Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

Do you really think they wouldn't keep one of the main trio somewhere through the new trilogy? I mean, really, think about that...Obi-Wan was in every one of the prequel movies, and every film in the OT. I expect the same will be done with one of the trio here. Again, all signs would seemingly point to Luke being a character throughout. Not main, but around, just like Obi-Wan was. With Hamill's comments, past as well as recent, and Kennedy and Abram's insistence to giving them bigger parts in the new one, they're going to be used throughout. The possible spoilers really elude to much as well. I'm just saying, don't be surprised if Luke is seen throughout the whole trilogy, even if it's in a minor capacity. Hamill is only 62, he's got plenty of mileage left to continue through, especially with how quickly they're going to shoot these.

Oh, I'm sure they will -- whether it's necessary or not, we'll just have to see. But knowing JJ Abrams, who didn't know how to get on with his new Star Trek franchise without bringing Leonard Nimoy back again and again, I wouldn't be surprised. He seems to need to use the old cast as an anchor for his ship. I will say that at least it does make much more sense to do it with Luke in Star Wars than it did with original Spock in the new Star Trek.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Oh, I'm sure they will -- whether it's necessary or not, we'll just have to see. But knowing JJ Abrams, who didn't know how to get on with his new Star Trek franchise without bringing Leonard Nimoy back again and again, I wouldn't be surprised. He seems to need to use the old cast as an anchor for his ship. I will say that at least it does make much more sense to do it with Luke in Star Wars than it did with original Spock in the new Star Trek.

See, the only difference I see between the Spock's use in the new Star Trek films, and the new Star Wars, is it makes more sense to use Luke. It's more, well, logical. The use of Spock in Star Trek (2009) was actually really good, and more than fitting send off to the original timeline. And as much as I like seeing him again in Into Darkness, it was really, really unneeded. But I really think Kennedy, more than Abrams, is running the ship over there, and I think this is really more her than anyone else. She wants to make sure she wins back old fans, and using these characters again is a big step in doing that. Their usage now is all that stands between fans being happy and going fully into anarchy. But I think with Kasdan coming back to help with the script, there's a good chance this could be Empire Strikes Back levels of good. Especially Abrams behind the helm, because the man is a great director, he just uses too much lens flare. His Star Trek films though were basically demo reels for him doing Episode VII, so we just have to hope he, Kennedy, and Kasdan are able to pull this off.

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

See, the only difference I see between the Spock's use in the new Star Trek films, and the new Star Wars, is it makes more sense to use Luke. It's more, well, logical. The use of Spock in Star Trek (2009) was actually really good, and more than fitting send off to the original timeline. And as much as I like seeing him again in Into Darkness, it was really, really unneeded.

Totally agree with every word.

But I really think Kennedy, more than Abrams, is running the ship over there, and I think this is really more her than anyone else. She wants to make sure she wins back old fans, and using these characters again is a big step in doing that. Their usage now is all that stands between fans being happy and going fully into anarchy. But I think with Kasdan coming back to help with the script, there's a good chance this could be Empire Strikes Back levels of good. Especially Abrams behind the helm, because the man is a great director, he just uses too much lens flare. His Star Trek films though were basically demo reels for him doing Episode VII, so we just have to hope he, Kennedy, and Kasdan are able to pull this off.

I can't argue with you, because I agree and hope for the same. I just don't want it to become all about Luke, or especially Han or Leia. I want to actually like and appreciate the new cast.

I just watched Tron and Tron Legacy again this weekend, and I know comparing it to Star Wars is neither here nor there, but one thing I appreciate about Tron Legacy's story is that Jeff Bridges's Kevin Flynn character plays an important role, but the movie isn't all about Kevin Flynn, it's about his son Sam Flynn and what he experiences. That passing the generational torch aspect was actually done well with Tron Legacy, and I'd like to see the same with the Star Wars movies without totally abandoning what came before or without having it feel forced (We don't want another Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull, do we?).

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

Totally agree with every word.




I can't argue with you, because I agree and hope for the same. I just don't want it to become all about Luke, or especially Han or Leia. I want to actually like and appreciate the new cast.

