Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's not ALL bullshit though Ernest, because the trailer confirmed a fair few bits of previously leaked info. I know you can't get your head around it but Luke (possibly) becoming one of the most powerful force users ever renders the events of the previous films moot in a way, it's about Luke having so much power that he can feel himself becoming detached from simple matters of right and wrong, and so he isolates himself in order to come to terms with his God-like abilities.

I didn't say all of it -- but we don't even know if that story about Luke is accurate. At one point, these sites were claiming Luke turned evil and killed Han Solo, and that the movie opens with a floating hand in space, and the title was The Ancient Fear, and lots of lots of other things.

The plot details are going to leak, especially when merchandise vendors start getting their hands on things like the novelization, coloring books, young adult books, soundtrack listings, etc. So, again, I'm just taking things at this point with a grain of salt, and don't believe for a second that Luke is evil or even insane with isolation. Now I'd buy that he doesn't want the Jedi involved in the continuing struggle, taking a more zen approach, and has to be convinced to re-engage. But crazy and unstable or dangerously evil...not feeling it yet.

[Falaskan]

I'm now starting to imagine Luke as the Dark Phoenix based on some of these reports. I wonder if the movie will end like the movie Lucy did! LOL

[EvaDK]

I think Luke has been preparing in secret to counter what he sensed (via the Force and its apparently changing nature) was coming, hence him living somewhere remote where he could pass on knowledge to a few selected Force sensitive characters siding with the Republic in secrecy.

While his motives might seem ambiguous to start with, everything will probably be clear when the Sith/Inquisitors make their first move. For all we know, his lightsaber floating around, could be part of a plan to draw out Serkis' character into the open.

But yeah, we'll probably hear some batshit insane rumors down the road. One source I know of have been pretty much spot on (or at least not wrong) so far, judging from the teaser, leaked artwork etc.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's not ALL bullshit though Ernest, because the trailer confirmed a fair few bits of previously leaked info. I know you can't get your head around it but Luke (possibly) becoming one of the most powerful force users ever renders the events of the previous films moot in a way, it's about Luke having so much power that he can feel himself becoming detached from simple matters of right and wrong, and so he isolates himself in order to come to terms with his God-like abilities.

All these rumored months before the trailer:

1. John Boyega as a stormtrooper (further details say that he crashes on a desert planet and changes sides)
2. BB-8 design artwork
3. Stormtrooper design images
4. Crossguard saber image and description
5. Millennium Falcon with a square satellite dish
6. Aerial battle on a desert planet

Some (if not all) of these are reportedly from the same source that also leaks about Luke's in hiding, with the Force ability too powerful that he can lift mountains. So the leaks are pretty good, though still not necessarily all of them as of now are true, except what's in the trailer. This misinformation campaign may be going on, but not all of them.

Also that The Ancient Fear title might be true at one point, things changes especially when they realized it has been leaked. Same with the trailer, maybe it really was their plan to attach to The Hobbit. Even the so-called trailer exclusive to the 50 theaters was meaningless when they later announced the online release.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I predict that Luke doesn't have any Dark Side issues. What in the world could cause that after passing that test in Jedi?

The Dark Side - or some equally dire permutation of it - could literally be in his blood.

I don't expect JJ et al to play the midichlorian card but it's there for the playing.

I've floated this before but let's say the force is actually (or becomes) some sort of sentient entity. Luke would be a perfect gateway/manifestation/possessee into the physical world.

I cringe at the thought of them going down some 'the force has had enough of our petty bickering and wants to just make a clean sweep' road but there's a lot of precedent for that kind of story in flood myths and science fiction.

[madlost1]

Extra caught up with Mark Hamill to briefly discuss his role and excitement for Star Wars: The Force Awakens and the actor shared his amazement at being on the Millennium Falcon again.

Mark Hamill on being on the Millennium Falcon again:
...."Can I say this? Is this out? Yeah, the déjà vu of walking onto the Millennium Falcon again and remembering all these details that they've got exactly right from old photographs and old blueprints...I can't describe the feeling. Even now it seems surreal to me. It seems hard to believe that it's actually happening. "

Hamill on George Lucas:
"Seeing [George Lucas] this happy, he's almost unrecognizable. Because when I was with him [on the original trilogy], he was fretting over all the details, so he didn't have time to enjoy himself. To seem him in such a good place, it's thrilling."

Mark Hamill on 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens,' and Being Back on the Millenium Falcon - YouTube

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit...news/?a=113807

[Richard Graham]

So much for the "George is done with Star Wars because everyone hates him" jazz.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by aiman04

All these rumored months before the trailer:

1. John Boyega as a stormtrooper (further details say that he crashes on a desert planet and changes sides)
2. BB-8 design artwork
3. Stormtrooper design images
4. Crossguard saber image and description
5. Millennium Falcon with a square satellite dish
6. Aerial battle on a desert planet

Also that The Ancient Fear title might be true at one point, things changes especially when they realized it has been leaked. Same with the trailer, maybe it really was their plan to attach to The Hobbit. Even the so-called trailer exclusive to the 50 theaters was meaningless when they later announced the online release.

