Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[Scorpion Soldier]

Originally Posted by TDSOTM

Well, Iron Man 3 had a 200 million budget, which isn't too shabby.

This. They did have a lower budget set at $150 million before production began, but they added 50 million to that thanks to the box office results of The Avengers.

[THXGuru]

Originally Posted by RyanPom

I don't think Disney has to be worried about production budgets when everything will be done in house from Lucasfilm.

I think they will, the budget of this movie is going to be huge, add in the cost of marketing and you have one mega budget of a movie. Digital 3D costs more than 2D so every dollar will count.

[THXGuru]

Originally Posted by double_l4488

The Master, was shot on 70mm, but that pretty much never happens anymore. I think its very likely a lot of this movie could be shot on IMAX, 65mm.

IMAX is 70mm and not 65mm. Yes, this movie could easily be shot with IMAX 70mm cameras. Will they do it? That is a tough question.

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by THXGuru

IMAX is 70mm and not 65mm. Yes, this movie could easily be shot with IMAX 70mm cameras. Will they do it? That is a tough question.

65mm and 70mm refers to the same film stock. The difference in 5mm is the absence of the optical soundtrack. But it's otherwise the same thing.

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by THXGuru

No, it is not. IMAX film is 70mm in the camera. It is also 70mm on the projection film. Soundtrack for IMAX is not ever located on the film print. The camera aperture is 70mm for IMAX.

For a film like The Master, it was shot on 65mm and then projected on 70mm film.

http://www.imax.com/about/experience/cameras/ - Watch the video in this link.

http://www.imax.com/de/community/blo...e-imax-camera/

- IMAX developed its first 2D 15perf / 65mm film camera in 1976. To this day, it remains the highest-resolution camera in the world.
- The first IMAX® 3D 15perf / 65mm film camera was developed in 1999.

http://www.imax.com/spacestation/htm...om_Cruise.html

Twenty-five astronauts and cosmonauts who were trained as filmmakers used specially-designed IMAX 3D space cameras to shoot more than 66,000 feet, (or 12 miles) of 65mm film in space between December 1998 and July 2001.

While working in Chile for this project, Ludgate and his team used the specialized IMAX® Solido 65mm duel film strip 3D camera–one of just two working units in the world. They took the 320-pound camera along with their 65mm film and magazines loaded with KODAK VISION3 250D Color Negative Film 5207 and KODAK VISION2 50D Color Negative Film 5201 into the high plateaus of the Atacama Desert for several days where the air is known to be extremely thin and dry.

Read more: http://motion.kodak.com/motion/Publi...#ixzz2dfRfzwtb

Ludgate shot the Chilean footage using interchangeable fixed interocular lenses purpose-built by IMAX for the Solido camera. The Solido shoots left and right eye images simultaneously onto two rolls of 65mm film running through a single camera body housing two camera movements. The images from the each lens are captured on the film, slightly offset, so when they are later projected, the combined image is 3D. These lenses, combined with the Solido camera and high-performing KODAK 65mm film, thrilled the DP. “Film still has a warmth you don’t get elsewhere,” says Ludgate. “When you see film on the big screen, you get the most intimate kind of detail.”

Read more: http://motion.kodak.com/motion/Publi...#ixzz2dfRurvkn

That said, Bird did build some “wow” moments into the film—four of them, to be exact—that were shot in large-format 65mm IMAX.

Read more: http://motion.kodak.com/motion/Publi...#ixzz2dfQx7ncd

A full hour of The Dark Knight Rises originated in the IMAX® film format, which uses 65mm film in a horizontal orientation to create stunning images with 10 times the negative area of standard 35mm film

Read more: http://motion.kodak.com/motion/Publi...#ixzz2dfR39yu1

[srinivas1015]

Originally Posted by THXGuru

IMAX is 70mm and not 65mm. Yes, this movie could easily be shot with IMAX 70mm cameras. Will they do it? That is a tough question.

Even if it is, there'll always be a couple of fanboys who'll complain about the look not being similar to the other movies which are all 2.39:1 .

[TDSOTM]

Originally Posted by THXGuru

IMAX is 70mm and not 65mm. Yes, this movie could easily be shot with IMAX 70mm cameras. Will they do it? That is a tough question.

No movie can "easily be shot entirely with IMAX 70mm cameras". They're large, heavy, sluggish and noisy, which makes recording dialogues hard. They also have shallow depth of field. Not to mention the fact that it's the most costly format currently available.

There are lots of reasons not to shoot with IMAX cameras.

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by TDSOTM

No movie can "easily be shot entirely with IMAX 70mm cameras". They're large, heavy, sluggish and noisy, which makes recording dialogues hard. They also have shallow depth of field. Not to mention the fact that it's the most costly format currently available.

There are lots of reasons not to shoot with IMAX cameras.

Which is why I said it's not impossible. With enough time, proper planning and reasonable budget, it's possible.
However, with less than two years away to release and pre-production is not completed yet, I'd rather they stick to what they're already comfortable with (35mm) and shoot a good movie.

