Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Whether something looks GOOD or BAD is completely subjective, not really objective. In other words, it is a matter of opinion.

I absolutely LOVED how everything looked in the prequels. George hadn't moved forward any sooner because the things he wanted to show - the other planets, Coruscant, the majesty of the Old Republic - couldn't be brought to life with conventional special effects. It is his vision, his universe, his creation - who wouldn't want to know what he thought that period of AGFFA should look like?

By contrast, everything we've seen so far of TFA looks thoroughly conventional: a planet with a desert. A planet with trees and snow, yadda, yadda, yadda. In other words, BORING. Kylo Ren is a pale imitation of Darth Vader. BB-8 is a slight variation on beloved R2. Captain Phasma is just a storm trooper with a little silver paint job. The x-wings and TIE fighters and the Millennium Falcon look almost exactly the same as they did 30 years ago. Again, BORING.

They are mostly just bringing back the old stuff, with some minor changes. Nothing really to get excited about, imho.

But, again, the masses will eat it up, guaranteed, because Disney knows how to do good marketing and they bought a popular franchise. Their $4 billion investment will yield many more billions of dollars in profits and do wonders for their share price. Mark my words.

George?

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Kylo Ren is a pale imitation of Darth Vader. BB-8 is a slight variation on beloved R2. Captain Phasma is just a storm trooper with a little silver paint job. The x-wings and TIE fighters and the Millennium Falcon look almost exactly the same as they did 30 years ago. Again, BORING.

They are mostly just bringing back the old stuff, with some minor changes. Nothing really to get excited about, imho.

Call me crazy here, but maybe you should wait until you actually see the movie all the way through before forming those opinions.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by kamphausd1

Call me crazy here, but maybe you should wait until you actually see the movie all the way through before forming those opinions.

Well, the purpose of trailers and previews is to give you an idea of what to expect from the movie, isn't it?

Look, I already know what JJ did with Star Trek - the reboot was entertaining enough in the first viewing, but in hindsight it was also incredibly forgettable
I don't expect much more of TFA - but I will be happy to be proven wrong by the actual film, so long as it isn't as forgettable as the ST reboot.

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Look, I already know what JJ did with Star Trek - the reboot was entertaining enough in the first viewing, but in hindsight it was also incredibly forgettable
I don't expect much more of TFA - but I will be happy to be proven wrong by the actual film, so long as it isn't as forgettable as the ST reboot.

Lawrence Kasdan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Robert Orci, Alex Kurtzman and Damon Lindeloff

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by kamphausd1

Lawrence Kasdan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Robert Orci, Alex Kurtzman and Damon Lindeloff

Lawrence Kasdan has made his share of clunkers. LK working with GL I would trust blindly, but without GL it's a tossup at best.

Seriously all I can remember about JJ's ST is all the lens flares... Hope he does a bit better with TFA.

But, we all know this movie will make $$$ even if it IS mediocre.

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by GC Riot

Watched the Harmy version of Star Wars yesterday, will watch TESB today, RotJ tomorrow, and then on Wednesday, it's The Force Awakens time! Really feelin' it now!

We had a Despecialized Original Trilogy marathon in the home theater with friends and family Saturday night. We'll be seeing TFA on Sunday and this week cannot be over fast enough!

[Cook]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Lawrence Kasdan has made his share of clunkers. LK working with GL I would trust blindly, but without GL it's a tossup at best.

Seriously all I can remember about JJ's ST is all the lens flares... Hope he does a bit better with TFA.

But, we all know this movie will make $$$ even if it IS mediocre.

JJ's star trek films were critical darlings. 87% and 95% on RT.com. And Lawrence Kasdan did his best work (ESB) when Lucas was the least involved. And JJ has never had an issue with likable characters and fun adventure, thrills, suspense, and good performances. So I seriously doubt TFA will be mediocre.

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Lawrence Kasdan has made his share of clunkers. LK working with GL I would trust blindly, but without GL it's a tossup at best.

Seriously all I can remember about JJ's ST is all the lens flares... Hope he does a bit better with TFA.

But, we all know this movie will make $$$ even if it IS mediocre.

I'd still make the argument that even the worst stuff he's done is better than anything Kurtzman and Orci have ever written.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Cook

And Lawrence Kasdan did his best work (ESB) when Lucas was the least involved.

The least involved?!? Lucas was the main creator behind the story, the characters, he came up with the planets, etc. etc. etc. plus also a lot of work had been done by Leigh Brackett even before Lawrence was involved. And Lucas could veto any idea he didn't really like.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Cook

Lawrence Kasdan did his best work (ESB) when Lucas was the least involved.

If writing the story, co-writing the script, being on set in England every day, editing, and approving the VFX & SFX is "least involved"...

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

If writing the story, co-writing the script, being on set in England every day, editing, and approving the VFX & SFX is "least involved"...

All of that - plus hiring the director he decided on.

[Rainet]

What impressed me so far from watching the TFA trailers, I can sum up in one word. Vulnerability. The original trilogy seems to had this in spades. From Luke's humbled training with yoda, or Han Solo crapping his pants every time he can't get his falcon running.

The prequels seems to have none of it. So it feels trite. We are opened with Qui-gon and Obi confident and complete Jedi masters pretty much. Even young Anakin at age 5 seems ready to roll during pod racing, and star fighting against the droid army. All the villains seems indestructible also. We finally see some vulnerability during Anakin's turn to the dark side during Sith, but just seems a little too late in terms of shoddy character development.

Just from these new trailers with the new young cast. They seem vulnerable. It's something I feel we can all relate to. If that makes any sense?

[spanky87]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

If writing the story, co-writing the script, being on set in England every day, editing, and approving the VFX & SFX is "least involved"...

