioning", for a freaking hour.

As my best gay friend says, "Nothing is worse than the Cylons in the Denny's at midnight." At least DD has had an interesting life, multiple careers, and doesn't sound just like every other person you hear, everywhere you go.

[Davidian]

You know Dave, you don't have to take your whole storefront down just to add one item.

[dawnofthediscs]

Originally Posted by Davidian

You know Dave, you don't have to take your whole storefront down just to add one item.

Very true. Likely another cheap tactic to build some sort of anticipation. Yawn.

[miribeau]

Originally Posted by dawnofthediscs

Very true. Likely another cheap tactic to build some sort of anticipation. Yawn.

Or he needs time to keep up with the shipping, so he doesn't fall behind. The order numbers are sequential, starting from one, and each time I've ordered from him my number has been hundreds over the last order number. That is quite a lot of packing and mailing. I would change the sign from stating that the site is down for maintenance to something like, "We'll return, when our last batch of orders has shipped."