Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[mikeyfridebuzz]

I think that starting off the prequels with Anakin as a little kid actor was Georges biggest mistake. They could have started off by making him a teenager in Episode 1 and had far more time to further develop his character instead of waste an entire movie on an emotionless "innocent" kid.

It would have made the fear around taking Anakin away from his mother because of attachments and him being "too old" for the training even more compelling. he would have also had more time to build a more believable friendship with Obi wan. Anakin's eventual turn to the dark side could have started right away and by the end of Episode 2 there could have been the turn as a Climax where all seems hopeless like Empire strikes back did for the original trilogy. Instead they wasted time and had to cram the turn to the dark side into the 3rd movie in a huge rush.

I was excited about the prequels when they were first announced because I thought it would be cool to see Darth Vader turn and start taking out all the Jedi's by the 3rd movie but sadly that opportunity was missed because there simply wasn't any time by the time the 3rd movie rolled around.

[mikeyfridebuzz]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Because of what happened with Episode III. Lucas himself admitted that he had a backstory and 10% went into Episode I and 10% went into Episode II, but when he got to III, he could only get 60% into it, leaving 20% unrealized.

Fairly maddening, considering he had 20 years to write three scripts and get them spit-shined. Can't call Lucas lazy, but yeah, glad the saga is in the hands of people who are going to demand accountability.

Basically this. Glad to see Lucas agrees with what I have been saying. The move to Disney will hopefully see vast improvements in story pacing, quality dialogue and casting choices.

[tylerdurden10]

Originally Posted by segagamer12

Episode I was not a bad movie at all, it had good acting, good characters, a good story, it felt like Star Wars to me when I was 16 and saw it for the first time in the theater. Jar Jar was annoying, and the Pod race went on a little too long but the rest of the movie was awesome start to finish. There were a couple of cringe worthy moments but there is not a single movie in history without a few of those.


Episode II was a little worse, the main problem there was dialog. The story was actually well put together and fully developed. The characters were fleshed out by now and the plot made pretty good sense. The movie was not just the fall of Anakin to the Dark side but the entire collapse of the great Republic into the evil Empire. The people who complain there was too much politics are grasping for straws, the politics were necessary and perfectly balanced even A New Hope had that political stuff in there it was what set up the whole premise of the prequels in the first place.

Episode III is damn near perfect, it had far fewer mistakes than the previous two and the ones it did have were easier to forgive. They were not perfect but they were by no means terrible movies. The bottom line is people had their own ideas of what to expect, they didn't get it so they lashed out like big babies.

Well I'm glad that you found them to be quite good. I on the other hand feel they were really disappointing.

For starters, Ep.I was so bad that if not for a couple of scenes, it would be completely unwatchable. Ep.II was better but not by much. Ep.III was definitely the best of the 3, but that isn't saying much considering how poor the first 2 were.

Also for you to call Ep.III "damn near perfect" is borderline blasphemy, it would've needed to be as good as ANY of the OT in order for it to be called that. And considering the legacy of the OT, it needed a much stronger ending which it definitely didn't deliver.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by tylerdurden10

Well I'm glad that you found them to be quite good. I on the other hand feel they were really disappointing.

For starters, Ep.I was so bad that if not for a couple of scenes, it would be completely unwatchable. Ep.II was better but not by much. Ep.III was definitely the best of the 3, but that isn't saying much considering how poor the first 2 were.

Also for you to call Ep.III "damn near perfect" is borderline blasphemy, it would've needed to be as good as ANY of the OT in order for it to be called that. And considering the legacy of the OTm it needed a much stronger ending which it definitely didn't deliver.

Episode III is pretty much on par with Jedi (if I had to I'd probably even give EIII a slight edge). They both have good moments that don't really outweigh the bad and/or tedious moments but in both cases it's a relatively close call.

The difference is EIII is the best of its brood whereas Jedi is far and away the worst.

[Col. Zombie]

Originally Posted by mikeyfridebuzz

I think that starting off the prequels with Anakin as a little kid actor was Georges biggest mistake. They could have started off by making him a teenager in Episode 1 and had far more time to further develop his character instead of waste an entire movie on an emotionless "innocent" kid.

I have always been of the opinion that Episodes 1 and 2 could have been one movie, obviously condensed down with a lot of the fluff taken out. By the end of that version of Epsiode 1, Anakin is already hooked up with Amidala and the clone wars have started.

Episode 2 kicks in with the clone wars and an even more sinister, rebellious Anakin developing a closer realtionship with Sidious, and therefore closer to the darkside. By the end of the episode, Amidala is pregnant, Anakin's off fighting the clone wars where we see him do some "questionable" things during battle (e.g. we see some of his darker side very frequently).

Episode 3 moves immediately into the birth of the twins and death of Amidala. Have the entire last half, or at least third, of the movie about his pursuit of the Jedi, as Darth Vader (black suit, helmet and all), their annhiliation and exile, and the securing of the Empire under Palpatine.

Oh well, we got what we got.

[tylerdurden10]

Originally Posted by octagon

Episode III is pretty much on par with Jedi (if I had to I'd probably even give EIII a slight edge). They both have good moments that don't really outweigh the bad and/or tedious moments but in both cases it's a relatively close call.

