The best way to watch Clones is with a remote in one hand and booze in the other.
Just don't turn it into a drinking game where you do a shot every time you hit chapter forward.
That can get pretty messy pretty quick.
You know what's fun? Switch the audio to French with English subtitles during parts of the movie like the fireplace scene and pretend you're watching a foreign film. It's amazing
You know what's fun? Switch the audio to French with English subtitles during parts of the movie like the fireplace scene and pretend you're watching a foreign film. It's amazing
I actually just watched Attack of the Clones last night. Except for some awkward Naboo scenes, overall it's a really good film. The narrative flows really well, there are a lot to like. The conversation between Obi-Wan and Jango was intense. I would say it shows Lucas is still a very good storyteller and director, only some dialogue and acting he's having a lot of struggle I have to admit. This is true to all the prequels. If the leaks about The Force Awakens is true, they sounds like a story that would came from Lucas himself. I'm glad Lawrence Kasdan is back to flesh out his ideas.
I suggest you give it a try again with an open mind, just have the remote in your hands to fast forward the Anakin/Padme scenes if you find it offending.
I've seen it actually quite a few times-- we're just not watching the same movie!
I don't want to harp on it, but basically I feel that the movie is just 2 hours of Obi Wan wandering around figuring out an overly-convoluted plot about Siefer Dius and a clone army, intertwined with a cringy love story with Anakin and Padme. In the midst of all of that is one cool fight scene with Jango Fett, some cool sonic-boom explosions in an asteroid field at one point, and then a sort-of entertaining but seizure-incuding chaotic battle with clones and droids.
I'd say about a good 15 minutes of the run-time is genuinely good and entertaining.
The original debate was not about the quality of the films (though I would still defend), but about them "being loathed by the majority". I firmly believe it's not, to the general public worldwide. If you don't accept the fact of ticket sales or RT ratings, then what did he has to support his statement?
I've seen it actually quite a few times-- we're just not watching the same movie!
I don't want to harp on it, but basically I feel that the movie is just 2 hours of Obi Wan wandering around figuring out an overly-convoluted plot about Siefer Dius and a clone army, intertwined with a cringy love story with Anakin and Padme. In the midst of all of that is one cool fight scene with Jango Fett, some cool sonic-boom explosions in an asteroid field at one point, and then a sort-of entertaining but seizure-incuding chaotic battle with clones and droids.
I'd say about a good 15 minutes of the run-time is genuinely good and entertaining.
Fair enough. I respect everyone's opinion. Hope the next episode will be enjoyable for all of us.
The original debate was not about the quality of the films (though I would still defend), but about them "being loathed by the majority". I firmly believe it's not, to the general public worldwide. If you don't accept the fact of ticket sales or RT ratings, then what did he has to support his statement?
Fair enough, 'loathed by the majority' is definitely not defensible. Strictly speaking the majority of the world's population hasn't even seem them. If there's a majority feeling at all among those who have seem them it's probably generally positive. The people with strong feelings either way probably don't account for that high a percentage of the viewing public.
But that's just me thinking out loud. Who really knows.
Ok, thanks to Elvis we've now had a couple of pages of prequel bickering and this is the Episode VII thread. So does anybody have any new plot rumours or guesses as to who will be playing who? I hope Boba Fett is not in the movie myself only 'cause the average movie goer will not know the Extended Universe story of his escape after "Jedi."
The original debate was not about the quality of the films (though I would still defend), but about them "being loathed by the majority". I firmly believe it's not, to the general public worldwide. If you don't accept the fact of ticket sales or RT ratings, then what did he has to support his statement?
Well that's the point-- you can't support any statements like that. It's all relative to personal experience. I don't know anyone personally that likes the prequels-- the only time I've seen people that defend them as good is on Star Wars message boards. When I saw Episode II at the theater, everybody was muttering afterward how bad it was. Also people laughed at moments that weren't supposed to be funny. So I might get the impression that generally nobody likes them except for a few die-hard fans.
But that's not necessarily true, I have no idea what "most" people think about them. Maybe most people thought it was okay but haven't even thought about the movie since 2002. Who knows? It's just a pointless thing to try to argue that nobody can back up.
And who cares anyway? Don't let anybody tell you what to like or what you're supposed to like because of general opinion or SOCIETY or whatever. I loved Machete Kills. F#^% everybody!