I don't mean to trivialize George Lucas' involvement in ESB, but I remember reading somewhere that he was mostly in California working on the special effects while Kershner and the actors were filming in the UK. So ESB would be the least hands on he was for any of the 6 previous films.

Can one of the hardcore fans confirm or deny this? I don't know, I may be wrong.

People shouldn't trivialize Kasdan's involvement either though. It was George's story no doubt, but Kasdan helped flesh it out, added some great character moments, and is responsible for that fun dynamic between Han and Leia.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Rainet

What impressed me so far from watching the TFA trailers, I can sum up in one word. Vulnerability. The original trilogy seems to had this in spades. From Luke's humbled training with yoda, or Han Solo crapping his pants every time he can't get his falcon running.

Just from these new trailers with the new young cast. They seem vulnerable. It's something I feel we can all relate to. If that makes any sense?

I fear you might have missed the point of the PT entirely.

Part of it is, how incredibly stable everything appeared, at least in the surface. The Old Republic had stood for over 1,000 years, the Jedi had every reason to be a bit TOO confident. That is pretty much the point of starting out the saga from that period of remarkable stability.

Plus, if you watch TPM without any foreknowledge about the rest of the story, you think Palpatine is just a boring old politician - surely he must be just a very minor and secondary character?

It is only in hindsight that you realize what a consumate schemer he is, and how thoroughly he has bamboozled the Jedi, the Senate, the whole Republic, and how he engineers the downfall of everything that was once peaceful and stable (and, yes, maybe a bit boring).

Without the PT to serve as contrast, the OT seems a lot less remarkable. It becomes a much smaller and less interesting part of the whole saga. If you care about the characters in the OT, how would you not want to know the story about how they came to be who they are at that point?

Truthfully, there are times when I think the genius of GL is wasted on, conservatively speaking, about 80% of all moviegoers.

But nobody would be a genius if EVERYONE of their contemporaries understood them perfectly well.

[Rainet]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

I fear you might have missed the point of the PT entirely.

Part of it is, how incredibly stable everything appeared, at least in the surface. The Old Republic had stood for over 1,000 years, the Jedi had every reason to be a bit TOO confident. That is pretty much the point of starting out the saga from that period of remarkable stability.

Plus, if you watch TPM without any foreknowledge about the rest of the story, you think Palpatine is just a boring old politician - surely he must be just a very minor and secondary character?

It is only in hindsight that you realize what a consumate schemer he is, and how thoroughly he has bamboozled the Jedi, the Senate, the whole Republic, and how he engineers the downfall of everything that was once peaceful and stable (and, yes, maybe a bit boring).

Without the PT to serve as contrast, the OT seems a lot less remarkable. It becomes a much smaller and less interesting part of the whole saga. If you care about the characters in the OT, how would you not want to know the story about how they came to be who they are at that point?

Truthfully, there are times when I think the genius of GL is wasted on, conservatively speaking, about 80% of all moviegoers.

But nobody would be a genius if EVERYONE of their contemporaries understood them perfectly well.

I agree with what your saying. The point I'm making is more of the line, that the OT feels more interesting and enjoyable to watch when the characters seem more humane hence relatable, vs super indestructible forces, due to the stable Old Republic. And not really about the moment in time aka;plot.

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

I fear you might have missed the point of the PT entirely.

Part of it is, how incredibly stable everything appeared, at least in the surface. The Old Republic had stood for over 1,000 years, the Jedi had every reason to be a bit TOO confident. That is pretty much the point of starting out the saga from that period of remarkable stability.

Plus, if you watch TPM without any foreknowledge about the rest of the story, you think Palpatine is just a boring old politician - surely he must be just a very minor and secondary character?

It is only in hindsight that you realize what a consumate schemer he is, and how thoroughly he has bamboozled the Jedi, the Senate, the whole Republic, and how he engineers the downfall of everything that was once peaceful and stable (and, yes, maybe a bit boring).

Without the PT to serve as contrast, the OT seems a lot less remarkable. It becomes a much smaller and less interesting part of the whole saga. If you care about the characters in the OT, how would you not want to know the story about how they came to be who they are at that point?

Truthfully, there are times when I think the genius of GL is wasted on, conservatively speaking, about 80% of all moviegoers.

But nobody would be a genius if EVERYONE of their contemporaries understood them perfectly well.

Because the PT wasn't about the fall of the senate or the rise of palpatine. It was about how Vader ascended into darkness and it failed on that aspect so miserably it is not even funny. The big payoff was supposed to be Vader systematically hunting down and betraying the Jedi. All we got was a hologram of him killing a few ppl and the imagery of him slaughtering the children before palpatine sent him to kill the separatists.

[Himmel]

THERE HAS BEEN AN AWAKENING...HAVE YOU FELT IT???

It's here finally...After a decade of waiting a new trilogy has begun, a new story will be told, and new characters we will be introduced. It is time to go back to that Galaxy Far Far Away....

This thread is for reviews, you know how it works spoiler tag it.. Don't be afraid to let it all out, vote in the poll, and also reviews from news sites can be posted tell us what you thought about the next chapter in the Star Wars Saga...


May the force be with you.

[toddly6666]

I was afraid to look in here but Im glad I see nothing in here yet!

[X400]

I can't believe they made Luke possessed with Anakins Sith Spirit! like how much of a hack job is that?! two spirits? Anakins Force and Sith spirits? like come on... ones a kid and the other still in vaders suit

i knew Abrams was going to ruin it but omg -_-

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

I was afraid to look in here but Im glad I see nothing in here yet!

I see one thing wrong with the first post. you know how it works spoiler tag if you want..

Spoiler tags are to be used on anything about the movie & he needs to change it or I will

People should be able to come into this thread & see what people think about it, Get there opinions about the movie & not have it ruined for them because someone did not spoiler tag something.