Dark Force Entertainment Discussion Thread

[Jope]

Originally Posted by Cinema84

A blacklist. So McCarthy. lol. Wait, did I commit "an offense"? It's a good thing Cinema84 isn't my real name

sure it isn't, mr. 84. i see right through you.

[Jope]

Originally Posted by dawnofthediscs

Looks like Demon stole art for the back cover of GOH/PFT Double Feature from someone and didn’t credit them or pay them for the image.

“Interesting. You stole a picture off of the internet taken by Ryan Moore who just happens to be an officer with the Hattiesburg, MS Police Department.”


Here’s the image that include credit for the photograph
https://www.gulflive.com/mississippi...outputType=amp

i emailed officer moore about this. he's already responded and said he'll be reaching out to DF.

[Thomas Irwin]

Originally Posted by cloudnine

Do you think you'd ever get a word in during a live conversation? If she types too much, she probably talks too much.

Joe Jones - You talk too much - YouTube

[Thomas Irwin]

Originally Posted by Jope

i emailed officer moore about this. he's already responded and said he'll be reaching out to DF.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by whedon

The whole new rules thing doesn't really make a whole lot of sense as if someone wants something from df and their name is on the list then all they need to do is stick their significant other's name on it or a friend. It's the kind of thing that you can get around in 5 seconds.

If you attempt to artificially circumvent THE LIST you will be backtraced by the cyberpolice and sentenced to hard labor watching NIGHT OF THE DRIBBLER on nonstop loop in the Dark Force Penitentiary.

[WinterBox]

Originally Posted by miribeau

I only have one account, for business, and I would never advertise for one business on another's advertising page. That's just rude.

First off. Who care's if you have only one account(for business) The fact it's legit will prove you didn't make a fake account to avoid getting a no sale.

Second...

Oh, I see. You would never advertise for one business on another advertising page AND it's rude. So you're essentially admitting it's not a good thing to do. Yet you claim DF is 100% joking when they said, they will not sell to people doing the exact same thing you said is inappropriate on their Facebook page.

[Jope]

Originally Posted by WinterBox

First off. Who care's if you have only one account(for business) The fact it's legit will prove you didn't make a fake account to avoid getting a no sale.

Second...

Oh, I see. You would never advertise for one business on another advertising page AND it's rude. So you're essentially admitting it's not a good thing to do. Yet you claim DF is 100% joking when they said, they will not sell to people doing the exact same thing you said is inappropriate on their Facebook page.

[miribeau]

Before anything else, as to the photo....

[Show spoiler]
I think it is good that the guy who licensed it for publication as an AP photo is reaching out to Dark Force, to see if he can get paid again, as money is a great thing. However, it was licensed out for mass publication in 2010 and is a photo of a burning historic site, the building equivalent of a dead celebrity. You may not remember but photos of that type are, once published, in the public domain, due to the subject matter and how impossible it is to claim unique authorship on a photograph that is substantively identical to 100 other photographs taken at the same moment by everyone standing around Heath Ledger's apartment building.

Beyond that issue, news photos are often put up on photo search sites, where license no longer applies, because those photos have been licensed by the AP and they have chosen to put them up, such that they are now covered by fair use. It is entirely possible that this photographer truly didn't license the photo out and it should never have been on a search in a free-image database, in which case he was wronged by whoever put it up. It is also entirely possible that he accidentally signed away his rights when he licensed the photo out to the Associated Press, allowing them to do whatever they wanted with it.

Time will tell and I don't know why people are freaking out over this. I can't tell you how many "free" photos, in the public archives, have turned out to be held under private license, just in the last few years, due to anything from mistakenly signing away rights to a mistake on the part of the temporary or single-use license holder resulting in publication on a free database. Chances are, if he did not license the photo out, a simple compensation can be agreed upon, most particularly if the photo is floating around a free database. To my knowledge, David has not made a statement as to exactly where the photo was found. If it was in a free database, then it was free and unlicensed and, chances are, he'll do the gentlemanly thing and offer the guy a grand, even though it was in the public domain.

Originally Posted by whedon

It appears that the df store is a local shop for local people only. It's funny how posting links to other retailers for "out of print" items is such a huge issue that df will in effect ban you from purchasing from them....

The whole new rules thing doesn't really make a whole lot of sense as if someone wants something from df and their name is on the list then all they need to do is stick their significant other's name on it or a friend. It's the kind of thing that you can get around in 5 seconds.

It's funny how you take a gimmick like this seriously, writing about it as though you believe it is actually happening, but then explain, rather clearly, how most people were able to figure out and why most people know it is not happening. No one at Dark Force is going to make it their mission in life to track down everyone a person knows, to somehow prevent that person from ordering a film via the store, let alone multiply that process out by a few dozen people, but, still, you believe that there is a list. I have a bridge I'd like to sell you and I just know you'll love it. It's a steal.

Originally Posted by WinterBox

First off. Who care's if you have only one account(for business) The fact it's legit will prove you didn't make a fake account to avoid getting a no sale.

Second...

