Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Nailwraps

It's Fox! They distributed them, they what help made themselves great, it's part of their legacy! I suppose next you'll be telling me it's OK for someone else to own The Simpsons or the Ice Age films. While we're at it, maybe you think it's OK for someone like Warner to own Disney properties.

You must be new to how Hollywood works. Movies change hands all the time.

Either from Movie Companies selling off their rights or losing them when they fold.

Hell, studios losing or licensing off their rights has helped the industry more than it's hurt.

A release of the OUT with the Disney logo instead of the Fox logo? No thank you! OK, that probably won't happen. But what I don't want to happen is for Disney to own the Fox Star Wars films.

It wouldn't likely have the Disney Logo. Disney didn't slap their logo infront of Marvel movies.

Sure the 20th Century Fox logo and fanfare might go away. But we'll see what happens.

And they already own the films. The only thing that Fox owns is the distribution rights for them.

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I fail to see how the Star Wars films belong to Fox. Fox was anything but understanding to Mr. Lucas during production of the original, and they made it a miserable, miserable experience for him. Like it or not, distribution rights to five of the six films belong to Disney in eight years, and I wager Disney will do some horse-trading to get the original as well. Why do you care who distributes a finished product anyway?

excuse me if it was answered already but why only 5 of 6? Lucas owns all 6 movies now(well, did own all 6 before he sold them). he eventually got back the original Star Wars from Fox so i am not certian why there would be a separate deal for that and the rest of the movies. as for the miserable experience part, Fox wasn't the one on the sets making the actors miserable. watch the original trailer for Star Wars and tell me you thought it was going to be as big as it was. can't entirely blame Fox for their attitude towards it and Lucas.

[legendarymatt92]

RE: Nailwraps

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I apologise if it's neither and you're just a disgruntled Fox employee.

[Nailwraps]

I'm not a disgruntled Fox employee. If I was I would prevent this from happening I'll tell you that now.

I'm just gonna end the conversation now before I make the risk of being banned.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

excuse me if it was answered already but why only 5 of 6? Lucas owns all 6 movies now(well, did own all 6 before he sold them). he eventually got back the original Star Wars from Fox so i am not certian why there would be a separate deal for that and the rest of the movies. as for the miserable experience part, Fox wasn't the one on the sets making the actors miserable. watch the original trailer for Star Wars and tell me you thought it was going to be as big as it was. can't entirely blame Fox for their attitude towards it and Lucas.

They still put him through an emotional wringer -- I felt so sympathetic towards Lucas when I saw "Empire of Dreams". Really had no idea what a hard time Fox gave Lucas during the making of Star Wars. No wonder Lucas went independent.

Anyway, everyone is saying Fox owns distribution to the original Star Wars film in perpetuity, because Fox financed it in the first place. We're talking distribution, not ownership of the actual title. The head of Fox lost his job for signing that original contract with Lucas in the first place, giving Lucas everything but the kitchen sink. The distribution rights for the other five films expire in 2020, so Disney will probably horse-trade with Fox for the distribution rights for Episode IV.

I think the big question is if Disney will keep the famous "Fox Fanfare" that has so become a part of the SW experience. It's possible, Disney has been utilizing the original RKO title cards for many of their classic animated features and live-action titles for home video. As I try to gently remind people, Disney isn't in the "pissing people off" business. They're in the "make you happy and you pay us for it" business.

[segagamer12]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

They still put him through an emotional wringer -- I felt so sympathetic towards Lucas when I saw "Empire of Dreams". Really had no idea what a hard time Fox gave Lucas during the making of Star Wars. No wonder Lucas went independent.

Anyway, everyone is saying Fox owns distribution to the original Star Wars film in perpetuity, because Fox financed it in the first place. We're talking distribution, not ownership of the actual title. The head of Fox lost his job for signing that original contract with Lucas in the first place, giving Lucas everything but the kitchen sink. The distribution rights for the other five films expire in 2020, so Disney will probably horse-trade with Fox for the distribution rights for Episode IV.

I think the big question is if Disney will keep the famous "Fox Fanfare" that has so become a part of the SW experience. It's possible, Disney has been utilizing the original RKO title cards for many of their classic animated features and live-action titles for home video. As I try to gently remind people, Disney isn't in the "pissing people off" business. They're in the "make you happy and you pay us for it" business.

