Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (USE SPOILER TAGS!)

[aiman04]

Apparently.

[Guydowood]

Originally Posted by aiman04

Von Sydow's character revealed:

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paint that beard white and you got a mafia style Poppa Smurf!

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by kemcha

JJ needs to lighten up and start releasing behind the scenes information and at least satisfy some of the fans for what they want to know about the film. Hell, by now, we should have already seen a brief 'synopsis preview' about the film.

We didn't know much about Empire or Jedi before they opened. Today's generation is truly A.D.D. and spoiled. "Give it to me NOW!!!!"

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

We didn't know much about Empire or Jedi before they opened. Today's generation is truly A.D.D. and spoiled. "Give it to me NOW!!!!"

Veruca Salt - I Want It Now (Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory) - YouTube

[kemcha]

That may be true. I know that I remember my parents taking me and my brother to see the original Star Wars movie in theaters back in 1977. I remember thinking, 'oh great, another World War II movie', because our dad was a big fan of westerns and war films. We were very young when we saw that movie. What did we know.

Imagine the happiness in our eyes when we saw space and that massive Star Destroyer crawl across the screen. I think those of us who are older have an appreciation to being surprised. But, I think JJ Abrams is a moron because he conned the majority of Hollywood into not releasing any information about the films they were producing.

I think JJ could take a lesson from how Marvel Studios markets its films. They don't give you a lot, but they also don't leave their fans out in the dark. After the first Iron Man, Marvel discovered that you can't prevent photos, video and information from leaking but if you get ahead of the bandwagon, you can control what is released and that it's of better quality than the fans leaking that crap.

[Foggy]

Firstly, you gave us an anecdote about how fulfilling it is to go into a film not knowing much, then call the director a moron for trying not to give away too much of his own film. Talk about oxymoron.

Secondly, it's out in a year, why do you want to know everything now if we have so much time between now and when it's out?

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by kemcha

That may be true. I know that I remember my parents taking me and my brother to see the original Star Wars movie in theaters back in 1977. I remember thinking, 'oh great, another World War II movie', because our dad was a big fan of westerns and war films. We were very young when we saw that movie. What did we know.

Imagine the happiness in our eyes when we saw space and that massive Star Destroyer crawl across the screen. I think those of us who are older have an appreciation to being surprised. But, I think JJ Abrams is a moron because he conned the majority of Hollywood into not releasing any information about the films they were producing.

I think JJ could take a lesson from how Marvel Studios markets its films. They don't give you a lot, but they also don't leave their fans out in the dark. After the first Iron Man, Marvel discovered that you can't prevent photos, video and information from leaking but if you get ahead of the bandwagon, you can control what is released and that it's of better quality than the fans leaking that crap.

You think he's a moron, really? You can't simply say you disagree with him, and leave at that?

Let me ask you this: Would you say that to JJ in person?

[Elvis]

[QUOTE=AaronJ;10118741]You think he's a moron, really? You can't simply say you disagree with him, and leave at that?

Let me ask you this: Would you say that to JJ in person?[/QUOTE]


I damn sure would....I would let him know just how much he jacked Star Trek up and how Gene must be rolling in his grave. Part of me wants a great Star Wars film (although I highly doubt it) but then part of me wants him to do whatever it is to Star Wars that would make Lucas launch himself into orbit.

[The Fallen Deity]

[quote=Elvis;10118836]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

You think he's a moron, really? You can't simply say you disagree with him, and leave at that?

Let me ask you this: Would you say that to JJ in person?[/QUOTE]


I damn sure would....I would let him know just how much he jacked Star Trek up and how Gene must be rolling in his grave. Part of me wants a great Star Wars film (although I highly doubt it) but then part of me wants him to do whatever it is to Star Wars that would make Lucas launch himself into orbit.

Have you stopped to think that maybe Gene Roddenberry might have liked the J.J. Abrams movies if he was still around to see them?

[Elvis]

[quote=The Fallen Deity;10118898]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Have you stopped to think that maybe Gene Roddenberry might have liked the J.J. Abrams movies if he was still around to see them?

You mean by making them so "un star trek" like? Hmm good point, you may be right.

[rickah88]

Star Wars Episode VII, looks like it will be a phenomenal film! Can't wait for the film saga to continue!

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by wormraper

I call bull on that one (not meant to be aimed at you personally). This type of attitude has ALWAYS been prevalent. people *****ed about movies for DECADES. all that's changed is that we get instant knowledge of the rest of the world's pleasure or displeasure due to the internet. It's the same thing with crime. people are all thinking that we're in the middle of some crime crisis, but in reality we're lower than we've been in many decades (the 70's to be precises), but the media and the internet is there to make us all feel like it's happening so much more than it used to.

Games and Movies are doing just fine, Movies are declining from their PEAK, for the simple fact that video games and other digital pasttimes are coming up and are popular. the public only has so much time to spend and if something is new and exciting it will pull from the same pie of consumers that Movies has to pull from too, meaning less for one, but more for another

I have to completely disagree. People didn't have the outlets to ***** about movies. I don't remember exactly when I saw "TESB" theatrically, but it wasn't anywhere near opening week and yet when I went I did not yet know that Vader was Luke's father.