Well that's the point-- you can't support any statements like that. It's all relative to personal experience. I don't know anyone personally that likes the prequels-- the only time I've seen people that defend them as good is on Star Wars message boards. When I saw Episode II at the theater, everybody was muttering afterward how bad it was. Also people laughed at moments that weren't supposed to be funny. So I might get the impression that generally nobody likes them except for a few die-hard fans.
But that's not necessarily true, I have no idea what "most" people think about them. Maybe most people thought it was okay but haven't even thought about the movie since 2002. Who knows? It's just a pointless thing to try to argue that nobody can back up.
And who cares anyway? Don't let anybody tell you what to like or what you're supposed to like because of general opinion or SOCIETY or whatever. I loved Machete Kills. F#^% everybody!
Never understood why people will defend a movie like Attack of the Clones. There have been big budget movies that fans and critics throw under the bus in a heartbeat.
Boba's look was already established in ep. 2...Sydow does not have any of his look not even skin color.
You must have missed my post about the low, low, low skin whitening treatment that the stomach of the sarlaac provides. For proven results, please look at the example provided...the before is much darker than your before, and the after is far whiter! Treatment is cheap and easy, although not without some minor skin damage and/or possible loss of limbs but hey--easily replaced by cyborg parts!
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Originally Posted by Terminated
Maybe Sidious disfigured him on Naboo used his name, and took his place in the senate, and forced him to go into hiding on Tatooine??
Interesting theory, but if true we didn't see the original Palpatine.
If it isn't fett, then I suppose it could be Palpatine's spirit that entered the body of someone else. That would be cheesier than Fett, albeit done in the EU.
Of all the 'riddles' and mysteries surrounding the next film, I am not ashamed to say that this one has me the most curious and excited.
Watch it be Cliegg Lars.
And as for Attack of the Clones, I enjoyed it very much. Sure, we had to deal with Hayden Christenson at his worse, but that's offset by Natalie Portman sporting a belly shirt almost the entire film.
None of the prequels are as good as the original trilogy, but this was a very fun film IMHO.
Rumor] Potential 4chan Episode VII Leak Part 2 and ..
Here is part 2 of the leaked info on (reddit.com)Beware lots of info including clarification on certain issues.
[Show spoiler]
The premise of the film is that the Force has become stronger and more potent. There is a great tremor in the Force early in the film; those familiar with the Force feel as if its fundamental nature has somehow changed, while previously oblivious Force-sensitive individuals suddenly realize that they have a gift. This creates a great dichotomy of where to go, because neither Luke nor the antagonists are ready for this new liberation of awareness.
Following the repression of the Empire and the Jedi purge, the Force is finally manifesting itself in more people who have the capacity to use it. In this context, it appears as if the Force wants to be used.
John Boyega, Luke Skywalker, and Daisy Ridley
Boyega is, for all intents and purposes, the “new Luke Skywalker” (with a touch of Han Solo thrown in). He realizes he’s Force-sensitive when he feels the aforementioned tremor.
Boyega is an orphan.
Boyega, Daisy, and Adam Driver are all weak in terms of the Force throughout the film.
Luke has trained seven Jedi since Endor, two of whom surface in the third act. It is unknown whether Lupita Nyong’o’s character is included in this distinction.
In terms of character nature, Luke is like Yoda’s successor.
No mention is made of Luke having a child.
Palpatine is referenced a couple of times, particularly regarding his role and the decisions he made during Luke’s temptation and resistance in Return of the Jedi.
Luke went into seclusion following an event post-Endor that has caused him to become hesitant when using his power to its full extent. He’s not really hiding, but rather hoping to keep attention off of his activities.
People think Luke is a bit of a kook given his 20 year absence, but he is said to have a purpose and plan behind his decisions. He’s a bit of an urban legend by the time the film starts.
Luke has come to the conclusion that the Jedi are not meant to be an open, quasi-police force like they were in the prequels. He has a close connection to the living Force, and he believes balance must be maintained through a lack of interference in the mundane conflicts of the galaxy. Luke’s contention is that the Jedi, while still needing to promote peace, order, and harmony, cannot actively become servants for any government – including the Republic. Past events and the demise of the old order are said to have taught him that.
He is also said to be in contact with Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon in addition to Yoda.
Luke does not die, turn evil, or go crazy.
Daisy Ridley’s character, "Kira", has been raised incognito to both keep her safe from Inquisitors and from traitors within the Republic.
Kira's ball droid is not related to R2D2, and its existence was apparently requisitioned by Disney.
She inherits Luke’s original blue lightsaber in the first act of the film.