That isn't exclusive to Disney, all studios do that, the title and logos are a part of the films copyright, that is why if you pay attention old releases always have the updated logos up front but when the film starts whatever studio logo played during it's original run is what shows up. It is pretty rare that they just cut those things out and replace them with a new logo. I think the fox fanfare is safe as far as the current saga is concerned. The titles going forward are an entirely different matter, it is possible Disney might just work out a deal that includes keeping the fanfare for the hell of it and gives old Fox a kick back in return for those Episode IV rights? Either way I don't think the fanfare is in danger of being removed from Star Wars.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by segagamer12

That isn't exclusive to Disney, all studios do that, the title and logos are a part of the films copyright, that is why if you pay attention old releases always have the updated logos up front but when the film starts whatever studio logo played during it's original run is what shows up.

Disney cut the RKO logos off their classic movies for decades. They only started restoring the RKO title cards in the early 90's. Now we're at a point where people get grouchy if Disney doesn't include the original Buena Vista title cards.

It is pretty rare that they just cut those things out and replace them with a new logo. I think the fox fanfare is safe as far as the current saga is concerned.

Maybe, but there may be some legal mumbo jumbo that will require Disney to place their own distributor logo before then.

The titles going forward are an entirely different matter, it is possible Disney might just work out a deal that includes keeping the fanfare for the hell of it and gives old Fox a kick back in return for those Episode IV rights? Either way I don't think the fanfare is in danger of being removed from Star Wars.

It's one of those things we're going to be watching with great interest.

[segagamer12]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Disney cut the RKO logos off their classic movies for decades. They only started restoring the RKO title cards in the early 90's. Now we're at a point where people get grouchy if Disney doesn't include the original Buena Vista title cards.



Maybe, but there may be some legal mumbo jumbo that will require Disney to place their own distributor logo before then.



It's one of those things we're going to be watching with great interest.

That is different though, home video was relatively new then and the legal battles hadn't been squared away up till that point. Again it is not just Disney every movie studio has the same practice. You put in your Wizard of Oz VHS tapes and I am pretty sure it still has the MGM logos up front not replaced by Warner logos. films change studio hands all the time they keep the title cards and stuff in tact because they are physically a part of the film in question and are covered by the copyright of said film. If Disney owns the negatives of the Star Wars prints and the Fox Fanfare is physically present on those prints.

[Beast]

You don't really seem to understand how these things work. Disney doesn't own the Fox Fanfare just because they own the movies.

There's been plenty of releases of films when the rights change that have replaced the opening studio logo. We'll see what happens.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by segagamer12

That is different though, home video was relatively new then and the legal battles hadn't been squared away up till that point. Again it is not just Disney every movie studio has the same practice. You put in your Wizard of Oz VHS tapes and I am pretty sure it still has the MGM logos up front not replaced by Warner logos. films change studio hands all the time they keep the title cards and stuff in tact because they are physically a part of the film in question and are covered by the copyright of said film. If Disney owns the negatives of the Star Wars prints and the Fox Fanfare is physically present on those prints.

Wizard of Oz is protected by Congressional statute...it's part of the National Film Archive, and no one can alter it other than the owner. Distribution cards are not part of the original work, they merely identify the distributor. I've got a slew of Anchor Bay DVDs that have no opening distributor cards at all. I think you need to double check your info on what part of a film is part of "copyright" and what isn't.

[segagamer12]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Wizard of Oz is protected by Congressional statute...it's part of the National Film Archive, and no one can alter it other than the owner. Distribution cards are not part of the original work, they merely identify the distributor. I've got a slew of Anchor Bay DVDs that have no opening distributor cards at all. I think you need to double check your info on what part of a film is part of "copyright" and what isn't.

No I studied copyright law already, if it is present on the actual film it is a part of the copy right. they do not own the copyright to the fan fare itself but would retain the right to use it as a part of the film they own. Obviously this also means they have to work out the distribution deals before hand but they will not ever be required to remove the fanfare, they could if they chose but not required to.


I would double check the films you have that are by Anchor Bay, considering they are a budget studio it is possibly they are licensing different prints.

[Nerdkiller likes BD]

Originally Posted by Beast

You don't really seem to understand how these things work. Disney doesn't own the Fox Fanfare just because they own the movies.