I wish there was a "skeptical" emoticon, because the eye-rolling one is insulting and vulgar, the winky one non-applicable. I don't trust Harold J. Knowles any farther than I could throw him, he's lied so many times on so many things...how many times does he have to report a false rumour before you realize he's being played, is a moron, or is lying to you? Andy Serkis told Entertainment Weekly that The Ancient Fear was NEVER referenced as a title of SW7 during production...it was just Star Wars 7!

And if Abrams dribbled out some concept art mixed in with the fake stuff, how would you or anyone else know what was real and was not? The only "plot" spoiler confirmed so far is that Finn is a Stormtrooper on the run. That's it. That movie is not starting with a severed hand tumbling in space, Luke does not kill Han Solo, nor does Luke turn to the Dark Side. Not happening. This film has to send audiences out cheering -- happy and eager to buy t-shirts, books, video games, theme park tickets, soundtracks, collectible junk, taco bell mugs, and most importantly, more movie tickets... it is the cornerstone upon which rests the future of the entire SW franchise. NO...WAY... are they going to turn a branded character like Luke SKywalker (TM) evil or into a vessel of evil and piss off half of the planet. NOT HAPPENING. Defies all common business sense.

[Megalith]

Why not, as long as he redeems himself. The most compelling characters are evil ones who become good. Although, Luke going through that would be much less interesting because he was already a goodie.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Megalith

Why not, as long as he redeems himself. The most compelling characters are evil ones who become good. Although, Luke going through that would be much less interesting because he was already a goodie.

EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
VADER
Join me!

LUKE
No!
(throws himself into a deep chasm)

---

RETURN OF THE JEDI
EMPEROR
Join me! Take your place at my side!

LUKE
Never. I am a Jedi, like my father before me.
(throws down his sword, turns over fate to the Force)

---

THE FORCE AWAKENS
LUKE
I have faced this battle many times but...whu...what's happening...oh, no! My blood! MY BLOOD! My...YEEEARRRGH!....I AM SO POWERFUL I HAVE LOST ALL MORALITY! I DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS GOOD OR EVIL! (pants...pants) Ha...Mwah ha ha....MWAH HA HA HA HAAAAA! THE POWER OF THE DARK SIDE! HAH HA AHAHAHAHAHHA!! THE DARK SIDE! THE DARK SIDE!!!!


Not going to happen. I don't care what EU book you read or EU comic book...not going to happen. I'm actually going to tell my ipad to set a reminder for me to come back here and refresh this post next December.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I wish there was a "skeptical" emoticon, because the eye-rolling one is insulting and vulgar, the winky one non-applicable. I don't trust Harold J. Knowles any farther than I could throw him, he's lied so many times on so many things...how many times does he have to report a false rumour before you realize he's being played, is a moron, or is lying to you? Andy Serkis told Entertainment Weekly that The Ancient Fear was NEVER referenced as a title of SW7 during production...it was just Star Wars 7!

And if Abrams dribbled out some concept art mixed in with the fake stuff, how would you or anyone else know what was real and was not? The only "plot" spoiler confirmed so far is that Finn is a Stormtrooper on the run. That's it. That movie is not starting with a severed hand tumbling in space, Luke does not kill Han Solo, nor does Luke turn to the Dark Side. Not happening. This film has to send audiences out cheering -- happy and eager to buy t-shirts, books, video games, theme park tickets, soundtracks, collectible junk, taco bell mugs, and most importantly, more movie tickets... it is the cornerstone upon which rests the future of the entire SW franchise. NO...WAY... are they going to turn a branded character like Luke SKywalker (TM) evil or into a vessel of evil and piss off half of the planet. NOT HAPPENING. Defies all common business sense.

I don't care about what Harry Knowles has to say. I was just saying, that the point is we don't know what's true or wrong. How do you know for sure? When you say not happening, it's like you know for sure, I would expect everyone to say I don't know at this time. So may I ask what is your source?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I'm actually going to tell my ipad to set a reminder for me to come back here and refresh this post next December.

You can set an ipad to autodouche?

Damn, there really is an app for everything, isn't there

[Gamma_Winstead]

Originally Posted by aiman04

I don't care about what Harry Knowles has to say. I was just saying, that the point is we don't know what's true or wrong. How do you know for sure? When you say not happening, it's like you know for sure, I would expect everyone to say I don't know at this time. So may I ask what is your source?

Sure, of course he can't say he KNOWS. However, it's also pretty damn obvious, and quite frankly, a terribly cliche plot line that just doesn't FIT in with the saga. The EU had dozens of books to build up plot lines. Episode 7 has a three or four paragraph intro, and a two and a half hour film. When the last film ends showing Luke being completely in control, with no possible hint of going bad, it seriously stretches to suddenly have him evil. Kooky, and scared if his own powers? Sure. Actually EVIL to the point he kills his best friend? No. It's undermine everything Luke ever stood for, and destroy all character development in the original trilogy, while also putting a sour taste in viewers mouths, quite possibly killing the franchise.

They're not going to have captain America become a nazi in avengers 2. They're not going to have Luke become Evil in Star Wars. It's just dumb to even think it.

