Dark Force Entertainment Discussion Thread

[frakking toaster]

Just posted by Dark Force

"STATE OF CHAOS!:
The first batch of SCREAMS OF A WINTER NIGHTS sold out in 30 minutes! BANANA MAN is hospitalized again after controversial bathroom incident! The Superstore checkout was overloaded and subsequently short circuited! Cult video fans are in a total frenzy!
It's a STATE OF CHAOS so we figured lets bring back CHAOS with SCREAMS OF A WINTER NIGHT for one great bundle deal!! STAY TUNED for more details:
Darkforcedvd.com"

So it seems like they're forcing you to buy that turd Chaos if you want SOAWN now.

[tek8080]

I really hope not. I already own Chaos. What I need is a bundle with Steel Arena. Or you know, like no more games at all would be nice too.

[indravayu]

Well, this SOAWN fiasco seems to have really turned people against DF - their Facebook posts's comments are now almost exclusively trolls and sick burns (whereas, up until recently, they have been dominated by Mirifaux/Ruined-style fanboi posts).

[miribeau]

Originally Posted by kraven

If they're morons who don't know how to undo the two screws on each side.

They are not supposed to do that, move the toilet at all, when there is a potential spinal injury. Actually, with cases like this, a bathroom fall, people often end up with some part stuck somewhere. After they carefully, very carefully, assess for spinal damage, they are meant to maneuver the person very carefully, to free them. Removing screws on a tightly mounted toilet will move the toilet and that can be the difference between low grade spinal damage and paralysis, just in case any of you ever find a relative in that condition.

Originally Posted by Yuchira

Eh, I don't know. Wasn't Bill found by his brother recently after he fell? I knew someone else who in the last year or 2 of his life was prone to these types of incidents. The situation hits too close to home for me to just toss it off like that. Not saying it did or didn't happen, but I don't have a reason to dismiss it at this point.

With CHF, episodes of syncope are common. Sudden drops in blood pressure are common. General dizziness is common. With the blood thinners given patients with significant cardiac output decrease, hemorrhagic stroke is common. There is no way for us to know exactly what happened, until or unless Bill decides we should. What matters is that he is in jeopardy. Whether you are a positive thoughts person or a prayer person, like me, I think most of us are feeling for him and hoping for him. What matters is that he get proper care to aid in his recovery.

Originally Posted by noirjunkie

I don't think anyone's disputing Bill's health is bad. It's the "head stuck next to a toilet for five hours" part that has people skeptical, not to mention the "paramedics paralyzed his hand by yanking hard" claim, which if true would indicate that Bill was rescued by the world's most incompetent EMTs.

Again, DD is a wrestler. This is just their way. Put it through the translator and you get that Bill was alone, in the bathroom, having fallen and having sustained injury such that he couldn't get himself out or help himself, for five long hours, and he has suffered some paralysis.

I know people hate it when I speak from personal experience, but, I can't be alone in having had the experience that, on a terrible day, when something unimaginably bad has happened, a film, that only Bill Olsen would put in the time and effort to distribute, was the only thing that could distract me or make me feel any less horrible. Great companies don't just put out a product, they make life better on really horrible days. Bill (and Walt) have done this for years and years. Just because DD gives the information in his own way doesn't diminish the severity. If you pray, pray for Bill. If not, just remember all he has done that you appreciate.

[noirjunkie]

Just give it a rest, miribeau, okay?

[Christophah Maghen]

Originally Posted by noirjunkie

Just give it a rest, miribeau, okay?

I could of sworn you were Mirabeaus white night on these forums?

Decided to follow the herd?