There's been plenty of releases of films when the rights change that have replaced the opening studio logo. We'll see what happens.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tHKoP68WQQ

Yeah, it doesn't have the same ring to it as Fox's.

[Silo5]

Originally Posted by Nerdkiller likes BD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tHKoP68WQQ

Yeah, it doesn't have the same ring to it as Fox's.

I could almost guarantee that the Lucasfilm fanfare will stay. As to what will replace the 20th Century Fox logo is anyone's guess, but definitely won't be the Disney Castle. They didn't put one in front of the Marvel movies and certainly didn't put one in front of the Kill Bill movies.

[Elandyll]

Originally Posted by Silo5

I could almost guarantee that the Lucasfilm fanfare will stay. As to what will replace the 20th Century Fox logo is anyone's guess, but definitely won't be the Disney Castle. They didn't put one in front of the Marvel movies and certainly didn't put one in front of the Kill Bill movies.

If you mean this

20th century fox+Lucasfilm Limited (Star Wars Intro) - YouTube

then I don't know what to tell you without being disagreeable...
Maybe before 2020 as part of a co-release deal Fox/ Disney, but after that?
Enjoy it while it lasts if you think you can't live without the Fox/ Lucasfilm logo, because it's going to be extinct.
My sons generation (2 and 4 atm) will probably still know the old logo, but their kids will always think Star Wars is a Disney thing, that's just the way it is.

Time to move on guys, the fanfare is Fox, and after 2020, Fox will have nothing to do anymore with Star Wars I-III and V-VI. The only one you might still hear the fanfare + Disney + Lucasfilm logo would be # IV as part of a deal I imagine.

[Silo5]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

If you mean this

20th century fox+Lucasfilm Limited (Star Wars Intro) - YouTube

then I don't know what to tell you without being disagreeable...
Maybe before 2020 as part of a co-release deal Fox/ Disney, but after that?
Enjoy it while it lasts if you think you can't live without the Fox/ Lucasfilm logo, because it's going to be extinct.
My sons generation (2 and 4 atm) will probably still know the old logo, but their kids will always think Star Wars is a Disney thing, that's just the way it is.

Time to move on guys, the fanfare is Fox, and after 2020, Fox will have nothing to do anymore with Star Wars I-III and V-VI. The only one you might still hear the fanfare + Disney + Lucasfilm logo would be # IV as part of a deal I imagine.

It may very well be the 20th Century Fox logo. All I was saying is that we won't see a "Disney Castle" at the beginning. If you look at all of their other movie companies they own, they don't use the "Disney Castle" as fanfare for those movies. Lucasfilm is still it's own company, but it is now owned by Disney. Unless Disney dissolves Lucasfilm, the "Lucasfilm" fanfare will remain. I just don't think there will be a "Disney Castle" that everyone thinks will be at the beginning.

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by Silo5

It may very well be the 20th Century Fox logo. All I was saying is that we won't see a "Disney Castle" at the beginning. If you look at all of their other movie companies they own, they don't use the "Disney Castle" as fanfare for those movies. Lucasfilm is still it's own company, but it is now owned by Disney. Unless Disney dissolves Lucasfilm, the "Lucasfilm" fanfare will remain. I just don't think there will be a "Disney Castle" that everyone thinks will be at the beginning.

What is this Lucasfilm fanfare you keep referring to?

[legendarymatt92]

Does it really matter what logo is at the beginning of Star Wars? It doesn't change the film that comes after at all for me. Yes, we all fondly remember the Fox fanfare and how we linked the two, but times change and companies move on. Disney won't put their castle at the front but, even if they do, who cares? I actually really happen to like the Disney bit anyway.

[Taipan]

Logo, schmogo. The glowing Lucasfilm logo was always the one I remember before the movie starts.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by legendarymatt92

Does it really matter what logo is at the beginning of Star Wars? It doesn't change the film that comes after at all for me. Yes, we all fondly remember the Fox fanfare and how we linked the two, but times change and companies move on. Disney won't put their castle at the front but, even if they do, who cares? I actually really happen to like the Disney bit anyway.

That is all.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Strevlac

What is this Lucasfilm fanfare you keep referring to?

The Fox fanfare. It's been there since the days of Cinemascope.