I just watched Tron and Tron Legacy again this weekend, and I know comparing it to Star Wars is neither here nor there, but one thing I appreciate about Tron Legacy's story is that Jeff Bridges's Kevin Flynn character plays an important role, but the movie isn't all about Kevin Flynn, it's about his son Sam Flynn and what he experiences. That passing the generational torch aspect was actually done well with Tron Legacy, and I'd like to see the same with the Star Wars movies without totally abandoning what came before or without having it feel forced (We don't want another Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull, do we?).

I actually think your TRON: Legacy comparison is more than apt, and I completely agree. The way they handled the Sam Flynn storyline, while bringing back Kevin and finishing his story arc, was fantastic. I'd actually really like to believe that's what we're going to see here, and from the sounds of it, especially with Luke, I think that's exactly what we'll get. I think the only one we'll see a lot of in the first new film will be Han. But outside of that, I'm hoping Luke will be more like the Kevin Flynn of this series, or Alec Guinness of the OT, and be in it, but not as the central storyline.

As for Crystal Skull, there's a lot of problems with that film...But, I loved Ford's return to the role. It makes it at least worth a watch. It's just too bad so much of Lucas' ideas ruined a lot of what was happening around it. Still, it's a fun romp, but lets hope this is MUCH better.

[stvn1974]

As much as I loathe, hate and despise JJ Trek, Old Spock has to be in there for a split second to explain away why he isn't isn't consulted on every little thing the crew or Star Fleet faces.

Old Spock to Star Fleet: "you might not want to hunt wales into extinction, also if someone claims to know where God is he is a crackpot, nice chatting with you."

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

As much as I loathe, hate and despise JJ Trek, Old Spock has to be in there for a split second to explain away why he isn't isn't consulted on every little thing the crew or Star Fleet faces.

Nimoy's presence in Star Trek (2009) makes sense and is greatly appreciated, but having him appear in Into Darkness... all it does for me is remind me that there is another, even better Star Trek movie with Khan in it.

[sarah_wentworth]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

Darth Sideous = Darth Plagious. Or at least I like to think so. Or at least he was the apprentice of Darth Plagious. He told the story like he was reliving it.

do you mean Darth Sideous was really Darth Plagious or that they are equal in strength.

Originally Posted by Kirk Out

how so ? lets wait till episode VII before we jump the gun.

well i just watched a youtube video not long ago with Darth Sidious vs Vitiate and Darth Sidious looks pretty powerful. http://www.google.com/url?q=http://w...1UAMwU3ftys-Eg at the 11 minute mark it said Darth Sidious destroyed an entire legion of alliance ships with his powers

Originally Posted by DisneyBlu

But if Luke can literally move mountains or bring down ships with a glance, then Luke is the most powerful of all time. If Sidious were capable of that, he would have blinked and wiped out Yoda in 0.5 seconds in Episode III. If Sidious were that powerful he'd have had no need for an apprentice (despite the "rule of two"). He could take out entire armies without moving a muscle.

well Darth Sidious would have killed luke in ROTJ if Vader hadn't interfered. in this video at the 11 minute mark it says Darth Sidious destroyed an entire legion of alliance ships with his powers http://www.google.com/url?q=http://w...1UAMwU3ftys-Eg

[sarah_wentworth]

Originally Posted by aiman04

As of now, Vader is still the most powerful Force user, at least more powerful than Sidious.

Sidious to Yoda: "Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us."

Let's see if that will change in Episode VII.

he may have but he died in ROTJ. Vader was getting beat by luke yet Darth Sidious used force lightning and had luke crying until Vader saved him

Originally Posted by Kirk Out

good to hear , luke has always been my fav character and always will be.

mine is Darth Sidious. Star Wars 1-6 will always be about the rise and fall of Darth Sidious. hopefully he rises again in the new ones. i forget if it shows him dead at the end of ROTJ.

Grand Admiral Thrawn is a great character. wish he could be in the new ones

[Darkstream]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

mine is Darth Sidious. Star Wars 1-6 will always be about the rise and fall of Darth Sidious. hopefully he rises again in the new ones. i forget if it shows him dead at the end of ROTJ.

You just have a thing for the wicked, don't you? *Looking at your Pazuzu avatar*

[Packerfan75]

One thing that rings true for me is that the root of Star Wars is the Skywalker storyline. I don't see that changing here either. If someone from the OT is to branch the new trilogy, it'll probably be Luke. Hopefully, a much more mature, wiser and powerful Luke as the master and a child or children as the learners for the new generation.