More to the point, I doubt Han dies too. It'd be pretty hard to sell a Han spin Off if they just killed his character. "Hey come watch this movie about the guy we killed last year, while he's played by a younger, not as good actor."

Believe it or not, they actually TRY to think ahead with their plans for quite possibly the biggest franchise they own. Between Marvel and Star Wars, disney has the two biggest film IP's in history. Only a fool would assume that they'd purposely do something dumb to destroy the future profit of these series.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by Gamma_Winstead

Sure, of course he can't say he KNOWS. However, it's also pretty damn obvious, and quite frankly, a terribly cliche plot line that just doesn't FIT in with the saga. The EU had dozens of books to build up plot lines. Episode 7 has a three or four paragraph intro, and a two and a half hour film. When the last film ends showing Luke being completely in control, with no possible hint of going bad, it seriously stretches to suddenly have him evil. Kooky, and scared if his own powers? Sure. Actually EVIL to the point he kills his best friend? No. It's undermine everything Luke ever stood for, and destroy all character development in the original trilogy, while also putting a sour taste in viewers mouths, quite possibly killing the franchise.

They're not going to have captain America become a nazi in avengers 2. They're not going to have Luke become Evil in Star Wars. It's just dumb to even think it.

More to the point, I doubt Han dies too. It'd be pretty hard to sell a Han spin Off if they just killed his character. "Hey come watch this movie about the guy we killed last year, while he's played by a younger, not as good actor."

Believe it or not, they actually TRY to think ahead with their plans for quite possibly the biggest franchise they own. Between Marvel and Star Wars, disney has the two biggest film IP's in history. Only a fool would assume that they'd purposely do something dumb to destroy the future profit of these series.

Still missing my point. I don't care Luke turns to evil or the Joker. We just don't know. You're assuming, just like those who support the rumors.

I was just presenting what we saw in the trailer and what we've been told from the rumors.

[EvaDK]

Luke had his 'moment' in ROTJ. The Emperor (and Vader with the sister monologue) attempted to lure him to the dark side and they failed. Luke passed the test his father failed. Done.

Repeating the above in Episode 7 would feel redundant and probably steal precious screen time that should instead be used to focus on the new characters and their development.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by octagon

You can set an ipad to autodouche?

Damn, there really is an app for everything, isn't there

Ha! That's actually pretty funny. +1

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by aiman04

Still missing my point. I don't care Luke turns to evil or the Joker. We just don't know. You're assuming, just like those who support the rumors.

I was just presenting what we saw in the trailer and what we've been told from the rumors.

I know for a certainty that neither Batman or Superman die in their next movies. I know James Bond doesn't join SPECTRE and set off a nuke to destroy London. I know The Lone Ranger doesn't drink the Blood of Kali and kill Tonto. I know Luke Skywalker isn't going to turn evil and kill Han Solo, sending everybody on the planet out of the theater crying. SW7 has to -- HAS TO -- be a massive crowd-pleasing hit. The entire future of the franchise depends on it. They can get darker in other movies, it aint happening here.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Al_The_Strange

...in reality, maybe it'll be something in-between, but it would seem out-of-character for Luke to turn all-out evil and abuse his powers.

Sure, I wasn't saying that he'll be turning "evil", but that if he IS one of the most powerful force users ever then there's room to explore what that means. For a series based around such clear cut depictions of good and bad, it'll be a fascinating expansion of the mythos to see if we can get something that's less clear cut, akin to Yoda exploring the netherworld of the force in the exceptional last season of Clone Wars.

And the thing is, it's not like JJ doesn't know how to deliver a "massive crowd pleasing hit" without introducing some elements of darkness into it, and I don't just means the two Treks, I mean stuff like MI3 which has one the best cold opens I've seen in years. Even the original freaking Star Wars film had people getting choked to death, limbs getting lopped off, roasted corpses, millions of people getting killed in one instance and tens of thousands in another and yet it's regarded as this frothy piece of space adventure fluff. As long as the new flick is GOOD first and foremost, then people will flock to it. [edit] And the teaser for Ep VII certainly didn't paint it as some fluffy happy-go-lucky romp, although it was no less "crowd pleasing" as a result....

[jedilips]

Originally Posted by EvaDK

Luke had his 'moment' in ROTJ. The Emperor (and Vader with the sister monologue) attempted to lure him to the dark side and they failed. Luke passed the test his father failed. Done.

Repeating the above in Episode 7 would feel redundant and probably steal precious screen time that should instead be used to focus on the new characters and their development.

Actually an argument can be made that Luke dabbled a bit in the dark side by unleashing his anger to defeat Vader, but then ultimately turned down the Emperor.

As they say, once you start down that dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny...

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by EvaDK

Luke had his 'moment' in ROTJ. The Emperor (and Vader with the sister monologue) attempted to lure him to the dark side and they failed. Luke passed the test his father failed. Done.

Repeating the above in Episode 7 would feel redundant and probably steal precious screen time that should instead be used to focus on the new characters and their development.

Resisting the Dark Side once or twice doesn't mean in the future you're immune to it.


I can see Luke being tempted again in his isolation. Doesn't mean he will turn, just be tempted.