[whedon]

Yet again, another defence of df awful marketing with "but he's a wrestler". I know I have asked this in the past but if defalco is a wrestler then why is there no information out there about it beyond him saying it is so. The level that people will sink to defend df is ridiculous, and please satan don't bother with one your poorly written pieces of fantasy miribeau. I don't care if your uncles famously told defalco that you were amazing or about how you speak in tiny churches about completely made up nonsense. You are like that wannabe bully everyone knew when they were 10, the one that always had to one-up everyone else, when someone says"did you hear that John went away for the weekend" you butt in with "my dad knows James Cameron and he took me on the Titanic". Not even a child would believe a tenth of the utter shite you come out with.

df comical ineptness is reaching whole new levels over the past few days, it's getting to the point where it's obvious that defalco is panicking. Clearly very little stock beyond the shilled to hell releases are shifting, why else threaten that every purchase of SOAWN night will have the truly inept Chaos as part of the deal. Their tiered release pricing was a travesty, the fact that the store is only 2 days a week and the fact that they think that selling 225 copies of a release makes it a hit. If Bill's health continues to deteriorate and someone with his genuine best interests steps in then defalco is screwed as from everything he has posted here and on facebook and it's clear that the df Code Read deal is about taking advantage of a desperate man.

[mja345]

Originally Posted by Christophah Maghen

I could of sworn you were Mirabeaus white night on these forums?

Decided to follow the herd?

Whoa, Maghen, let's not bring Gregory Hines and Mikhail Baryshnikov into this.

[miribeau]

Originally Posted by Christophah Maghen

I could of sworn you were Mirabeaus white night on these forums?....

I thought that was you.

Originally Posted by whedon

Yet again, another defence of df awful marketing with "but he's a wrestler". I know I have asked this in the past but if defalco is a wrestler then why is there no information out there about it beyond him saying it is so. .... Not even a child would believe a tenth of the utter shite you come out with....
df comical ineptness is reaching whole new levels over the past few days, it's getting to the point where it's obvious that defalco is panicking. Clearly very little stock beyond the shilled to hell releases are shifting, why else threaten that every purchase of SOAWN night will have the truly inept Chaos as part of the deal. .... it's clear that the df Code Read deal is about taking advantage of a desperate man.

Aside from your bizarrely emotional and personal attacks on me, which I forgive, the critique of DD is a mystery to me. DD's wrestling background is part of who he is. After watching a boy seriously injured in a high school wrestling match many, many years ago, I was never able to enjoy the WWF and so on, because people get hurt there, but I don't hate them for being into that or fail to remember how wrestling advertising was, over the years. It is part of their culture to film hospital stays, just part of how they are. I'm not sure why some have so much trouble just accepting that this is who the man is. As to his official background, it is the same as anyone else's. The information is there for any who don't know him personally to take or leave. A man can't be held to account to prove himself to any passing stranger, in person or online.

As to Chaos, DD has not threatened to include a copy of any film with stand alone purchases of SoaWN. He offered to bundle a film he owns, and can discount at will, with SoaWN, for a discounted deal, with some copies of SoaWN, while Bill is ill and not in a position to negotiate which of his films can be bundled and how many copies can be sold, of each of the two films in that bundle, with that dual discounted price. Previously, Bill and David negotiated a bundle deal on DF's MMII with CR's SB and then they negotiated for DF to sell a CR bundle of SB and SA together and then to sell Shakma with SoaWN. All of this required Bill to sign off on pricing, as part of purchasing deals, of a quantity of films by DF from CR. Viewing DD's offering of a bundle as a threat to customers is as ridiculous as making me some scapegoat to pick on whenever you feel like it. He made an offer. You don't have to buy the bundle. The stand alone will be available for purchase at the same time, if you want one, no forced copy of Chaos included.

As to Bill, he is not a child. Both Olsen's have a long history of managing their businesses and, regardless of how some may feel about decisions made over the years, replacement discs or no, availability of titles and scarcity, they are intelligent and capable men who know how to get releases made and distributed, different from each other but still capable in their own ways. What matters right now is Bill's health and, hopefully, he is in good and kind hands getting the best care possible in a terrible situation.

[miribeau]

Originally Posted by mja345

Whoa, Maghen, let's not bring Gregory Hines and Mikhail Baryshnikov into this.

Now see, someone mentions that and Isabella Rossellini's in my mind. Now I've got Green Porno on the brain. God love that woman.

[whedon]

Wow I just opened Facebook to see that the latest live feed features a clearly out of breath defalco hanging around some hospital in L.A. trying to drum up sales of his piece of shit release. If Bill really is in hospital then someone needs to slap defalco and tell him grow up, using someones declining health to make a buck is the worst kind of cheap stunt.