Luke’s lightsaber is said to be one of the things that sets the entire film into motion.
Han, Leia, Oscar Isaac, and Domhnall Gleeson
Leia has been the Republic leader for some 30 years.
Han and Leia are married.
Han does not die in the film. With that being said, his death is apparently being planned for Episode VIII. I would remind you all, however, that his death was also planned for Episode VI.
The Falcon has been retrofitted by Solo and it is implied that he has had a couple of adventures these past 30 odd years, with and without Leia.
The X-Wings in the trailer are on Yavin.
There are Blue, Red, and Gold fighter squadrons in the film.
Oscar Isaac’s character, "Darklighter", is stationed on Yavin. He is the leader of Blue Squadron.
Han calls Isaac’s character “kid”, much to his annoyance.
Domhnall Gleeson’s character is an Imperial officer who defects to the Republic. He is described as a “wingman” that joins the core cadre of good guys.
Adam Driver, Andy Serkis, Max Von Sydow, and Boba Fett
Adam Driver’s character is the leader of Red Squadron. He is a hot shot fighter axe with dreams of grandeur, and has an ominous fascination with power and the Sith. He collects items relating to their order and has a close relationship with a past character who may or may not have fallen to the Dark Side.
The hilt on the lightsaber he builds (the one from the trailer) is said to not function as a crossguard.
Driver is largely untrained in the Force as of Episode VII.
Andy Serkis’ species is one we have never seen before.
Serkis’ machinations and outlook are very different from Palpatine’s. He believes the Rule of Two is a foolish edict and considers Palpatine as having made a couple of mistakes.
We will learn who trained Serkis in the third act.
Serkis is described as “legit”, and a “worthy foe to [Luke]”.
Max Von Sydow’s character is not Boba Fett, Darth Maul, or Mace Windu.
While Sydow’s identity is a surprise, it’s not necessarily earth-shattering. It’s the sort of thing that hardcore fans would be excited about, but overly casual fans likely won’t realize the significance of. Sydow’s identity does have meaning, but you need to know the context.
Boba Fett does appear, albeit very briefly.
The Expanded Universe
While the EU is disregarded whenever it interferes with the story trying to be told, apparently a few elements from the Del Rey / Bantam books have become legitimate. For example, Boba Fett’s short story in Tales from Jabba’s Palace is assumed to be how he escaped.
No EU characters are used.
Darth Revan is not in the film, and the mask that Adam Driver’s character wears did not belong to him.
Planets
The Scandanavian esque planet is called Sullarn (as of the film's second draft), and it exists mostly in the film’s third act.
The planets visited in the film are Tatooine, Yavin, Coruscant, Sullarn, and a final fifth planet from the third act.
Tatooine is only seen in the first act (the Cantina and Garindan make appearances) and Coruscant is seen very briefly. Two parallel storylines converge on Sullarn, where the film’s climax takes place.
Sullarn is said to be like Taiga at its best, and the arctic at its worst.
General Information
There are many visual throwbacks to the prequel trilogy. A lot of conventional props, masks, and prosthetics will be used.
There is no kissing in the movie, no blood, no Benedict Cumberbatch, no Watto, and no black antagonists.
“I am your father” esque twists are trying to be saved/concocted for Episode VIII.
Rebels will have connections to Episode VII, particularly regarding the Inquisitors. Disney has dictated the deep and thorough implementation of the Inquisitors into the Rebels storyline.
Disney has apparently interfered in several matters regarding the film. That, coupled with "oversights", is causing Abrams great stress; Spoiler Man describes him as looking "10 years older every time we see him" and having no love lost for Disney at this point.
There are three lightsaber battles in the film. Two of the three illustrate the vast skill gap between the combatants, and the third is “magnificent”, “heavy hitting”, and “original-trilogy styled”.
The Empire is said to become more of a secondary foe as the new trilogy progresses.
The film is apparently on par (quality wise) with Episode IV. "I'd say its as good as A New Hope", Spoiler Man says when asked which film it measures up to.
Spoiler Man claims to have seen the script and some raw footage/dailies. He has great respect for Kasdan.
He contends that everything he says will be “95% correct”, but also that Disney and Lucasfilm are actively leaking fake information to spin things different ways and throw people off. In February, the influx of information both true and false will result in apparent contradictions.
Ali Arikan is said to be one of the mouthpieces for the fake spins.
Spoiler Man’s last message is that we “don’t fall to the spin machine”.