Movies are not doing "just fine". While grosses are high, profits are relatively low because of high budgets and insane marketing costs. And ticket sales are consistently down in the U.S. Do you know when the peak year for movie attendance in the U.S. was? 1946! In 1946, 61% of the U.S. population went to the movies in any given week. In 2013, that number was 8.13%. In 1946, box-office was $1.629 billion ($20.57 billion in 2014 dollars). In 2013, box-office was $10.83 billion, although that was very slightly up from 2010, 2011 and 2012.

While it's true that each entertainment industry is cannibalizing the other, it still means that individual industries and companies are getting hurt. If there was originally one supermarket on my block that got 100% of the business and now there are ten, each getting 10% of the business, even though the total dollars spent are the same, no one is making a profit and none can survive.

The main reason the studios are surviving is because of international sales and especially ticket revenue from China, but this also means that films are being created more and more to please such audiences, which means more comic book and action crap and far fewer stories about aspects of western culture that wouldn't appeal to Chinese audiences, either because of language difficulties or because of differences in culture.

In any case, I don't think anyone can argue that pre-internet film bashing had anywhere near the impact of the bashing that takes place today. The one exception may have been Citizen Kane, but that bashing was done by the press, not by the public.

[jbloggs]

Frankly...I don't wan't to know anything about the movie. So can the mod please close this thread

[Mandalorian]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Star Wars Episode VII, looks like it will be a phenomenal film! Can't wait for the film saga to continue!

Amen, and Abrams' Star Trek films are great.

[stvn1974]

[quote=The Fallen Deity;10118898]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Have you stopped to think that maybe Gene Roddenberry might have liked the J.J. Abrams movies if he was still around to see them?

Roddenberry didn't even like the films with the original crew that came out in his lifetime. He was pissed when Kirk

[Show spoiler]shot and killed the slug thing that crawled out of Chekov's ear with a phaser in Wrath Of Khan.

I really doubt he would have liked the Abrams Star Trek 90210 version.

I am going to give Abrams the benefit of doubt before coming to a judgment on this Star Wars film since I haven't seen it yet. Lucas set the bar so low with the prequels and the special editions that to go even lower would require a shovel.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by manunited1

The fact is, this teaser could have been the most mind blowing thing of all time and people would still have reacted the same and we would still have non Star Wars fans on here saying it still does nothing for them.

It's not the non-Star Wars fans that are the problem, it's the so-called fans who bash it that are the problem. Star Wars has the biggest fans, almost all of whom seem to hate just about everything about it. There's this fantasy that the OT as originally released would make everything all right again, but I think people who believe that are fooling themselves. I can guarantee that even if Disney does release this (and I have my doubts), they'll still find much to complain about. They'll claim the color is off, or that the audio mix is different or that there's three frames that are different than when they saw it 37 years ago or that there are garbage mattes, etc, etc. Lucas may have ruined their childhood, but the ability to complain endlessly in their adulthood seems to be the only thing that keeps them going.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

I have to completely disagree. People didn't have the outlets to ***** about movies. I don't remember exactly when I saw "TESB" theatrically, but it wasn't anywhere near opening week and yet when I went I did not yet know that Vader was Luke's father.

Movies are not doing "just fine". While grosses are high, profits are relatively low because of high budgets and insane marketing costs. And ticket sales are consistently down in the U.S. Do you know when the peak year for movie attendance in the U.S. was? 1946! In 1946, 61% of the U.S. population went to the movies in any given week. In 2013, that number was 8.13%. In 1946, box-office was $1.629 billion ($20.57 billion in 2014 dollars). In 2013, box-office was $10.83 billion, although that was very slightly up from 2010, 2011 and 2012.

While it's true that each entertainment industry is cannibalizing the other, it still means that individual industries and companies are getting hurt. If there was originally one supermarket on my block that got 100% of the business and now there are ten, each getting 10% of the business, even though the total dollars spent are the same, no one is making a profit and none can survive.

The main reason the studios are surviving is because of international sales and especially ticket revenue from China, but this also means that films are being created more and more to please such audiences, which means more comic book and action crap and far fewer stories about aspects of western culture that wouldn't appeal to Chinese audiences, either because of language difficulties or because of differences in culture.

In any case, I don't think anyone can argue that pre-internet film bashing had anywhere near the impact of the bashing that takes place today. The one exception may have been Citizen Kane, but that bashing was done by the press, not by the public.

But they are THE SAME COMPANIES!

Comcast, Disney, Time-Warner (until Comcast buys them), Viacom, etc. In the end, I'm not sure whether Comcast cares whether they get my money one way or the other. Does T-W care whether I buy a movie ticket at a theater or pay every month for HBO? And on and on.

[Sylentwolf]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

There are a hundred people on a movie set and there are probably a thousand once the film goes into post-production, especially at the special effects houses.

And that maybe why we've seen studios, who release films for "Screeners"on disk/digital/etc to Academy Award driven voters, with a banner below the screener that are "watermarked"referencing something to the fact of "Restricted for the Academy Voting Public Only."