If you really want to see just what a second rate label df is then look no further than the fact that they celebrated 225 sales as some landmark. They make it out to be huge and then you just take a look at say VS who routinely sell out of 3000 copies of a release in a couple of hours. So df sells 7.5% of what Moseleum sold and calling it a big deal, to me it looks like a second rate label who can't afford to press any more than 300 copies so they sell 225 and then scalp the rest on ebay.

[miribeau]

Originally Posted by whedon

Wow I just opened Facebook to see that the latest live feed features a clearly out of breath defalco hanging around some hospital in L.A. trying to drum up sales of his piece of shit release. If Bill really is in hospital then someone needs to slap defalco and tell him grow up, using someones declining health to make a buck is the worst kind of cheap stunt.

If you really want to see just what a second rate label df is then look no further than the fact that they celebrated 225 sales as some landmark. They make it out to be huge and then you just take a look at say VS who routinely sell out of 3000 copies of a release in a couple of hours. So df sells 7.5% of what Moseleum sold and calling it a big deal, to me it looks like a second rate label who can't afford to press any more than 300 copies so they sell 225 and then scalp the rest on ebay.

I get it. Because DF isn't where VS is, after VS has spent years building their business, improving their marketing and product, gathering a fan base including yours truly, you think it is a loser company. Going with the Lajoie reference from earlier, the man who sang "Started as a Baby", you seem to think, if a baby can't talk, it is a loser, and fail to see how wonderful it is for something new to get started and grow up.

DF is a new company. It's actually doing really well, for being a new company. Selling 225 copies of a film, even a film you're distributing but did not officially release, is a huge achievement for a young company, early on, but, since it is young and hasn't learned all the lessons and become the perfect, future version, as of yet, you think it sucks.

I get it. I just don't agree. Like the child learning to walk and talk, I am really happy to see young labels get up and running.

I do wonder though, what is DD carrying in that video. You can hear it but you can't see it. Possibly a hollow Banana Man, waiting to be filled. Possibly, a winter coat.

[miribeau]

DD updated on his page. Looks like he was there a while with Bill and Bill is having difficulty. DD will update tomorrow and possibly post an interview with Bill. He did confirm that he will be bundling SoaWN with more than one other film, in several bundle options, for those who were upset about Chaos and also confirmed that he is still busy shipping orders.

"Dark Force Entertainment
14 mins ·
DARK FORCE UPDATE:
We were able to get an exclusive interview with Banana Man in the hospital but we regret to say his condition is worse than we thought. We will have that interview and more on his condition tomorrow.
We are bringing in more Screams Of A Winter Night and will have it available with SEVERAL package deals including one with STEEL ARENA. There is no need for alarm. The Store will be back open by tomorrow.
Although our shipping department is not accustomed to this type of load we are doing our best to ship out all orders as quickly as possible.
Darkforcedvd.com"

Here's wishing Bill a smooth recovery and a peaceful mind while he recuperates.

[omenboy]

I posted this in the Code Red thread and it bears repeating here as well for anyone who is still interested in getting a copy of SOAWN:

Dark Force just posted on Facebook that more Screams of A Winter Night will be available tomorrow (as part of a bundle and by itself) and that the store will open early at a reasonable hour* to allow fans a good crack at getting it.

*how early and how many will be available were not mentioned, so we will see.

[slasherdisc]

Would be nice to see Screams bundled with Forced Entry

[Member-222782]

A SOAWN/Forced Entry bundle would be perfect. Can't imagine a bundle with something else, something newer.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

A SOAWN/Forced Entry bundle would be perfect. Can't imagine a bundle with something else, something newer.

Would be nice but I don't believe forced entry is ready to go yet.

[mca213]

Originally Posted by slasherdisc

Would be nice to see Screams bundled with Forced Entry

Never. They want to move old stock of movies that don't sell like Shakma.

Expect it to be bundled with crap you dont want.

[bsend]

I hope the bundle with Shakma goes back up again. Love that little guy.

[mparisi]

Originally Posted by bsend

I hope the bundle with Shakma goes back up again. Love that little guy.

In all honesty I think Shakma is much more fun than Screams...