Sydow is Plageuis. Calling it, calling it, calling it.
And if what I just read was true...then a whole lot of "Luke is a kook who turns to the Dark Side" rumor monger web sites are going to need a whole lot of towels to wipe the egg off their face.
Last edited by Ernest Rister; 12-04-2014 at 01:11 PM.
Here is part 2 of the leaked info on (reddit.com)Beware lots of info including clarification on certain issues.
[Show spoiler]
The premise of the film is that the Force has become stronger and more potent. There is a great tremor in the Force early in the film; those familiar with the Force feel as if its fundamental nature has somehow changed, while previously oblivious Force-sensitive individuals suddenly realize that they have a gift. This creates a great dichotomy of where to go, because neither Luke nor the antagonists are ready for this new liberation of awareness.
Following the repression of the Empire and the Jedi purge, the Force is finally manifesting itself in more people who have the capacity to use it. In this context, it appears as if the Force wants to be used.
John Boyega, Luke Skywalker, and Daisy Ridley
Boyega is, for all intents and purposes, the “new Luke Skywalker” (with a touch of Han Solo thrown in). He realizes he’s Force-sensitive when he feels the aforementioned tremor.
Boyega is an orphan.
Boyega, Daisy, and Adam Driver are all weak in terms of the Force throughout the film.
Luke has trained seven Jedi since Endor, two of whom surface in the third act. It is unknown whether Lupita Nyong’o’s character is included in this distinction.
In terms of character nature, Luke is like Yoda’s successor.
No mention is made of Luke having a child.
Palpatine is referenced a couple of times, particularly regarding his role and the decisions he made during Luke’s temptation and resistance in Return of the Jedi.
Luke went into seclusion following an event post-Endor that has caused him to become hesitant when using his power to its full extent. He’s not really hiding, but rather hoping to keep attention off of his activities.
People think Luke is a bit of a kook given his 20 year absence, but he is said to have a purpose and plan behind his decisions. He’s a bit of an urban legend by the time the film starts.
Luke has come to the conclusion that the Jedi are not meant to be an open, quasi-police force like they were in the prequels. He has a close connection to the living Force, and he believes balance must be maintained through a lack of interference in the mundane conflicts of the galaxy. Luke’s contention is that the Jedi, while still needing to promote peace, order, and harmony, cannot actively become servants for any government – including the Republic. Past events and the demise of the old order are said to have taught him that.
He is also said to be in contact with Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon in addition to Yoda.
Luke does not die, turn evil, or go crazy.
Daisy Ridley’s character, "Kira", has been raised incognito to both keep her safe from Inquisitors and from traitors within the Republic.
Kira's ball droid is not related to R2D2, and its existence was apparently requisitioned by Disney.
She inherits Luke’s original blue lightsaber in the first act of the film.
Luke’s lightsaber is said to be one of the things that sets the entire film into motion.
Han, Leia, Oscar Isaac, and Domhnall Gleeson
Leia has been the Republic leader for some 30 years.
Han and Leia are married.
Han does not die in the film. With that being said, his death is apparently being planned for Episode VIII. I would remind you all, however, that his death was also planned for Episode VI.
The Falcon has been retrofitted by Solo and it is implied that he has had a couple of adventures these past 30 odd years, with and without Leia.
The X-Wings in the trailer are on Yavin.
There are Blue, Red, and Gold fighter squadrons in the film.
Oscar Isaac’s character, "Darklighter", is stationed on Yavin. He is the leader of Blue Squadron.
Han calls Isaac’s character “kid”, much to his annoyance.
Domhnall Gleeson’s character is an Imperial officer who defects to the Republic. He is described as a “wingman” that joins the core cadre of good guys.
Adam Driver, Andy Serkis, Max Von Sydow, and Boba Fett
Adam Driver’s character is the leader of Red Squadron. He is a hot shot fighter axe with dreams of grandeur, and has an ominous fascination with power and the Sith. He collects items relating to their order and has a close relationship with a past character who may or may not have fallen to the Dark Side.
The hilt on the lightsaber he builds (the one from the trailer) is said to not function as a crossguard.
Driver is largely untrained in the Force as of Episode VII.
Andy Serkis’ species is one we have never seen before.
Serkis’ machinations and outlook are very different from Palpatine’s. He believes the Rule of Two is a foolish edict and considers Palpatine as having made a couple of mistakes.
We will learn who trained Serkis in the third act.
Serkis is described as “legit”, and a “worthy foe to [Luke]”.