[Falaskan]

I hope they don't bring Vader back unless it's via flashback. I'd rather Palpatine stay dead as well, but I hope Darth Plagious is in this, or some equally powerful sith. And if he's able to resurrect the dead (Palpatine) I'd be okay with that.

[SuperFlyHighGuy]

I think the only way it works having Vader come back is if Luke saved Vader's helmet/mask from the fire when he burned his body, and either Luke or someone else is using it to pose as Vader claiming he didn't die or was resurrected or such. Can't see the whole suit surviving the fire but maybe the helmet did and someone just makes another suit Maybe that is obvious to everyone and I just realized it lol

[Al_The_Strange]

I'll bet Vader comes back as a Force ghost (which means Hayden Christiansen might come back...uh oh...).

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Al_The_Strange

I'll bet Vader comes back as a Force ghost (which means Hayden Christiansen might come back...uh oh...).

I've said this a few times, but it bears repeating: Hayden should definitely return as Anakin's ghost. I'd love for him to have a scene with Mark, Carrie, or both.

[octagon]

Yeah, that wouldn't be at all awkward. The guy...

Murdered their mother.

Had Luke's aunt and uncle murdered.

Chopped off Luke's hand (after luring him into a trap by torturing his pal).

Blew up Leia's home planet (after torturing her in an attempt to find the location of the rebel base).

I think the phrase 'leave well enough alone' might apply here.

[Kirk Out]

Originally Posted by octagon

Yeah, that wouldn't be at all awkward. The guy...

Murdered their mother.

Had Luke's aunt and uncle murdered.

Chopped off Luke's hand (after luring him into a trap by torturing his pal).

Blew up Leia's home planet (after torturing her in an attempt to find the location of the rebel base).

I think the phrase 'leave well enough alone' might apply here.

correct but he didn't blow up leias planet.

[Al_The_Strange]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

I've said this a few times, but it bears repeating: Hayden should definitely return as Anakin's ghost. I'd love for him to have a scene with Mark, Carrie, or both.

Eh, I wouldn't mind.

Originally Posted by Kirk Out

correct but he didn't blow up leias planet.

No, he just made her watch.

[Kirk Out]

Originally Posted by Al_The_Strange

Eh, I wouldn't mind.



No, he just made her watch.

yeah what a sick bastard

[sarah_wentworth]

Originally Posted by Darkstream

You just have a thing for the wicked, don't you? *Looking at your Pazuzu avatar*

i think i do *gulp*

Originally Posted by Falaskan

I hope they don't bring Vader back unless it's via flashback. I'd rather Palpatine stay dead as well, but I hope Darth Plagious is in this, or some equally powerful sith. And if he's able to resurrect the dead (Palpatine) I'd be okay with that.

that would be cool. i would like Palpatine to come back. i was hoping the Emperor had a clone of himself on the 2nd Death Star instead of him being there since it was also kind of incomplete like the first one and a risk

[Cook]

Originally Posted by octagon

Yeah, that wouldn't be at all awkward. The guy...

Murdered their mother.

Had Luke's aunt and uncle murdered.

Chopped off Luke's hand (after luring him into a trap by torturing his pal).

Blew up Leia's home planet (after torturing her in an attempt to find the location of the rebel base).

I think the phrase 'leave well enough alone' might apply here.

Agreed.

Imo Anakin isnt a good guy even after redemption. The Dark Side can't make you do something. It just enhances and exposes the darkness within. Anakin as we saw with the sand people was always capable of doing unspeakable things. So even tho he saved his son he still did all that horrible shit before he was redeemed. Redemption doesn't wipe the slate. The only thing that ever held Anakin together was the friends and loved ones around him, and when he lost them he just lost it and became a monster and that is not the marks of a good person or a strong person. The second he had no one to live up to and be good for he became a monster. In short Anakin has the moral fortitude of a steaming pile of dogshit. If he found any kind of small decency and humanity in his redemption he will recognize this flaw in himself and remain in solitude and exile as punishment for all the awful shit he did.

Now, there's an argument to be made that his judgement was clouded, but that's a slippery slope and if we use that argument then where do we stop? Was Palpatine's judgement clouded long ago? What about any number of Sith? My point is Anakn is responsible and he and we can't absolve him of his sins by saying the Darkside made him do it.

Just my opinion. I'm sure people will disagree.