Oh, I see. You would never advertise for one business on another advertising page AND it's rude. So you're essentially admitting it's not a good thing to do. Yet you claim DF is 100% joking when they said, they will not sell to people doing the exact same thing you said is inappropriate on their Facebook page.

You young people are so cute, with all that spit and drive, thinking you have to prove everything to everyone. I have no need to prove a business Facebook account is legitimate nor do I have to prove there isn't a made-up list.
As to your oddball assertion that the fact of it being rude to advertise on one page for another vendor somehow proves the existence of "The List", disproving that it is a joke (of the kind Chris Jericho used to ham up, like nobody I have ever seen, hence my adoration of that guy), that's a leap and a half. I don't even know how you got there.

Is it disrespectful to post one vendor's link on another vendor's page? Of course, and actually to both vendors, as it makes the posted-vendor look classless, when, in reality, they didn't ask to have their advertising posted on another vendor's page and would never have done that themselves. In this case, it is especially disrespectful, as Ronin is a good company run by good people who wouldn't behave in such a childish way but are being made complicit in misdeeds they would never have approved of, given the choice.

But, beyond that, does it make sense that a company would use theatrical tactics to get a message across, such as, for instance, stop disrespecting both of our companies by posting advertising for their company on my page? Also, of course. The Dark Force List is a clear joke, and a very amusing one, being played to the hilt and taken up like catnip by the gullible and easily offended, which only makes it funnier. The message, on the other hand, behind the theatrical stunt, is very real and very simple. They're saying stop. The message does, at least, seem to be sinking in.

I'm just surprised Ronin hasn't chimed in to say it is low-class to post their links on another vendor's page, given that they have not asked anyone to make them look like they are advertising on another vendor's page. A written link is one thing but some people actually posted Ronin Flix's logo, making it look like they would do such a low thing when they never would. That's what bothers me in this, that any fan would do anything to make Ronin look bad. Ronin, Dark Force, Screen Archives, Hamilton and Diabolik all provide us with such a valuable service, getting Bill's films from a warehouse to our house, and anything that makes any of them look like they have no respect for each other is, plainly, disrespectful to them as a service provider. Cue the Ronin-haters to say "yes they would, yes they would, they totally would post their links on other vendors' pages". But really, they wouldn't.

[Zarak]

Originally Posted by miribeau

Before anything else, as to the photo....

photos of that type are, once published, in the public domain, due to blah blah blah

Beyond that issue, news photos are often put up on photo search sites, where license no longer applies, because those photos have been licensed by the AP and they have chosen to put them up, such that they are now covered by fair use blah blah

All this is 100% wrong.

[miribeau]

Originally Posted by Zarak

All this is 100% wrong.

You've modified my quote. I'm pretty sure that makes you 100% wrong. As to your assertion that the AP doesn't have the choice to put a photo they have fully licensed into their archive or into the public domain, as the agency decides, you'd have to go back and study license. I knew an author who signed a publication contract that took away their ability to stop sale to a film studio. My contracts specify that I have full power to sell or not, maintaining full rights. Licenses are not all structured identically and the AP, and individual press outlets, if licensing a photo fully, where they now own it outright, will often decide to place a photo in the public domain and will often decide not to, as they choose. This is, again, basic contract law. Once you own it, the choice is yours.

[diverdave]

Originally Posted by Ruined

If you attempt to artificially circumvent THE LIST you will be backtraced by the cyberpolice and sentenced to hard labor watching NIGHT OF THE DRIBBLER on nonstop loop in the Dark Force Penitentiary.

Of course you mean the Dark Force SuperPenitentiary.

[Zarak]

Originally Posted by miribeau

You've modified my quote blah blah blah

Again, this is 100% wrong. I've worked with copyright, trademarks, and licensing IP for over 20 years. Go here to (pay to) license photos from AP's "collection of more than 35 million historical and contemporary images." They don't put their images into the public domain. The other stuff you were talking about is completely unrelated to image copyrights.

[DaveyJoe]

Zarak is correct.

[wicky_J]

There are also specific copyrights around buildings, both interior and exterior, that could apply in this case. This totally not sketchy website has some further information:

https://www.justia.com/intellectual-...-architecture/

[gbm82]

Originally Posted by wicky_J

. This totally not sketchy website

*van pulls up
"hey kids, want some candy?"

[wicky_J]

Originally Posted by gbm82

*van pulls up
"hey kids, want some candy?"

You got any Kit-Kat bars ?

[Blu Titan]

What is this list everyone is talking about and what can I do to avoid it?

[Christophah Maghen]

Originally Posted by Zarak

Again, this is 100% wrong. I've worked with copyright, trademarks, and licensing IP for over 20 years. Go here to (pay to) license photos from AP's "collection of more than 35 million historical and contemporary images." They don't put their images into the public domain. The other stuff you were talking about is completely unrelated to image copyrights.

Patent , copyright IP attorney?

[jebhdb]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

What is this list everyone is talking about and what can I do to avoid it?

Why would you want to avoid it? It should be considered an honor to be on the list.

[Puffy]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

What is this list everyone is talking about and what can I do to avoid it?

List of people banned from ordering The Dead Pit and Gates of Hell/Psycho from Texas double feature due to posting links to other companies on DF Facebook page.