The difference is EIII is the best of its brood whereas Jedi is far and away the worst.

The funny thing is, for me Return Of The Jedi is my favorite of the OT!

[octagon]

Originally Posted by tylerdurden10

The funny thing is, for me Return Of The Jedi is my favorite of the OT!

I've been shaking my head at that for thirty years

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Nerdkiller likes BD

DAMMIT, I just wanted to say that I never saw the CG series because I didn't have the movie channels at the time. This was nothing to do with the movie was was released in theatres.

I know, was just pre-emptively heading off some of the other complaints of "Man, that movie sucked, never watched it!"
FTR, I don't get the cable channels either, but that's what Blu-ray boxsets are for.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by NYorker

How many exactly are those "far more...?"
The fact is people bash the prequels because the films are just plain awful. The only film with any redeeming qualities is Ep. III, and that too was prevented from greatness by atrocious dialogue, wooden acting and bloated scenes that add nothing except to "show off" the latest in SFX.
Jar Jar was one of the worst movie characters ever, certainly one of the worst FX creations.

Grand vistas and intricate story lines? it's so obvious the "grand vistas" are FX generated and the "intricate" story lines are tedious.

I give GL all the credit in the world for creating the Star Wars universe and the OT, but he deserves a lot of heat as well of the prequel trilogy, because they added nothing to the saga. The idea of prequels may have been good, but its execution was poor on all levels: story, acting, dialogue.

You know what would help? Oh, why bother. It's completely hopeless with you guys anyways.

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

I have to agree. I will never understand why Lucas made the decision to kill him off! Maul could have been THE guy for the entire PT just the way Vader was in the OT. It could have climaxed where Anakin had to kill off Maul to take his place.

As it stands, like Qui Gon Jin, he truly was an inconsequential character to the saga. I agree 100% with those who say Episode 1, by and large, is not necessary. You really can start watching this saga from Episode 2 forward and no really miss anything story wise.

Oh dear.
I am so glad Lucas was the director, and creative mastermind of the PT.

So, it's back to the pointless bickering again?

Do we know the director of Ep VII yet?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

I am so glad Lucas was the director, and creative mastermind of the PT.

As am I. I might have otherwise gone my whole life without fully appreciating just how coarse and irritating sand can be.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by octagon

As am I. I might have otherwise gone my whole life without fully appreciating just how coarse and irritating sand can be.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by octagon

As am I. I might have otherwise gone my whole life without fully appreciating just how coarse and irritating sand can be.

Damn! Octagon just leveled up!!! LOL!! That was incredible!!

[segagamer12]

So what does this mean for the fan made stuff and tie ins? Like will Disney suddenly crack down on stuff like Robot Chicken and all the youtube videos, those Stromtroopers who are a charity group, movies like Fanboys and Mallrats, stuff like that? I mean if Seth Green wanted to do another Robot Chicken special would it be as easy as before or would they basically tell him to take a hike? And what about the fanedit's floating around all over the place will this be the end of those? Is there any indication that they would leave this stuff alone or start cracking the whip?

[GORT]

Originally Posted by EricJ

Who should direct the next George Lucas movie?....RON HOWARD!

(I'm just sayin': Had you ever heard of Irvin Kirschner or Richard Marquand either? )

lets hope it would turn out better than the first time because this one sucked
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[Beast]

Originally Posted by tylerdurden10

The funny thing is, for me Return Of The Jedi is my favorite of the OT!

Second favorite film in the entire series for me. And favorite film in the OT as well.

[GORT]

Originally Posted by BLUEGRASS

Ahem....

[http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i909Rm4NQN8

And Mark Hamill was greatest acting ever in A New Hope

[Beast]

Originally Posted by GORT

And Mark Hamill was greatest acting ever in A New Hope

Not to mention Harrison Ford's rather painfully and laughable bad acting in A New Hope.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Beast

Not to mention Harrison Ford's rather painfully and laughable bad acting in A New Hope.

HARRISON FORD's bad acting???? Mark I can see, but Harrison was the best PART of a new Hope

[Nerdkiller likes BD]

Originally Posted by GORT

And Mark Hamill was greatest acting ever in A New Hope

Have him redub all his lines in the Joker's voice, then we'll talk.

[The Edge]

Originally Posted by NYorker

How many exactly are those "far more...?"
The fact is people bash the prequels because the films are just plain awful. The only film with any redeeming qualities is Ep. III, and that too was prevented from greatness by atrocious dialogue, wooden acting and bloated scenes that add nothing except to "show off" the latest in SFX.
Jar Jar was one of the worst movie characters ever, certainly one of the worst FX creations.

Grand vistas and intricate story lines? it's so obvious the "grand vistas" are FX generated and the "intricate" story lines are tedious.

I give GL all the credit in the world for creating the Star Wars universe and the OT, but he deserves a lot of heat as well of the prequel trilogy, because they added nothing to the saga. The idea of prequels may have been good, but its execution was poor on all levels: story, acting, dialogue.

Psh. Everyone always says how its so horrible, terrible, sucked, etc. You can't do better job in any aspect of the trilogy, and neither can anybody else. So get over yourself dude.