Whether these leaked "Screeners" are the job of hackers or not, I believe Hollywood does this on purpose, to project the movie further into the general public. A public who may just be dismissing the movie altogether or ignoring Hollywood's publicity altogether. It's all one big publicity stunt nonetheless, and Hollywood still makes it's billions.

AND... as you've said before

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

But on the other hand, I think it's actually in the studio's interest to maintain fan interest in the film by leaking out little bits of info here and there.

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

if everything about the film is known before release, it's really going to spoil the film for everyone.

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

The big problem is that people are going to be talking (and bad-mouthing) this film for the next year and by the time it's released, everyone's going to decide that they already hate it.

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

all this internet ridiculousness is really starting to hurt various industries.

Not unless you're someone, like the thousands and/or millions of people, that don't pay attention to those "leaks" and "spoilers," especially on here. People will avoid being "spoiled" altogether. After watching the first teaser trailer of Star Wars: The Force Awakens, I'm completely satisfied. Nevertheless, why on Earth should I dive into any other such materials, only to ruin my viewing pleasure of any film that I'm really anticipating

I patiently waited with anticipation for Captain America: Winter Soldier, Edge of Tomorrow, Guardians of the Galaxy, as well as Interstellar and X-Men: Days of Future Past, and though I was disappointed with 'Guardians', I was delighted with "Winter Soldier," 'Edge,' 'Stellar,' and "X-Men."

Anything leaked by Hollywood was and has been for the soul purpose of "keeping the people talking," but I believe it is drastically "backfiring" inside Hollywood as well as for many struggling studios. Piracy is what is ruining Hollywood's reputation, it has run-a-muck, and it will only increase as our digital world increases.

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Just as we can't get decent politicians to run for office anymore because they don't want the hassle of having every single detail of their lives explored and because the press is far more interested in the "gotcha" moment

This isn't the place or time to speak of government officials, who really are serving their own "best interest," but all politicians have been "self-serving" since the day the United States forefathers signed the Constitution. We are all sheep, and they are just playing a game with our lives. It's a "tug-of-war" and we are the rope. BTW, we are losing something from them everyday.

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

best directors will give up because they won't want to go through what Lucas has gone through. Just as many actors are finding more fulfillment in cable-TV, I think the best directors will eventually head there as well.[/

If we as a film society have "ruined" their chances on the "Big Screen," there's no running way from the wave of critics, no matter what the Directors new "medium" is. Whether it's Film or Cable, critics and fans will follow and talk. There's no running way from the "s*** storm" that could follow any film. There are just as many new shows being canceled as there are being made. Not many will survive, and for the ones that do, many people will follow, many people will not

Studios are struggling with fans, With very few studios doing or making something other than "Remakes, "Reboots," and "Sequels." And with those types of films having been on the forefront of many Hollywood articles as well as on many studios' desk for the last two decades, things look a little grim. If Hollywood films, that are considered "misses," outnumber the those considered "hits," then studios in Hollywood and around the world need to hear what society is asking for, and not the other way around. Hollywood is pushing "their" agenda due to time and budgets, and by trying to force them to do anything else is all "one big risk." Producing one "risky" film, for five "remakes," "reboots," and/or "sequels" is fine by them

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

It's not the non-Star Wars fans that are the problem, it's the so-called fans who bash it that are the problem. Star Wars has the biggest fans, almost all of whom seem to hate just about everything about it. There's this fantasy that the OT as originally released would make everything all right again, but I think people who believe that are fooling themselves. I can guarantee that even if Disney does release this (and I have my doubts), they'll still find much to complain about. They'll claim the color is off, or that the audio mix is different or that there's three frames that are different than when they saw it 37 years ago or that there are garbage mattes, etc, etc. Lucas may have ruined their childhood, but the ability to complain endlessly in their adulthood seems to be the only thing that keeps them going.

No doubt about it.
There are some(poor souls) who will just find fault in anything Star Wars. You can already hear the JJ Abrams ire start to brew.
Hitchcock could rise from the dead to direct this film(a feat of awe in itself which some fans would bash), and bitter Star Wars fan would complain about too many Dolly Zoom effects.
There's just no pleasing some people. Message boards just give them an easy avenue to vent their rage as I'm sure their friends/family have already heard enough over the last decade.

[manunited1]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

But they are THE SAME COMPANIES!

Comcast, Disney, Time-Warner (until Comcast buys them), Viacom, etc. In the end, I'm not sure whether Comcast cares whether they get my money one way or the other. Does T-W care whether I buy a movie ticket at a theater or pay every month for HBO? And on and on.

Music production companies, music labels, artists, theaters (amc carmike), Comcast, time warner and all other companies like this in no way are the same nor do they share profits or all gain from the same source.

They are all their own beast and are fighting for their lives to keep your attention.

Small example: millions pay for comcast and illegally download the hot new cd distributed by sony records = comcast wins and sony loses.

Or crouching tiger sequel being released on Netflix = loss of business for amc theaters.

It goes on and on like so.