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Strange how that article refers to the Matrix, which liberally cribbed from the Terminator, comic books, and anime as the creative high-point of science fiction movies over the last 25 years. I like the Matrix (a bit), but come now, let's be fair.Why is it Star Wars' fault that films cannot match the emotional and philosophical depth of the best literature? Literature is a genre of the mind in general, it is constructed on thought while films are sensation (generally speaking, of course). There can be thought-driven movies and spectacle-laden books, yet to expect one medium to parallel the other is unfair? Would I love for Dune and Foundation to receive thoughtful, faithful translations? Yes. But a two-hour movie simply cannot explore the minds, thoughts and motivations of its characters the way a novel can.
Not only that, but is there not room for both? Star Wars is based upon Myth, the story of a young man's journey through the perils of the world. Most myths are relatively simple (on the outside), filled with spectacle, and exciting to tell. Add in a Flash Gordon style and you have Star Wars. Just because it's fun makes it dumb? There is enough room in the genre for thought-provoking stories, stories to entertain, and those that manage to do both. On a lighter note, I hope they give Han and Leia marital problems to mirror their real-life relationship. Last edited by ariakon; 05-03-2014 at 09:19 PM. |
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Perhaps Carrie Fisher is only going to be in a flashback scene. They could use computers to make her younger and we see Leia giving birth to her and Han's twins and then she dies in childbirth seconds after giving them names due to giving up and dying of a broken heart. Nah, that sound incredibly friggin stupid and no competent screen writer would ever do that.
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Star Wars isn't science fiction and it never intended to be. From the opening "A long time ago..." it instantly told you that this was fantasy - space opera to be more precise. It's not about the future of humanity or genetics or cyborg's or time travel - it's ancient mythology from many different cultures cleverly melded into a singular vision. It's really a beautiful thing and it allows for so much creative freedom for authors and artists to grow in. There's a reason that Star Wars has its own section at bookstores - it is its own genre - something totally unique and open to a world of possibilities.
That article, no offense, was written by a closed minded fool. |
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#5925 | |
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It is science fiction. Science fiction does not and has never meant futuristic. |
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Thanks given by: | spanky87 (05-04-2014) |
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If Han has a kid who turns against what Han, Leia and Luke fought for, that also adds tremendous emotional weight and again would make it more than just the "good guys" against some new "bad guy". IMO, one of the (many) reasons why the first film in the PT is not liked is because Darth Maul had the personality of a robot (actually less, since C3PO and R2D2 have plenty of personality). But if they do follow that plot line, they also have to be careful not to make it "The Godfather", which would be very funny, but too derivative and obvious. When the original trilogy was released, these characters were completely new to us and even though the stories were based on classic myths, the plots were new to most people as well. Episode IV was loved because it all seemed new and was the first time we had seen very high production values used in a film of this genre (aside perhaps from 2001). Episode V was loved because of the introduction of Yoda, Lando and the Vader reveal. Episode VI was somewhat less loved, but it wrapped up the story. The prequels failed in part for many reasons, but one of the reasons is that the story, even though a different one, could no longer surprise us. I don't envy the screenwriters. I think it's going be very hard to create a plot that is original and gets people excited. It needs to be more than there's some new bad guy who has turned to the dark side of the Force and wants to rule or destroy the galaxy. Or more than a parallel story to Episode IV where Luke essentially becomes Obi and mentors a new Jedi in order to fight a new villain. Disney will (obviously) want a very broad audience for these films, but IMO, it was that desire for the prequels that hurt those films -- Lucas' desire to appeal to both little kids and to sophisticated adults made the stories incomprehensible for almost everyone. How could an adult want to sit through a whole film about the 9-year-old Anakin and Jar Jar Binks at the same time a kid would have to try to decipher the politics of the trade federation and the Republic. I'm all for multi-layered plots of a sophisticated nature, but the prequel machinations never made much sense to me. IMO (and I've posted this before), it was never even really explained what Palpatine would have done with all that power had he won. We know he wanted to rule the Galaxy, but why? |
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The power is a reason in itself and doesn't need any further explanation. Billionaires don't need money so why do they continue to build empires, buy sports teams, acquire corporations or start new ventures... because they can, regardless of what they say, there is no "good" reason other than they CAN and they like having the power to do so. |
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I just meant the way they've supposedly been bickering because they apparently used to mess around with one another. (Who knows, might be all Hollywood fluff talk, but still, if the stories can be believed, they hate each other and that bitterness could be kind of amusing on-screen).
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It's fantasy. What separates Star Wars from science fiction is that it never attempts to make its universe plausible - the universe it there and you can accept it or not. We never hear about how the lightsabers work, how Han understands Chewie, the rationale for an X-wing's shape, etc. While the EU may venture into sci-fi territory, the movies are pure fantasy. Midicholorians are the closest thing to science fiction in the saga, and they were vehemently rejected by much of the fanbase.
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#5932 | |
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As a movie franchise, do you really want them to explain the reason for the X-wing? And people thought the Phantom Menace was bad. Is Star Trek science fiction in your mind? Does it ever take the time to explain every bit of technology in it? |
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![]() Star Wars isn't about alternate dimensions or socio-political commentary or robots taking over the world or alien visitations or science gone wrong or whatever else that 99% of science fiction literature deals with. It has more in common with The Odyssey or ancient mythology than any science fiction story of the last century or two. |
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"A galaxy far, far away" == alternate universe. |
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