I think we've had enough tech demos with the prequels. Chief among them, George pushed for Dolby Digital EX 6.1 surround, HD digital cinematography, shooting an entire movie with blue/green screen and 24-hour shift in ILM. George Lucas would not admit it too openly, but his Star Wars prequels doubles as an expensive commercial for his Lucasfilm post-production facilities. Namely ILM and Skywalker Sound.

[THXGuru]

Originally Posted by TDSOTM

No movie can "easily be shot entirely with IMAX 70mm cameras". They're large, heavy, sluggish and noisy, which makes recording dialogues hard. They also have shallow depth of field. Not to mention the fact that it's the most costly format currently available.

There are lots of reasons not to shoot with IMAX cameras.

I didn't mean from a filmmakers or technical standpoint. I meant from studio decision it can be done very easily. The business case for a movie like this would benefit from 15/70. IMAX 15/70 has a lot of power and a lot of demand if it does correctly and released in true 15/70.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by RyanPom

You can't shoot a 2 hour movie on IMAX cameras because the cameras are so huge and bulky. That's why you only get some of the movie shot with IMAX. You can DNR it so it's shown in IMAX theaters. The Master was shot on 65mm and then blown up to 70mm.

Ummm...what?? Why don't you do some real research before you post something so absurd.

Do you think films are made like stage plays and essentially shot live? Films are made one shot at a time. It's rare that any shot is more than a few minutes. The time issue with film IMAX isn't the making of the film: it's how much can fit on an IMAX reel in the movie theatre. But that's becoming a moot point as IMAX is phasing out film projection. Besides, the vast majority of IMAX theatres are actually Lie-Max theatres.

There is a camera bulk issue, but that has to do with moving the camera during a shot or the limitations of getting the camera into tight spaces.

And as someone else pointed out, all 70mm films were shot on 65mm stock. They're not blown up to 70mm. They're printed to 70mm where the 65mm image is exactly the same size it was shot at, with the other 5mm originally reserved for the 6-track magnetic soundtrack, but today generally reserved for DTS digital time code, which is printed optically and only takes a little bit of room.

The reason why whole feature films aren't shot in IMAX is because it's very expensive to shoot on 65mm stock and the industry is quickly going to digital origination anyway. Not including IMAX films, there were only 11 full-length feature films shot on 63mm or 65mm stock in the 1920s and 30s and 73 films over 58 years from 1955 to 2012 shot on 65mm stock. In the last 30 years, there have only been five: Brainstorm (in part), The Black Cauldron, Far and Away, Baraka, Hamlet, Samsara and The Master. (Samsara was never shown in 70mm, only digitally.)

Most of this is moot because I'm not sure how much longer IMAX is going to be able to shoot on film. I doubt whether Kodak will be making print film past 2014. Fuji has already stopped manufacturing film. I have a more detailed post in the "End of Celluloid" thread.

[RyanPom]

Where did I ever say anything like that? Way to take words out of context. Besides, they'll probably just do the Skyfall route, and open matte the movie to show it in IMAX theaters.

[rickah88]

LOL! Whenever someone brings up fact, it's "taken out of context". Interesting.

[pmac]

Fact no one can say a darn thing on here without someone else contradicting it. Everyone on here in an expert.

[RyanPom]

Originally Posted by pmac

Fact no one can say a darn thing on here without someone else contradicting it. Everyone on here in an expert.

And not one person here I bet has ever even been in a movie.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by RyanPom

And not one person here I bet has ever even been in a movie.

I've never played in an NFL game, but I know just about everything there is to know by reading, watching, studying...ya know, fact gathering.

[RyanPom]

Originally Posted by rickah88

I've never played in an NFL game, but I know just about everything there is to know by reading, watching, studying...ya know, fact gathering.

Um, it was a joke.

[THXGuru]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

it's how much can fit on an IMAX reel in the movie theatre. But that's becoming a moot point as IMAX is phasing out film projection. Besides, the vast majority of IMAX theatres are actually Lie-Max theatres.
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The IMAX limitations of how much you can fit on a platter has not been an issue for a long while now. Most theaters were upgraded for the use of Hollywood features.

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

But that's becoming a moot point as IMAX is phasing out film projection.
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While they are phasing out film projection, IMAX developed a rail system that allows the theaters with film to quickly convert back to film after they have showed a digital only release. I still firmly believe that there will still be "one-off" IMAX 15/70 releases every once in a long while.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by RyanPom

Um, it was a joke.

I assume most of your posts are, but since you don't add any context to support them being a joke, I have to take them at face value: ie. being serious. Therefore facts are presented, something you're not big on.

[kurtlingle]

Guess there is no SW news as most posts here are about IMAX?

Really looking forward to some news on this movie, especially some casting news and hints of the story. Imagine the first teaser trailer... can't wait.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by kurtlingle

Guess there is no SW news as most posts here are about IMAX?

Really looking forward to some news on this movie, especially some casting news and hints of the story. Imagine the first teaser trailer... can't wait.

I agree!
I know I'm in the minority about liking the prequels, but I'll never forget when the first trailer popped up for Phantom Menace...I think I still have the goosebumps permanantly lodged on my skin:

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