Max Von Sydow’s character is not Boba Fett, Darth Maul, or Mace Windu.
While Sydow’s identity is a surprise, it’s not necessarily earth-shattering. It’s the sort of thing that hardcore fans would be excited about, but overly casual fans likely won’t realize the significance of. Sydow’s identity does have meaning, but you need to know the context.
Boba Fett does appear, albeit very briefly.
The Expanded Universe
While the EU is disregarded whenever it interferes with the story trying to be told, apparently a few elements from the Del Rey / Bantam books have become legitimate. For example, Boba Fett’s short story in Tales from Jabba’s Palace is assumed to be how he escaped.
No EU characters are used.
Darth Revan is not in the film, and the mask that Adam Driver’s character wears did not belong to him.
Planets
The Scandanavian esque planet is called Sullarn (as of the film's second draft), and it exists mostly in the film’s third act.
The planets visited in the film are Tatooine, Yavin, Coruscant, Sullarn, and a final fifth planet from the third act.
Tatooine is only seen in the first act (the Cantina and Garindan make appearances) and Coruscant is seen very briefly. Two parallel storylines converge on Sullarn, where the film’s climax takes place.
Sullarn is said to be like Taiga at its best, and the arctic at its worst.
General Information
There are many visual throwbacks to the prequel trilogy. A lot of conventional props, masks, and prosthetics will be used.
There is no kissing in the movie, no blood, no Benedict Cumberbatch, no Watto, and no black antagonists.
“I am your father” esque twists are trying to be saved/concocted for Episode VIII.
Rebels will have connections to Episode VII, particularly regarding the Inquisitors. Disney has dictated the deep and thorough implementation of the Inquisitors into the Rebels storyline.
Disney has apparently interfered in several matters regarding the film. That, coupled with "oversights", is causing Abrams great stress; Spoiler Man describes him as looking "10 years older every time we see him" and having no love lost for Disney at this point.
There are three lightsaber battles in the film. Two of the three illustrate the vast skill gap between the combatants, and the third is “magnificent”, “heavy hitting”, and “original-trilogy styled”.
The Empire is said to become more of a secondary foe as the new trilogy progresses.
The film is apparently on par (quality wise) with Episode IV. "I'd say its as good as A New Hope", Spoiler Man says when asked which film it measures up to.
Spoiler Man claims to have seen the script and some raw footage/dailies. He has great respect for Kasdan.
He contends that everything he says will be “95% correct”, but also that Disney and Lucasfilm are actively leaking fake information to spin things different ways and throw people off. In February, the influx of information both true and false will result in apparent contradictions.
Ali Arikan is said to be one of the mouthpieces for the fake spins.
Spoiler Man’s last message is that we “don’t fall to the spin machine”.
I'm too deep into this, the dark side is too strong. Bring on Part 3 SpoilerMan!
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Originally Posted by aiman04
My guess is that The Awakening is when the Force (can I say midichlorians?) finds more hosts and gives power to those who had none before, not genetically inherited. Some might turn to the Dark side (i.e Adam Driver) and some to the Light (i.e. John Boyega).
All the rumors are very exciting, but only one thing doesn't make sense.Why would Kira be abandoned and raised like an orphan? If her parents are trying to hide her, I would've think of better ways to do it. But I like how she's an inventor like her grandfather.
Hey, I've said it first!
But I think Andy Serkis will be Sifo-Dyas. Obi-Wan wasn't sure of him being killed, he might be in hiding ever since. The Awakening is changing that.
Sydow is Sidious. Calling it, calling it, calling it.
And if what I just read was true...then a whole lot of "Luke is a kook who turns to the Dark Side and kills Han Solo" rumor mongers are going to need a whole lot of towels to wipe the egg off their face.
Sydow is Sidious. Calling it, calling it, calling it.
And if what I just read was true...then a whole lot of "Luke is a kook who turns to the Dark Side" rumor monger web sites are going to need a whole lot of towels to wipe the egg off their face.
I thought you were set on plagueis..
I am thinking he will be Lars, wedge or Organa since it is not fett going off the source. We can't forget his claims of NOT being force sensitive... Ruling out ALL previous Sith, Jedi, or force users of any capacity.
If he is an alien, I guess it could be Greedo.
In context, Organa would make the most sense in terms of watching the daughter of Leia but he may not match age wise, I would have to do the math.
Last edited by manunited1; 12-04-2014 at 01:29 PM.
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